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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Aug 11, 2023 7:32:57 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 11, 2023 7:35:04 GMT -8
Smort
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 11, 2023 8:24:35 GMT -8
Canzano,s substack today is a good read on how events unfolded. Or a s%#tty one.
It's hard to comprehend the Pac 12 is no more. Lots of blame to go around. Right now lots of finger pointing, particularly at Kliackoff (deservedly so). Will be interesting to hear his version of events.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 11, 2023 8:38:43 GMT -8
Also, Whoregon and the fuskies bombed the apple deal, which was a better deal than what it's been made out to be.
I don't think they had any intention of staying. They are all about this monstrosity of college football.......and the B1G is loading up for bear(SEC)......I hope it all just f%#*ing falls apart
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Post by korculabeav on Aug 11, 2023 10:02:41 GMT -8
Now can we fire Kliavkoff? The conference fell apart on his watch. And he allowed a reasonable deal to die a year ago with ESPN. Time to send him packing (his role dies likely next year anywaym, let's fire him on our terms).
And as for Hole and UW killing the Apple deal, the Apple was garbage and unrealistic in its makeup. That deal was going to die regardless of whether UW and Hole showed up to that early Friday phone call or not.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 11, 2023 10:10:52 GMT -8
Now can we fire Kliavkoff? The conference fell apart on his watch. And he allowed a reasonable deal to die a year ago with ESPN. Time to send him packing (his role dies likely next year anywaym, let's fire him on our terms). And as for Hole and UW killing the Apple deal, the Apple was garbage and unrealistic in its makeup. That deal was going to die regardless of whether UW and Hole showed up to that early Friday phone call or not. Catch up dude... George is a "presenter", he has no vote! I'm betting (if I were to) that the same schools that left early and vetoed the Apple deal are the ones thinking they are worth $50 mil and were the Presidents that voted down the ESPN deal.
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 11, 2023 10:19:32 GMT -8
Now can we fire Kliavkoff? The conference fell apart on his watch. And he allowed a reasonable deal to die a year ago with ESPN. Time to send him packing (his role dies likely next year anywaym, let's fire him on our terms). And as for Hole and UW killing the Apple deal, the Apple was garbage and unrealistic in its makeup. That deal was going to die regardless of whether UW and Hole showed up to that early Friday phone call or not. Catch up dude... George is a "presenter", he has no vote! I'm betting (if I were to) that the same schools that left early and vetoed the Apple deal are the ones thinking they are worth $50 mil and were the Presidents that voted down the ESPN deal. Yeah, I’m sure there’s some blame to put on Kliavkoff, but he got a deal with ESPN and presented it to his bosses. They’re the ones that turned it down because they wanted more. Maybe he should have gotten a little better deal or presented it better, but I’m not sure why some think this is all on Kliavkoff.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 11, 2023 10:34:23 GMT -8
Canzano,s substack today is a good read on how events unfolded. Or a s%#tty one. It's hard to comprehend the Pac 12 is no more. Lots of blame to go around. Right now lots of finger pointing, particularly at Kliackoff (deservedly so). Will be interesting to hear his version of events. The more I learn, the more I think this has been in the works for some time....maybe started with USC torpedoing conference expansion.....also, Texas and Okie going to SEC.....that lit a fire under the B1G. The Pac 12, and west coast in general just wasn't prepared to take on this monster of "college football means EVERYTHING".....That's the mentality of SEC/B1G elite......other than hole with uncle Phil, USC I guess, where do you see that rabid, climb the bodies to the top mentality out here?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 11, 2023 10:55:13 GMT -8
Canzano,s substack today is a good read on how events unfolded. Or a s%#tty one. It's hard to comprehend the Pac 12 is no more. Lots of blame to go around. Right now lots of finger pointing, particularly at Kliackoff (deservedly so). Will be interesting to hear his version of events. The more I learn, the more I think this has been in the works for some time....maybe started with USC torpedoing conference expansion.....also, Texas and Okie going to SEC.....that lit a fire under the B1G. The Pac 12, and west coast in general just wasn't prepared to take on this monster of "college football means EVERYTHING".....That's the mentality of SEC/B1G elite......other than hole with uncle Phil, USC I guess, where do you see that rabid, climb the bodies to the top mentality out here? At the end of the day Fox and ESPN are the ultimate culprits
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Post by seastape on Aug 11, 2023 10:55:20 GMT -8
I'm not sure we'll ever know the truth as to whether Kliavkoff presented the deal and the presidents rejected it or Kliavkoff presented the deal and added, "but I think/know we can get more."
I don't know if the $30 million deal from ESPN was true; some media sources at the time said that ESPN had low-balled the Pca 12 to the tune of $20-$25 million/year.
I don't know if we'll ever know if Kliavkoff lied to the presidents. It's very easier to blame the other guy when a deal falls apart and a huge loss is suffered and Canzano is citing his sources as Pac 12 insiders.
I do know that some of Canzano's sources, especially the ones who (according to Canzano) told him that it would be a "slam dunk" that the Pac 12 would beat the Big 12 deal, were wrong. Dead wrong.
The record as it stands right now looks like the sources outside of Wilner and Canzano appear to have had a firmer grasp on reality for the situation than those two. This is especially true on the matter that at least a few Pac 12 presidents would balk at a heavily streaming-laden deal. The President of UA said that publicly several times.
We will likely never know the full truth. And we will likely never know the truth of the past decisions as well. Did conference presidents reject BYU for years? Did they reject expansion from Big 12 teams, including Texas and Oklahoma, in the early 2010s? Did they reject expansion from Big 12 teams when Texas and Oklahoma bolted to the SEC? Did they support Larry Scott even when his plan was falling apart?
Did the Big 12 use a PR company to, amongst other things, attack the Pac 12 in the last year? Did Fox and/or ESPN try to sabotage the Pac 12 to increase bargaining power for their networks?
Too many questions for which we'll likely never have complete answers. But for the demise of the Pac 12, I think there's plenty of blame to go around.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 11, 2023 11:22:58 GMT -8
Yes, a lot of blame in various places. I'd add pac-12 university presidents from big10 schools. The thought of taking "their" university back home is appealing. And then they don't consider the human cost of all the non-football athletes. No consideration of their fan bases.
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Post by beavaristotle on Aug 11, 2023 11:23:23 GMT -8
Part of the problem is that these deals are presented to the school presidents. It seems as if the deals should be presented to athletic directors and they would in turn lay it out for each school’s administrators. I’m sure there are presidents who have little interest in athletics and other who have very little knowledge. While they would have the final word, a better understanding of the landscape would help them make rational decisions
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 11, 2023 11:36:39 GMT -8
Catch up dude... George is a "presenter", he has no vote! I'm betting (if I were to) that the same schools that left early and vetoed the Apple deal are the ones thinking they are worth $50 mil and were the Presidents that voted down the ESPN deal. Yeah, I’m sure there’s some blame to put on Kliavkoff, but he got a deal with ESPN and presented it to his bosses. They’re the ones that turned it down because they wanted more. Maybe he should have gotten a little better deal or presented it better, but I’m not sure why some think this is all on Kliavkoff. Hey, if you leave the dog with a full dish of food and leave for 12-15 hours and there's a crap on the floor when you return, it's the dog's fault. That's just how things work. Fire Kliavkoff and the dog.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 11, 2023 11:38:30 GMT -8
Part of the problem is that these deals are presented to the school presidents. It seems as if the deals should be presented to athletic directors and they would in turn lay it out for each school’s administrators. I’m sure there are presidents who have little interest in athletics and other who have very little knowledge. While they would have the final word, a better understanding of the landscape would help them make rational decisions George K was essentially a CEO - his leadership is what is relied upon. Reducing him to a messenger boy bringing it to the schools and flopping it out on the table for the presidents to make their choice is an intellectually limited view of how these things go down. Kliavkoff was there to bring the deal and then explain why it was a good deal and to get it done, that failure is on him.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 11, 2023 11:38:46 GMT -8
The more I learn, the more I think this has been in the works for some time....maybe started with USC torpedoing conference expansion.....also, Texas and Okie going to SEC.....that lit a fire under the B1G. The Pac 12, and west coast in general just wasn't prepared to take on this monster of "college football means EVERYTHING".....That's the mentality of SEC/B1G elite......other than hole with uncle Phil, USC I guess, where do you see that rabid, climb the bodies to the top mentality out here? At the end of the day Fox and ESPN are the ultimate culprits Too bad the universities wouldn't stand together against these monsters.....instead they take the money and leave scorched earth behind.
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