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Post by TheGlove on Aug 4, 2023 21:12:38 GMT -8
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Post by messi on Aug 4, 2023 23:59:32 GMT -8
I want Barnes to come out and say, "If Oregon and Washington believe we'll schedule non-conference games with them, they can kiss my ass."
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 5, 2023 5:21:43 GMT -8
He is furious. I am a little irked. He should have been exploring backup plans. Yes, oregon and washington stabbed everyone in the back, but he should have anticipated what could happen. Regardless of the fact he thought a deal was going to happen. There had been rumblings before that it could happen.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 5, 2023 5:37:51 GMT -8
It would be better if our AD and President were on the same page with regards to future competition with uo. President Murthy seems to be groveling to continue playing them, strange. Her statement:
Many of you are seeing the recent news that University of Oregon and University of Washington have announced their decisions that they will leave the Pac-12, making the conference’s futures less certain. This is a serious moment, and given the longstanding traditions among Pac-12 teams, we all feel the loss.
We believe the preservation of the Pac-12 is in the best interest of all member universities, student-athletes and fans. Oregon State University also continues to explore options separate from those of the conference. We have been working vigorously behind the scenes to secure the best opportunity going forward. I will share more information with the university community as it becomes available.
Today, let us remember that Oregon State University’s renowned athletics program has proven to be resilient over many years. We have rallied through difficult times, supported by the faith and enthusiasm of fans and also by the tremendous strength of our university and important rivalries here on the West Coast. In Oregon certainly, our more than 129-year history competing with and supporting one another in both athletics and academics will continue even as we move through change.”
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 5, 2023 5:46:38 GMT -8
Utah, ASU, and Arizona had contingency plans. Although Arizona was already gone before things crashed and burned.
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Post by orangethunder on Aug 5, 2023 5:51:00 GMT -8
I think those who were in charge and failed the conference should be fired and new blood be sought out. New blood who can reenergize what is left of the conference, bring it back to life and work his or her ass off every day to make it relevant again and a competitor with the bigger conferences . In short, do what Barnes and the other dude failed to
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 5, 2023 6:02:31 GMT -8
The article:
I’m furious.”
Those two words summed up the feelings of Oregon State athletic director Scott Barnes, hours after Beavers’ athletics was shaken to its core when Oregon and Washington decided to bolt for the Big Ten Conference.
The move of those two programs left the Pac-12 in disarray. Later Friday, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah reportedly were headed to the Big 12, leaving the four remaining Pac-12 members to figure out what’s next. For Oregon State, is that a retooled Pac-12? Mountain West? Big 12? Something else?
Barnes declined to discuss Oregon State’s options. Barnes said he and key OSU staff members have been scenario planning for weeks, and “we will continue to pursue” remaining possibilities. Barnes disclosed that there are multiple options for OSU’s conference future.
Among the options unavailable to OSU is a conference that includes long-standing rivalries with Oregon and Washington. Or playing in the conference that stood for decades as best in the West.
Barnes didn’t hold back on his feelings toward Oregon and Washington leaving the conference for a lucrative deal with the Big Ten.
The great history and tradition of this conference has been severely damaged. The best interest of the student athlete hasn’t been served,” Barnes said. “Traveling to the Eastern seaboard multiple times a year is not in the best interest of student-athletes.
I’m furious because it puts this university in harm’s way and our student athletes in harm’s way. There’s some damage done that we’re going to have to mitigate.”
The past 24 hours have been turbulent. Thursday night it appeared Arizona was on the verge of leaving for the Big 12, and multiple schools held emergency board of regents meetings. No decisions emerged, then Friday morning word leaked that the Pac-12 might remain as a nine-team conference
We were literally hours away from a deal that everybody could embrace,” Barnes said.
At the 11th hour, the Big Ten reengaged and lured Oregon and Washington from the Pac-12.
Oregon State is Barnes’ fourth school as athletic director. This is the fifth conference realignment of his career, but like nothing he’s experienced.
I’ve never seen so many last-minute decision and twists and turns as I’ve seen through this process,” Barnes said. “Conference realignment just doesn’t make sense anymore. What this enterprise was built on was regionality and rivalries. That is gone. That is leaving the Pac-12. Some of the most special pieces about our model is regionality of competition and rivalries. Those things are forgotten.”
Oregon revealed in a press release that it would “prioritize competition across all sports with Oregon State.” Barnes wasn’t that certain.
To be determined,” he said.
As for a timetable on finding a new home, Barnes said “we will move expeditiously and work with others. Our intent is to work with the remaining Pac-12 members; it’s a strong option. We’ll look at other opportunities. The timing is something we want to pursue as soon as possible, but we have some time to get it right.”
Most options point to Oregon State having to work with a smaller budget. The athletic budget for the 2023-24 school year is $95 million. Barnes wouldn’t speculate on how OSU might tackle a smaller budget. The Mountain West, for example, has school budgets ranging from $39 million to $65 million.
Barnes said Oregon State coaching contracts are secure. The largest is football coach Jonathan Smith, who signed a six-year, $30.6 million contract in December. Men’s basketball coach Wayne Tinkle still has more than $10 million left on his deal.
Barnes said the debt service on Reser Stadium, which is wrapping up a $161 million remodel this summer, is not an issue.
Reser Stadium is actually a revenue generator. Not only do we cover the debt service, but we generate upwards of $4 to $5 million in additional dollars. Reser is a huge financial opportunity and is obviously counted on even more now,” Barnes said.
Barnes oversees an athletic department with 179 employees and some 600 athletes, many who will have questions. Barnes said the message will be to control what OSU can control.
We’ve got so much to sell,” Barnes said. “The reason we have coaches stay and less numbers of students-athletes leave is because this place is special. We’re gonna lean into that and remember that as we find a new path forward.”
Barnes is hopeful this saga ends soon.
The sooner we get back to football and who’s starting at quarterback and who we’re playing next is better, right?” Barnes said.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 6:21:24 GMT -8
Utah, ASU, and Arizona had contingency plans. Although Arizona was already gone before things crashed and burned. So did we. They do you no good if no one wants you. The Big 12 did not want OSU and WSU. Period. It, wasn't gonna happen. So going there when it all started to fall apart was NEVER an option.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 5, 2023 6:35:26 GMT -8
It would be better if our AD and President were on the same page with regards to future competition with uo. President Murthy seems to be groveling to continue playing them, strange. Her statement: Many of you are seeing the recent news that University of Oregon and University of Washington have announced their decisions that they will leave the Pac-12, making the conference’s futures less certain. This is a serious moment, and given the longstanding traditions among Pac-12 teams, we all feel the loss. We believe the preservation of the Pac-12 is in the best interest of all member universities, student-athletes and fans. Oregon State University also continues to explore options separate from those of the conference. We have been working vigorously behind the scenes to secure the best opportunity going forward. I will share more information with the university community as it becomes available. Today, let us remember that Oregon State University’s renowned athletics program has proven to be resilient over many years. We have rallied through difficult times, supported by the faith and enthusiasm of fans and also by the tremendous strength of our university and important rivalries here on the West Coast. In Oregon certainly, our more than 129-year history competing with and supporting one another in both athletics and academics will continue even as we move through change.” PR blather going back and forth. Small coincidence that both Oregon and UW, in their statements, made reference to preserving their competition with their in state rival. Truth is neither could care less but they wanted to try to deflect some of the criticism coming from journalists. At the same time its bad PR for Oregon State to state publically, at this time, that we will not play them again period. Makes it look like Oregon has extended the olive branch and that we are sore losers. Truth is, any sports fan knows what they have done will make it very difficult to compete with them going forward, possibly impossible, and that it is not in Oregon State's interest to get beat up regularly in a rivalry game. Barnes knows this. Isn't going to say it. "To be determined," is Barnes way of ducking the question while knowing full well the answer. I don't know how much Murtha knows about athletics but hopefully Barnes can fill her in on reality.
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Post by idaho on Aug 5, 2023 6:38:46 GMT -8
IMO, the best path from a competition stand point is to form a new conference with the last 4 Pac teams along with the top ACC, MW and WAC. It has to be the best of the remaining to band together to make a conference that has at least a little credibility.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 5, 2023 7:17:07 GMT -8
It would be better if our AD and President were on the same page with regards to future competition with uo. President Murthy seems to be groveling to continue playing them, strange. Her statement: Many of you are seeing the recent news that University of Oregon and University of Washington have announced their decisions that they will leave the Pac-12, making the conference’s futures less certain. This is a serious moment, and given the longstanding traditions among Pac-12 teams, we all feel the loss. We believe the preservation of the Pac-12 is in the best interest of all member universities, student-athletes and fans. Oregon State University also continues to explore options separate from those of the conference. We have been working vigorously behind the scenes to secure the best opportunity going forward. I will share more information with the university community as it becomes available. Today, let us remember that Oregon State University’s renowned athletics program has proven to be resilient over many years. We have rallied through difficult times, supported by the faith and enthusiasm of fans and also by the tremendous strength of our university and important rivalries here on the West Coast. In Oregon certainly, our more than 129-year history competing with and supporting one another in both athletics and academics will continue even as we move through change.” PR blather going back and forth. Small coincidence that both Oregon and UW, in their statements, made reference to preserving their competition with their in state rival. Truth is neither could care less but they wanted to try to deflect some of the criticism coming from journalists. At the same time its bad PR for Oregon State to state publically, at this time, that we will not play them again period. Makes it look like Oregon has extended the olive branch and that we are sore losers. Truth is, any sports fan knows what they have done will make it very difficult to compete with them going forward, possibly impossible, and that it is not in Oregon State's interest to get beat up regularly in a rivalry game. Barnes knows this. Isn't going to say it. "To be determined," is Barnes way of ducking the question while knowing full well the answer. I don't know how much Murtha knows about athletics but hopefully Barnes can fill her in on reality. I would offer to play them, but on our terms and our terms only. Something like, due to the financial competitive imbalance: 2 games in Reser for every one game at the landfill, and when we do play at the landfill we get paid $2million. Maybe then, maybe.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 5, 2023 8:04:19 GMT -8
I don't think Oregon really cares. They want to avoid looking like the villain in this and to do so all they have to say is they are willing to play us on the same terms that have always existed. Doubt they would do anything different just to preserve the game. They, and their fans, believe their primary rival is UW and have thought that for some time now.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 5, 2023 8:06:10 GMT -8
PR blather going back and forth. Small coincidence that both Oregon and UW, in their statements, made reference to preserving their competition with their in state rival. Truth is neither could care less but they wanted to try to deflect some of the criticism coming from journalists. At the same time its bad PR for Oregon State to state publically, at this time, that we will not play them again period. Makes it look like Oregon has extended the olive branch and that we are sore losers. Truth is, any sports fan knows what they have done will make it very difficult to compete with them going forward, possibly impossible, and that it is not in Oregon State's interest to get beat up regularly in a rivalry game. Barnes knows this. Isn't going to say it. "To be determined," is Barnes way of ducking the question while knowing full well the answer. I don't know how much Murtha knows about athletics but hopefully Barnes can fill her in on reality. I would offer to play them, but on our terms and our terms only. Something like, due to the financial competitive imbalance: 2 games in Reser for every one game at the landfill, and when we do play at the landfill we get paid $2million. Maybe then, maybe. Problem is, we need the game more than they do, you can only dictate terms if you have leverage, we don't have it. If we drop to the Moutain West playing Oregon in a non-conference game would likely be our biggest game, most watched and biggest money maker of the season. They are going to be playing the likes of UW, USC, UCLA, Ohio State or Michigan on a regular basis, why would they risk getting beat by a supposedly inferior opponent from an inferior conference.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 5, 2023 8:29:37 GMT -8
I would offer to play them, but on our terms and our terms only. Something like, due to the financial competitive imbalance: 2 games in Reser for every one game at the landfill, and when we do play at the landfill we get paid $2million. Maybe then, maybe. Problem is, we need the game more than they do, you can only dictate terms if you have leverage, we don't have it. If we drop to the Moutain West playing Oregon in a non-conference game would likely be our biggest game, most watched and biggest money maker of the season. They are going to be playing the likes of UW, USC, UCLA, Ohio State or Michigan on a regular basis, why would they risk getting beat by a supposedly inferior opponent from an inferior conference. Well that would certainly be their negotiating position. Then we tell them to pound sand, and release our own statement how we wanted to continue the series but uo would not negotiate in good faith. Pretty much what Oklahoma state did with oklahoma. Our leverage is them knowing we will tell them to F off, and that they will lose in the court of public opinion even after we tell them to F off.
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 5, 2023 10:04:36 GMT -8
Utah, ASU, and Arizona had contingency plans. Although Arizona was already gone before things crashed and burned. So did we. They do you no good if no one wants you. The Big 12 did not want OSU and WSU. Period. It, wasn't gonna happen. So going there when it all started to fall apart was NEVER an option. The only reason I posted about those teams having immediately went to the Big12 is that they had a plan if things went south. It appears the thought haven't even crossed Barnses' mind. Any plan at all. Big 12 probably wouldn't take them. By the way, did Barnses even inquire. It didn't look like it.
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