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"I think real leaders show up when times are hard." Trent Bray 11/29/2023
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Post by ftd on Aug 9, 2023 10:40:47 GMT -8
Until all hope of going to the Big 12 is gone, that's what I'm pulling for. Particularly now that it looks as if that $420 million pot of gold is mostly a mirage. Joining the MWC will have a drastic financial effect on OSU sports. At some point, that will cause change that is not for the good. Favorite athletes will leave. Favorite sports may be cut. Coaches will bail. Those who want it to happen because it's easier to travel to Fresno State or Boise State and you think it will be fun for the Beavers to play in the MWC will probably get their wish in the long run. But if you think OSU is automatically going to dominate, you're in for a rude awakening. Make no mistake, this would be a step down for OSU. So yeah, I refuse to give in because we all still have a chance to wake from it. joining the MWC <> Merging with the MWC (they join the Pac 4) perhaps under a new name...or maybe still the Pac-n |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 10:50:34 GMT -8
Of course it would be a step down. Of course traveling to Seattle or Boulder or Tempe is nicer than going to Fresno or Boise. If course it will be a financial challenge and yes, some athletes and coaches probably will leave (they have more options).
No one wants it to happen "because it's easier to travel" someplace. No one wants it to happen, period.
But at some point you have to face reality. The Big Ten and the Big 12 don't want us. All the wishing and hoping and hand-wringing in the world isn't going to change that.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 10:54:50 GMT -8
There's no way we are going to the Big 12 either. If they wanted us, it would have already happened. Yes. Just wondering when everyone else here is going to wake up and smell the coffee. They can't cuz they are too busy making crap up... the demise of OSU and it's athletic programs, how athletes will never want to play for OSU in such lousy conferences, the amount of media contract $ that do not exist or OSU was never party to, etc. etc. etc. Maybe whomever brews their coffee could make it a bit stronger?! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 9, 2023 10:55:22 GMT -8
Of course it would be a step down. Of course traveling to Seattle or Boulder or Tempe is nicer than going to Fresno or Boise. If course it will be a financial challenge and yes, some athletes and coaches probably will leave (they have more options). No one wants it to happen "because it's easier to travel" someplace. No one wants it to happen, period. But at some point you have to face reality. The Big Ten and the Big 12 don't want us. All the wishing and hoping and hand-wringing in the world isn't going to change that. So, you're saying that we should just apply to the SEC? |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 9, 2023 10:58:11 GMT -8
Yes. Just wondering when everyone else here is going to wake up and smell the coffee. They can't cuz they are too busy making crap up... the demise of OSU and it's athletic programs, how athletes will never want to play for OSU in such lousy conferences, the amount of media contract $ that do not exist or OSU was never party to, etc. etc. etc. Maybe whomever brews their coffee could make it a bit stronger?! The worst (and best) thing about sports is it makes you care about crap you can't control. Go Beavs!! |
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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 11:01:44 GMT -8
Until all hope of going to the Big 12 is gone, that's what I'm pulling for. Particularly now that it looks as if that $420 million pot of gold is mostly a mirage. Joining the MWC will have a drastic financial effect on OSU sports. At some point, that will cause change that is not for the good. Favorite athletes will leave. Favorite sports may be cut. Coaches will bail. Those who want it to happen because it's easier to travel to Fresno State or Boise State and you think it will be fun for the Beavers to play in the MWC will probably get their wish in the long run. But if you think OSU is automatically going to dominate, you're in for a rude awakening. Make no mistake, this would be a step down for OSU. So yeah, I refuse to give in because we all still have a chance to wake from it. joining the MWC <> Merging with the MWC (they join the Pac 4) perhaps under a new name...or maybe still the Pac-n Yeah, I'm just not totally convinced this will happen, at least not the way some people are hoping for. I don't think there will be the Pac-4...I think it will be OSU and WSU as the last two standing. With the $34 million buyouts only going away if there's a vote that reaches a certain majority number, it seems unlikely that the MWC is going to vote to dissolve just to bring in OSU and WSU and become the Pac-MWC. One big issue is that the MWC's TV contract runs through 2025-26 and makes each team $4 million a year. It makes the Apple + offer seem amazing. So that would leave the two schools to become members of the MWC. There is no way Barnes is working to make this happen right now. He's working to get the Beavers into the Big-12 or any other option he can pursue. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 11:15:42 GMT -8
Of course it would be a step down. Of course traveling to Seattle or Boulder or Tempe is nicer than going to Fresno or Boise. If course it will be a financial challenge and yes, some athletes and coaches probably will leave (they have more options). No one wants it to happen "because it's easier to travel" someplace. No one wants it to happen, period. But at some point you have to face reality. The Big Ten and the Big 12 don't want us. All the wishing and hoping and hand-wringing in the world isn't going to change that. Also Henry Skrimshander: "It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones." I'm not saying you want it to happen, but it sure seems like you're trying to convince people that it's a good thing. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 11:41:09 GMT -8
Of course it would be a step down. Of course traveling to Seattle or Boulder or Tempe is nicer than going to Fresno or Boise. If course it will be a financial challenge and yes, some athletes and coaches probably will leave (they have more options). No one wants it to happen "because it's easier to travel" someplace. No one wants it to happen, period. But at some point you have to face reality. The Big Ten and the Big 12 don't want us. All the wishing and hoping and hand-wringing in the world isn't going to change that. Also Henry Skrimshander: "It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones." I'm not saying you want it to happen, but it sure seems like you're trying to convince people that it's a good thing. No, it's not a good thing, but it's the best remaining option. Big difference. I'm open to better, reasonable options that are actually possible. Sitting by the phone and twiddling your thumbs and clutching rosary beads waiting for the Big 12 to call isn't one of them. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 11:56:15 GMT -8
Furd is definitely not going to the MW. They are a unique situation.....probly the best AD, top, to bottom, in the country. Elite academic institution.....academic standards that hamper their recruiting.....that's the one sticking point......cuz the machine does not give a f%#* about academics!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 11:59:35 GMT -8
joining the MWC <> Merging with the MWC (they join the Pac 4) perhaps under a new name...or maybe still the Pac-n Yeah, I'm just not totally convinced this will happen, at least not the way some people are hoping for. I don't think there will be the Pac-4...I think it will be OSU and WSU as the last two standing. With the $34 million buyouts only going away if there's a vote that reaches a certain majority number, it seems unlikely that the MWC is going to vote to dissolve just to bring in OSU and WSU and become the Pac-MWC. One big issue is that the MWC's TV contract runs through 2025-26 and makes each team $4 million a year. It makes the Apple + offer seem amazing. So that would leave the two schools to become members of the MWC. There is no way Barnes is working to make this happen right now. He's working to get the Beavers into the Big-12 or any other option he can pursue. I think you are looking at this backwards. The MWC wouldn't be dissolving to bring in OSU and WSU, they could bring us in without dissolving. They would dissolve to join the Pac Whatever and get into a conference with a more prestigious brand name and join the deal the Pac 12 leadership negotiates, assuming it's a worthwhile deal, and make more money for their teams right away in 2024. Apple apparently bumped the Pac 9 offer up to 25 million a team plus huge bonuses for subscriptions of 1.7million or above. I'm not sure how it would have worked if the Pac 9 added teams. They basically offered 225 million+ total a year for the broadcast rights of 9 teams. Do that same 225 million+ total with an even 14 way split and it's 16 million a team minimum. From several sources, the MWC teams currently pull in 4 million a year each, I read somewhere that Boise gets a larger share so it might actually be less for the other schoos (not sure if the numbers that source used were accurate). That's all OSU would get in '24 and '25 if they joined the MWC. Every one of those teams would have a significant financial incentive to dissolve the conference and join the Pac next year, even if OSU and WSU took a larger share. It would be hoped that with more programming/games, Apple would bump that overall payout. I would think with nearly 40% of the country falling under the newly reformed conference's geographic physical footprint, they'd be able to meet subscription bonus levels for increased payouts. Remember, it's not just TVs, it's IPhones, Mac computers and Ipads. Potentially everyone in the world with an Apple digital device could suscribe. People worry about recruiting under an Apple deal? Every prospective player with an Apple device interested in playing a college sport in the west would be a potential subscriber. Barnes could be trying to get into a conference with a currently guaranteed bigger contract, but there's an entire league office scrambling to keep their jobs, I bet rebuilding the Pac is still on the table. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 12:00:19 GMT -8
Furd is definitely not going to the MW. They are a unique situation.....probly the best AD, top, to bottom, in the country. Elite academic institution.....academic standards that hamper their recruiting.....that's the one sticking point......cuz the machine does not give a f%#* about academics! If he's the best AD in the country then why is Stanford just twisting in the wind? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 9, 2023 12:08:06 GMT -8
I still can't figure out Apple. Do they want to get involved in college sports or not. It seems as though apple shot low but there was room for negotiation. Lots of room. Then some schools turned scared and ran away. Still think apple could and would renegotiate with the pac4 plus others and end up where apple stated with the pac9.
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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 12:13:15 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm just not totally convinced this will happen, at least not the way some people are hoping for. I don't think there will be the Pac-4...I think it will be OSU and WSU as the last two standing. With the $34 million buyouts only going away if there's a vote that reaches a certain majority number, it seems unlikely that the MWC is going to vote to dissolve just to bring in OSU and WSU and become the Pac-MWC. One big issue is that the MWC's TV contract runs through 2025-26 and makes each team $4 million a year. It makes the Apple + offer seem amazing. So that would leave the two schools to become members of the MWC. There is no way Barnes is working to make this happen right now. He's working to get the Beavers into the Big-12 or any other option he can pursue. I think you are looking at this backwards. The MWC wouldn't be dissolving to bring in OSU and WSU, they could bring us in without dissolving. They would dissolve to join the Pac Whatever and get into a conference with a more prestigious brand name and join the deal the Pac 12 leadership negotiates, assuming it's a worthwhile deal, and make more money for their teams right away in 2024. Apple apparently bumped the Pac 9 offer up to 25 million a team plus huge bonuses for subscriptions of 1.7million or above. I'm not sure how it would have worked if the Pac 9 added teams. They basically offered 225 million+ total a year for the broadcast rights of 9 teams. Do that same 225 million+ total with an even 14 way split and it's 16 million a team minimum. From several sources, the MWC teams currently pull in 4 million a year each, I read somewhere that Boise gets a larger share so it might actually be less for the other schoos (not sure if the numbers that source used were accurate). That's all OSU would get in '24 and '25 if they joined the MWC. Every one of those teams would have a significant financial incentive to dissolve the conference and join the Pac next year, even if OSU and WSU took a larger share. It would be hoped that with more programming/games, Apple would bump that overall payout. I would think with nearly 40% of the country falling under the newly reformed conference's geographic physical footprint, they'd be able to meet subscription bonus levels for increased payouts. Remember, it's not just TVs, it's IPhones. Potentially everyone in the world with an IPhone could suscribe. People worry about recruiting under an Apple deal? Every prospective player with an IPhone interested in playing a college sport in the west would be a potential subscriber. Barnes could be trying to get into a conference with a currently guaranteed bigger contract, but there's an entire league office scrambling to keep their jobs, I bet rebuilding the Pac is still on the table. It's extremely unlikely that a MWC with OSU and WSU is going to be able to land a TV contract even remotely close to those numbers. That's just the reality of the situation. Maybe if Stanford and Cal stay, then something could be worked out. But that's very unlikely, especially in Stanford's case. I think there's several options still on the table. That doesn't mean Barnes is spending most of his energy trying to make those work right now. Certainly he will move his focus if necessary. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 12:22:40 GMT -8
I still can't figure out Apple. Do they want to get involved in college sports or not. It seems as though apple shot low but there was room for negotiation. Lots of room. Then some schools turned scared and ran away. Still think apple could and would renegotiate with the pac4 plus others and end up where apple stated with the pac9. Gotta wonder if it was not a take it or leave it offer, and they expected more negotiations down the road rather than several teams flat out leaving the league the next day? |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 9, 2023 12:24:34 GMT -8
I still can't figure out Apple. Do they want to get involved in college sports or not. It seems as though apple shot low but there was room for negotiation. Lots of room. Then some schools turned scared and ran away. Still think apple could and would renegotiate with the pac4 plus others and end up where apple stated with the pac9. Someone posted some quotes from university presidents earlier. My take on it was that it sounded like a bunch of them felt like the last Pac-12 deal, that was supposed to be forward liking, burned the conference and didn’t feel comfortable signing onto another contract that felt similar in some ways. Can’t say I necessarily blame them, but it also seems like that’s why there was a three year exit clause and that worried some of them too. Hard to figure out what they were all thinking I guess. |
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