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Post by bvrbred on Aug 5, 2023 10:58:45 GMT -8
So did we. They do you no good if no one wants you. The Big 12 did not want OSU and WSU. Period. It, wasn't gonna happen. So going there when it all started to fall apart was NEVER an option. The only reason I posted about those teams having immediately went to the Big12 is that they had a plan if things went south. It appears the thought haven't even crossed Barnses' mind. Any plan at all. Big 12 probably wouldn't take them. By the way, did Barnses even inquire. It didn't look like it. In is Oregonian interview, Barnes refused to give specifics, but said he and key OSU staff members have been scenario planning for weeks, and “we will continue to pursue” remaining possibilities. Insofar as Big12 is probably the first door out, I find it hard to believe they spent weeks scenario planning without considering Big12. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 11:08:59 GMT -8
I had a plan once to marry Cindy Crawford. Guess what, she didn't want me, so all the planning in the world didn't amount to a hill of beans. Some light at the end of the tunnel: According to Canzano, OSU, WSU, Stanford and Cal still own the Pac-12 brand. As such, after the traitors leave on 7/1/2024, all future TV distribution monies, all NCAA men's basketball tournament distributions, all CFP distributions, etc., belong to the four remaining member schools. Canzano estimated that total at $420 million. Even 1/4 of that is a nice war chest. And I would be very surprised if WSU and OSU don't get about $5-10 million a year in Calimony, like UCLA has to pay Cal. Interesting and recommended reading. www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-mailbag-deals-with-pac-4s |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 5, 2023 11:43:05 GMT -8
I had a plan once to marry Cindy Crawford. Guess what, she didn't want me, so all the planning in the world didn't amount to a hill of beans. Some light at the end of the tunnel: According to Canzano, OSU, WSU, Stanford and Cal still own the Pac-12 brand. As such, after the traitors leave on 7/1/2024, all future TV distribution monies, all NCAA men's basketball tournament distributions, all CFP distributions, etc., belong to the four remaining member schools. Canzano estimated that total at $420 million. Even 1/4 of that is a nice war chest. And I would be very surprised if WSU and OSU don't get about $5-10 million a year in Calimony, like UCLA has to pay Cal. Interesting and recommended reading. www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-mailbag-deals-with-pac-4sPaywall |
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Post by sparty on Aug 5, 2023 11:51:51 GMT -8
I had a plan once to marry Cindy Crawford. Guess what, she didn't want me, so all the planning in the world didn't amount to a hill of beans. Some light at the end of the tunnel: According to Canzano, OSU, WSU, Stanford and Cal still own the Pac-12 brand. As such, after the traitors leave on 7/1/2024, all future TV distribution monies, all NCAA men's basketball tournament distributions, all CFP distributions, etc., belong to the four remaining member schools. Canzano estimated that total at $420 million. Even 1/4 of that is a nice war chest. And I would be very surprised if WSU and OSU don't get about $5-10 million a year in Calimony, like UCLA has to pay Cal. Interesting and recommended reading. www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-mailbag-deals-with-pac-4sPaywall Isn't own the pac-12 brand now is like owning Bud Light? |
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Post by fishwrapper on Aug 5, 2023 11:57:01 GMT -8
Barnes said:
Where is that $4 to $5 million in revenue for the stadium coming from? Renting space to OSU for the welcome center?
Serious question - where's the non-football revenue coming from?
Let's face it: revenue models that convinced people to make this project happen are out the window. You can't expect to sell out each game and get fans to pay premium prices...unless you have a premium product on the field. Maybe our team is that product, but the game ain't a premium product without premium competition. Sure, some of the names floated out there to rebuild the PAC to a bigger number than four will mean our wins will go up...but will those be premium games worthy of premium dollars - for butts in seats or TV coverage - to pay for that shiny new thing?
Expect to see a lot of bar and bat mitzvahs and quinzcenieras booked in Reser on non-football weekends, I guess...
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Post by beaverdan86 on Aug 5, 2023 12:01:35 GMT -8
The new premium seats are sold at an extremely premium price. Do we expect people will pay $5K for a parking spot and even more for premium seats to watch San Jose State, Air Force, or some other MWC team? This all starts imploding fast folks!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 13:49:39 GMT -8
Barnes said: Where is that $4 to $5 million in revenue for the stadium coming from? Renting space to OSU for the welcome center? Serious question - where's the non-football revenue coming from? Let's face it: revenue models that convinced people to make this project happen are out the window. You can't expect to sell out each game and get fans to pay premium prices...unless you have a premium product on the field. Maybe our team is that product, but the game ain't a premium product without premium competition. Sure, some of the names floated out there to rebuild the PAC to a bigger number than four will mean our wins will go up...but will those be premium games worthy of premium dollars - for butts in seats or TV coverage - to pay for that shiny new thing? Expect to see a lot of bar and bat mitzvahs and quinzcenieras booked in Reser on non-football weekends, I guess... Good Sam will pay at least $750k a year in rental for the Health Center. I don't know what admissions will pay for the welcome center. I'm sure Barnes didn't just make those numbers up. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 13:58:24 GMT -8
I had a plan once to marry Cindy Crawford. Guess what, she didn't want me, so all the planning in the world didn't amount to a hill of beans. Some light at the end of the tunnel: According to Canzano, OSU, WSU, Stanford and Cal still own the Pac-12 brand. As such, after the traitors leave on 7/1/2024, all future TV distribution monies, all NCAA men's basketball tournament distributions, all CFP distributions, etc., belong to the four remaining member schools. Canzano estimated that total at $420 million. Even 1/4 of that is a nice war chest. And I would be very surprised if WSU and OSU don't get about $5-10 million a year in Calimony, like UCLA has to pay Cal. Interesting and recommended reading. www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-mailbag-deals-with-pac-4sPaywall Onto the mailbag… Q: Any chance Oregon State considers being independent as Notre Dame is? — @rongann63
A: Notre Dame has its own television deal. There’s not a market for most other schools, including OSU, in that way. I spoke with Mountain West Conference sources and they sound receptive to taking all four of the remaining schools if it comes to that. Also, there’s some interesting benefits to the four remaining members sticking together and trying to rebuild the Pac-12 as a group by adding two more schools. The Pac-12, regardless of makeup, is still an “Autonomy 5” member. The Division I board would have to strip that status and it could be a bad look because of all the blood already on its hands from Friday’s carnage. The “A5” members get preferential College Football Playoff distributions. To strip that status, three of the four other conferences would have to hold a vote. Would the ACC, SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 do that to Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State? That’s the question. The ACC may hesitate given its own predicament and the SEC has appears to value the balance of five members. But that’s where we are today. Q: Based on the comments of Oregon State AD Scott Barnes the Pac-12 was within hours of a vote to stay together. Was Oregon or Washington the first domino? Any influence of Phil Knight to bolt? — @ftebb
A: I was told on Thursday morning that Oregon was the key. If the Ducks stayed in the Pac-12, the Huskies would stay. The seven other conference presidents and chancellors went to bed on Thursday night believing they were going to ratify the Grant of Rights on Friday morning and keep the conference together. Anyone who believes Oregon didn’t clear the decision with Phil Knight isn’t paying attention. That said, I think it’s fair to feel sorrow for the demise of the conference while simultaneously recognizing that Oregon simply acted in its best long-term interests. I wrote about that sorrow and the reality of that decision on Friday. The Ducks would have had to bet big on themselves in the Apple TV+ deal. There was a lot of discussion internally and I don’t think it was a no-brainer for UO. It heavily considered staying and being a dominant school in the Pac-12 vs. leaving. Because of the Big Ten’s offer and the 20-year view of things, Oregon obviously felt it was too risky. We’ll now get to see how it works out. Q: San Diego State was so patient waiting for what seemed to be a most likely invite. Do you envision SDSU teaming up with the remaining Pac-12 teams? What’s the next step? — @newsmanlou
A: I was in contact with both San Diego State and SMU on Friday morning during that fateful Pac-12 CEO Group meeting. Both schools were told to be on standby. One or both was going to be added via expansion. I still think that could happen, but both schools might be hesitant without solid financial guarantees. SDSU and any other MWC teams would come with a $34 million buyout if they were to join in time for the 2024 football season. There is a significant war chest available to the four remaining schools, however. A big chunk of media-rights distributions, payments and postseason distributions that were due to the Pac-12 in the next distribution could end up in the hands of the four remaining members. The estimated total: $420 million. Stanford, Oregon State, Cal and Washington State are entitled to use the funds to cover “additional costs and damages” caused by the departures of the others. They don’t get it all. But they get to benefit. Q: Will the “Calimony” rule apply to OSU or WSU? — @srconrad
A: UCLA is going to pay a tax to Cal. Legislators in Oregon and Washington are likely to get involved. I expect there could be some kind of payment for damages given that one public school in the state acted in a way that wasn’t in the best interest of the other public school. I think the Ducks and Huskies probably factored a potential payment into their decision. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Aug 5, 2023 14:53:28 GMT -8
Onto the mailbag… Q: Any chance Oregon State considers being independent as Notre Dame is? — @rongann63
A: Notre Dame has its own television deal. There’s not a market for most other schools, including OSU, in that way. I spoke with Mountain West Conference sources and they sound receptive to taking all four of the remaining schools if it comes to that. Also, there’s some interesting benefits to the four remaining members sticking together and trying to rebuild the Pac-12 as a group by adding two more schools. The Pac-12, regardless of makeup, is still an “Autonomy 5” member. The Division I board would have to strip that status and it could be a bad look because of all the blood already on its hands from Friday’s carnage. The “A5” members get preferential College Football Playoff distributions. To strip that status, three of the four other conferences would have to hold a vote. Would the ACC, SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 do that to Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State? That’s the question. The ACC may hesitate given its own predicament and the SEC has appears to value the balance of five members. But that’s where we are today. Q: Based on the comments of Oregon State AD Scott Barnes the Pac-12 was within hours of a vote to stay together. Was Oregon or Washington the first domino? Any influence of Phil Knight to bolt? — @ftebb
A: I was told on Thursday morning that Oregon was the key. If the Ducks stayed in the Pac-12, the Huskies would stay. The seven other conference presidents and chancellors went to bed on Thursday night believing they were going to ratify the Grant of Rights on Friday morning and keep the conference together. Anyone who believes Oregon didn’t clear the decision with Phil Knight isn’t paying attention. That said, I think it’s fair to feel sorrow for the demise of the conference while simultaneously recognizing that Oregon simply acted in its best long-term interests. I wrote about that sorrow and the reality of that decision on Friday. The Ducks would have had to bet big on themselves in the Apple TV+ deal. There was a lot of discussion internally and I don’t think it was a no-brainer for UO. It heavily considered staying and being a dominant school in the Pac-12 vs. leaving. Because of the Big Ten’s offer and the 20-year view of things, Oregon obviously felt it was too risky. We’ll now get to see how it works out. Q: San Diego State was so patient waiting for what seemed to be a most likely invite. Do you envision SDSU teaming up with the remaining Pac-12 teams? What’s the next step? — @newsmanlou
A: I was in contact with both San Diego State and SMU on Friday morning during that fateful Pac-12 CEO Group meeting. Both schools were told to be on standby. One or both was going to be added via expansion. I still think that could happen, but both schools might be hesitant without solid financial guarantees. SDSU and any other MWC teams would come with a $34 million buyout if they were to join in time for the 2024 football season. There is a significant war chest available to the four remaining schools, however. A big chunk of media-rights distributions, payments and postseason distributions that were due to the Pac-12 in the next distribution could end up in the hands of the four remaining members. The estimated total: $420 million. Stanford, Oregon State, Cal and Washington State are entitled to use the funds to cover “additional costs and damages” caused by the departures of the others. They don’t get it all. But they get to benefit. Q: Will the “Calimony” rule apply to OSU or WSU? — @srconrad
A: UCLA is going to pay a tax to Cal. Legislators in Oregon and Washington are likely to get involved. I expect there could be some kind of payment for damages given that one public school in the state acted in a way that wasn’t in the best interest of the other public school. I think the Ducks and Huskies probably factored a potential payment into their decision. Thanks! Good to read some sensible and not altogether bad news for a change this weekend |
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