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Post by richard44 on Aug 6, 2023 6:12:05 GMT -8
As a lifelong Beaver fan, this realignment stuff has been a gut punch to say the least. I have thought a lot about the impacts it may have on our program, and the ability to retain coaches and to continue to recruit in a competitive way. With all that being said, I do think realignment has less overall impact on baseball than it does with basketball and football. I’m not saying it has no impact, but I think less impact for sure.
In baseball, if we are relegated to the MWC, or have to merge in some way with the MWC, we can still remain a perennial baseball power. First of all, baseball is the one sport where smaller, lesser brand schools beat big brand schools every year. You rarely ever see an unranked team beat a top team in football, especially a top 2-3 team (that basically never happens to a top 3 team). In baseball, it happens every year. You have perennial playoff teams/really solid baseball schools like DBU, GCU, LBCU, Santa Barbara, Coastal Carolina, Cal State Fullerton, UCI, East Carolina, etc. competing at very high levels in baseball year in and year out, and they have no where near the program, history, and prestige that OSU has. In addition, our coaching staff is home grown, and its strength is in recruiting. Since having Canham, Barney, Dorman we have consistent top 25 recruiting classes, including a top 10 class in 2025.
I do believe our baseball program could survive realignment/relegation given the strength of the program. Unlike football and basketball, our baseball program is a top three program over the last 20 years. I don’t see that changing drastically, even with changes. We can schedule tough non conference tournaments early in the year to help our RPI, so I’m not worried about that. In addition, I could see us being downright dominant in our new conference leading to continued postseason play year in and year out.
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Post by orangeblood on Aug 6, 2023 6:51:46 GMT -8
Trying to see the plus side:
College sports are out of control! Perhaps this is an opportunity for OSU to return to a semblance of what college sports used to be (and should be, in my opinion). A simpler, more regional approach.
OSU is not going to compete for the National Championship in football or basketball, except once in a generation/lifetime. Neither are the ducks. It is unrealistic to gear your entire program's existence and judge one's success around that goal.
To dominate or be near the top in a MWC/PAC4 in nearly every sport sounds attractive. Not everything has to be national. Regional dominance and then a shot at advancing EACH year could be a lot of fun. How about being the team that every other team in the league envies?
Agree with the above post - no reason baseball cannot continue to be a top national power.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 6, 2023 6:58:52 GMT -8
Trying to see the plus side: College sports are out of control! Perhaps this is an opportunity for OSU to return to a semblance of what college sports used to be (and should be, in my opinion). A simpler, more regional approach. OSU is not going to compete for the National Championship in football or basketball, except once in a generation/lifetime. Neither are the ducks. It is unrealistic to gear your entire program's existence and judge one's success around that goal. To dominate or be near the top in a MWC/PAC4 in nearly every sport sounds attractive. Not everything has to be national. Regional dominance and then a shot at advancing EACH year could be a lot of fun. How about being the team that every other team in the league envies? Agree with the above post - no reason baseball cannot continue to be a top national power. Wooowaahhhh Nelly!!! Are you saying we can enjoy outcomes besides winner takes all?!?! Joking aside I agree. Your team winning is a lot of fun, alot more of our teams ar going to win more. |
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Post by cake on Aug 6, 2023 12:12:01 GMT -8
We'll be fine, but the non conference would have to be murderers row. The RPI in the Mountain West is horrible.
But the team itself is going to continue being fantastic.
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Post by oldbeav on Aug 6, 2023 14:58:14 GMT -8
Talked with the parents of an incoming freshman, who moved to Corvallis this weekend. He could have made a 5-figure NIL at another school but came here for the coaches & the school. His parents love Mitch and his philosophy about baseball and helping to make good human beings. Dad feels this class will be fine but wonders about future classes and how many will leave. Hope OSU’s future gets figured out quickly.
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Post by easyheat on Aug 6, 2023 18:11:07 GMT -8
Oregon State's baseball future will be more about allocation of funds than it will be from any conference affiliation. Losing $30m/yr from media revenue for a smaller amount will have Athletic Department budget implications. Budget cuts will be inevitable.
The Beaver program is solid top to bottom and will survive but not necessarily at the level that is currently enjoyed. Programs run on money - number of coaches, coaching salaries, recruiting, equipment, facilities maintenance, and general operating expenses are all dependent on funding. If the program is starved for dollars, the consequences will show up in the on-field results.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 6, 2023 18:17:23 GMT -8
Oregon State's baseball future will be more about allocation of funds than it will be from any conference affiliation. Losing $30m/yr from media revenue for a smaller amount will have Athletic Department budget implications. Budget cuts will be inevitable. The Beaver program is solid top to bottom and will survive but not necessarily at the level that is currently enjoyed. Programs run on money - number of coaches, coaching salaries, recruiting, equipment, facilities maintenance, and general operating expenses are all dependent on funding. If the program is starved for dollars, the consequences will show up in the on-field results. So, you think we had $30 million per year currently?…..nope. We won 3 titles with nothing close to that. |
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Post by cake on Aug 6, 2023 19:10:37 GMT -8
Oregon State's baseball future will be more about allocation of funds than it will be from any conference affiliation. Losing $30m/yr from media revenue for a smaller amount will have Athletic Department budget implications. Budget cuts will be inevitable. The Beaver program is solid top to bottom and will survive but not necessarily at the level that is currently enjoyed. Programs run on money - number of coaches, coaching salaries, recruiting, equipment, facilities maintenance, and general operating expenses are all dependent on funding. If the program is starved for dollars, the consequences will show up in the on-field results. So, you think we had $30 million per year currently?…..nope. We won 3 titles with nothing close to that. did the Pac not distribute the 30 million they said they did to the athletic department as a whole? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 6, 2023 19:34:10 GMT -8
Oregon State's baseball future will be more about allocation of funds than it will be from any conference affiliation. Losing $30m/yr from media revenue for a smaller amount will have Athletic Department budget implications. Budget cuts will be inevitable. The Beaver program is solid top to bottom and will survive but not necessarily at the level that is currently enjoyed. Programs run on money - number of coaches, coaching salaries, recruiting, equipment, facilities maintenance, and general operating expenses are all dependent on funding. If the program is starved for dollars, the consequences will show up in the on-field results. So, you think we had $30 million per year currently?…..nope. We won 3 titles with nothing close to that. As per usual you're missing the point judge. The bottom line is there will less money for baseball. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 6, 2023 20:28:15 GMT -8
A few thoughts:
Baseball is a sport where 64 teams make the tournament, and, once you're in, just win and you go to Omaha. A lesser RPI might mean you don't get home field in the early rounds, and that sucks, but there's no home field advantage in Omaha anyway. As pointed out above, plenty of teams from non-P5 conferences have had great success (although none of them have won 3 national championships).
How OSU distributes its available funds is up to Scott Barnes, but I don't envision him torpedoing the one sport that has a shot at a national championship every year. I also think that the baseball fan base is extensive and very committed. I can easily visualize a very viable NIL program being set up strictly for baseball in 2024 to keep current players here and top recruits coming in. And I can envision the faithful ponying up a few more bucks per ticket if need be to keep Mitch and the others around.
Baseball is going to be OK.
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Post by easyheat on Aug 6, 2023 22:35:06 GMT -8
Scott Barnes is not going to torpedo his baseball program, in fact just the opposite, he will make every effort to keep it healthy as he should.
Scott Barnes unfortunately is faced with the loss of $30m for his Athletic Department. Whatever revenue sources he can marshall up in 2024-2025 will determine the shortfall. There will be cuts, probably across the board.
If your PAC-12 money is going away a year from now, you are focused on two things. New revenue (maybe with a conference affiliation), and austerity within your department.
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Post by 56chevy on Aug 7, 2023 3:56:37 GMT -8
Scott Barnes is not going to torpedo his baseball program, in fact just the opposite, he will make every effort to keep it healthy as he should. Scott Barnes unfortunately is faced with the loss of $30m for his Athletic Department. Whatever revenue sources he can marshall up in 2024-2025 will determine the shortfall. There will be cuts, probably across the board. If your PAC-12 money is going away a year from now, you are focused on two things. New revenue (maybe with a conference affiliation), and austerity within your department. The solution here to financial woes is easy. The higher ed allocation in the state budget is one billion dollars. Whatever financial consequence we suffer, just deduct it from the Duck allocation and give it to our athletic department. The politics on this issue by nature work pretty good for us, then throw in the equity issue and it might just happen. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 7, 2023 15:55:56 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in FY 2021-22.
Oregon State baseball is going to be fine, as long as they are making the Tournament 80-85% of the time. Short of that, things get problematic very quickly.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 7, 2023 16:17:52 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in FY 2021-22. Oregon State baseball is going to be fine, as long as they are making the Tournament 80-85% of the time. Short of that, things get problematic very quickly. But, they still don’t make money and need to be subsidized. I think they will be OK, but there will be a trickle down effect if there’s less $$. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Aug 7, 2023 18:21:45 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in FY 2021-22. Oregon State baseball is going to be fine, as long as they are making the Tournament 80-85% of the time. Short of that, things get problematic very quickly. But, they still don’t make money and need to be subsidized. I think they will be OK, but there will be a trickle down effect if there’s less $$. Then we need to "find the money" because the baseball program has been too successful to let wither on a vine. |
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