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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 9:53:13 GMT -8
There has been stories out there about the Big-12 bringing back their network since the news of Texas and Oklahoma leaving hit. How do I know that OSU and WSU would be the "owners" of the Pac-12 Network and its hardware, etc.? Not to mention the NCAA payouts that apparently total 420 million? I don't, nor have I claimed that I do. In fact, I've questioned it in a few posts. Nobody has clear-cut confirmation that it's true. If true, the Big-12 could make a deal with the remaining team or teams (right now there are four). A merger with the Pac-12 (when it was still mostly together) probably could have done it but not just simply adding teams. The idea most likely would be just adding two more teams, making 18 total, which fits within their general parameters from what I've read. With the addition of UA, ASU, Utah and Colorado the Big 12 will have 18 schools next season. Adding two would get them to 20. That's not gonna happen. Especially two West Coast schools, which would totally screw up the proposed divisional plans and thus force two more Western schools into the same division as Central Florida, Cincinnati and West Virginia. (Proposed): East: Kansas State, KU, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston and West Virginia. West: Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Arizona and Arizona State. Yeah, I meant to say 20...just got 18 in my head. From what I've read, 20 is still within their parameters and still a possibility. Again, it MIGHT not happen. Or it PROBABLY won't happen. But it could. And now Canzano is saying that the big payout isn't a thing. That it might be more than 1/12 for the leftover teams, but not a lot more. He could be wrong (he hasn't had the best track record during this whole mess) but if he is... |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 11:46:54 GMT -8
So why does anyone want Cal? I mean it has to be solely on their location, right? This has zero to do with academics, and they suck at sports in general......lots of debt....so it's just TV market I guess? What am I missing?
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 12:01:46 GMT -8
So why does anyone want Cal? I mean it has to be solely on their location, right? This has zero to do with academics, and they suck at sports in general......lots of debt....so it's just TV market I guess? What am I missing? Your guess is right... Furd & Cal do not draw a huge # of eyes, but have the potential to. In this crazy media fiasco only one type of ranking matters... TV ratings and the potential for those rating to increase. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 11, 2023 0:18:45 GMT -8
With the addition of UA, ASU, Utah and Colorado the Big 12 will have 18 schools next season. Adding two would get them to 20. That's not gonna happen. Especially two West Coast schools, which would totally screw up the proposed divisional plans and thus force two more Western schools into the same division as Central Florida, Cincinnati and West Virginia. (Proposed): East: Kansas State, KU, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston and West Virginia. West: Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Arizona and Arizona State. Yeah, I meant to say 20...just got 18 in my head. From what I've read, 20 is still within their parameters and still a possibility. Again, it MIGHT not happen. Or it PROBABLY won't happen. But it could. And now Canzano is saying that the big payout isn't a thing. That it might be more than 1/12 for the leftover teams, but not a lot more. He could be wrong (he hasn't had the best track record during this whole mess) but if he is... Actually, no, I was right the first time. You had me doubting my math. It will be 18 if they add two more teams. They will gain the four Pac-12 schools but lose Texas and Oklahoma...that's 16. I do recall reading somewhere that as many as 20 was possible...but that doesn't seem as likely now |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 11, 2023 6:46:12 GMT -8
Yeah, I meant to say 20...just got 18 in my head. From what I've read, 20 is still within their parameters and still a possibility. Again, it MIGHT not happen. Or it PROBABLY won't happen. But it could. And now Canzano is saying that the big payout isn't a thing. That it might be more than 1/12 for the leftover teams, but not a lot more. He could be wrong (he hasn't had the best track record during this whole mess) but if he is... Actually, no, I was right the first time. You had me doubting my math. It will be 18 if they add two more teams. They will gain the four Pac-12 schools but lose Texas and Oklahoma...that's 16. I do recall reading somewhere that as many as 20 was possible...but that doesn't seem as likely now Yes, you are right. I went to the Big 12 website and counted 14 teams forgetting that Texas and Oklahoma are bailing. My apologies, sir. 18 teams is still too big, even if you divide into divisions. Why the heck join a conference if you're not even going to play half of them? |
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Post by seastape on Aug 11, 2023 7:11:05 GMT -8
Actually, no, I was right the first time. You had me doubting my math. It will be 18 if they add two more teams. They will gain the four Pac-12 schools but lose Texas and Oklahoma...that's 16. I do recall reading somewhere that as many as 20 was possible...but that doesn't seem as likely now Yes, you are right. I went to the Big 12 website and counted 14 teams forgetting that Texas and Oklahoma are bailing. My apologies, sir. 18 teams is still too big, even if you divide into divisions. Why the heck join a conference if you're not even going to play half of them? A "conference" with that many teams seems more like a league than a conference. If you play all the teams in your division that leaves you with only one team to play in the other division in a 9-game conference schedule. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 11, 2023 9:11:33 GMT -8
Actually, no, I was right the first time. You had me doubting my math. It will be 18 if they add two more teams. They will gain the four Pac-12 schools but lose Texas and Oklahoma...that's 16. I do recall reading somewhere that as many as 20 was possible...but that doesn't seem as likely now Yes, you are right. I went to the Big 12 website and counted 14 teams forgetting that Texas and Oklahoma are bailing. My apologies, sir. 18 teams is still too big, even if you divide into divisions. Why the heck join a conference if you're not even going to play half of them? Maybe for economic survival? Frankly, I can't think of any other reason in today's football world. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 11, 2023 9:52:32 GMT -8
Yes, you are right. I went to the Big 12 website and counted 14 teams forgetting that Texas and Oklahoma are bailing. My apologies, sir. 18 teams is still too big, even if you divide into divisions. Why the heck join a conference if you're not even going to play half of them? Maybe for economic survival? Frankly, I can't think of any other reason in today's football world. Except they were getting the same money per school without the four Pac-12 teams. The Big 12 would have been fine. Fox pushed this. It's about power and Fox wanting to put the Pac-12 out of business to (it thinks) make its Big Ten and Big 12 contracts more valuable. |
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Post by thomasg86 on Aug 11, 2023 10:53:09 GMT -8
Actually, no, I was right the first time. You had me doubting my math. It will be 18 if they add two more teams. They will gain the four Pac-12 schools but lose Texas and Oklahoma...that's 16. I do recall reading somewhere that as many as 20 was possible...but that doesn't seem as likely now Yes, you are right. I went to the Big 12 website and counted 14 teams forgetting that Texas and Oklahoma are bailing. My apologies, sir. 18 teams is still too big, even if you divide into divisions. Why the heck join a conference if you're not even going to play half of them? I dunno, ask Oregon & Washington. I don't understand this argument. These conferences at all going to 20-24 once this is all over the ACC blows up. The 10 or 12 team conference is a relic of the past. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 11, 2023 13:22:42 GMT -8
We will see. The 16-team WAC didn't last very long because it was unwieldly, a logistical nightmare, and teams that had played each other for decades didn't like the fact that they no longer played each other on a regular basis.
Bigger is not always better. Let's see how much longer USC, Ohio State and Michigan, who will drive the TV and streaming numbers in the Big 10, will continue to accept the same amount of media rights fees as Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Maryland and Rutgers? More members, more infighting, more jealousy.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 11, 2023 13:44:08 GMT -8
Maybe for economic survival? Frankly, I can't think of any other reason in today's football world. Except they were getting the same money per school without the four Pac-12 teams. The Big 12 would have been fine. Fox pushed this. It's about power and Fox wanting to put the Pac-12 out of business to (it thinks) make its Big Ten and Big 12 contracts more valuable. Also gotta wonder if Fox wanted to keep Apple from getting into football. IF Apple were to get into it and open up the true capabilities of digital interaction, it could potentially unleash a monster the legacy sports media is in no hurry to adopt. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 11, 2023 14:20:42 GMT -8
Except they were getting the same money per school without the four Pac-12 teams. The Big 12 would have been fine. Fox pushed this. It's about power and Fox wanting to put the Pac-12 out of business to (it thinks) make its Big Ten and Big 12 contracts more valuable. Also gotta wonder if Fox wanted to keep Apple from getting into football. IF Apple were to get into it and open up the true capabilities of digital interaction, it could potentially unleash a monster the legacy sports media is in no hurry to adopt. So Apple can get into it in our new conference, and probably "risk" much less capital on the startup. And buy the Pac-12 Network lock, stock and barrel so it would have traditional cable and streaming capability. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 11, 2023 14:39:46 GMT -8
We will see. The 16-team WAC didn't last very long because it was unwieldly, a logistical nightmare, and teams that had played each other for decades didn't like the fact that they no longer played each other on a regular basis. Bigger is not always better. Let's see how much longer USC, Ohio State and Michigan, who will drive the TV and streaming numbers in the Big 10, will continue to accept the same amount of media rights fees as Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Maryland and Rutgers? More members, more infighting, more jealousy. Well I'm sure the strongest members (football) will eventually boot the weaker schools out. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 11, 2023 14:42:24 GMT -8
Also gotta wonder if Fox wanted to keep Apple from getting into football. IF Apple were to get into it and open up the true capabilities of digital interaction, it could potentially unleash a monster the legacy sports media is in no hurry to adopt. So Apple can get into it in our new conference, and probably "risk" much less capital on the startup. And buy the Pac-12 Network lock, stock and barrel so it would have traditional cable and streaming capability. Worse things could happen. |
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