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Post by sparty on Aug 3, 2023 21:01:25 GMT -8
If I understand it correctly the Mountain West Conference is set up with buyouts for any school that leaves. The Pac as it is set up has no buyouts or penalties at all for leaving.
The Mountain West would invite any remaining Pac schools into their conference because of these buyout clauses. Is that true? What could be interesting is would they rename the conference, buy the Pac name or leave it as the MWC? The Mountain West Conference offices are in Colorado Springs, btw. I think George K. would be gone and the pac offices would cease to exist if this all goes down.
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by bennysdentist on Aug 3, 2023 21:13:57 GMT -8
How about the PAC (whatever is left) and MWC negotiate to be a new PAC. Could this remain a P5 conf?
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Post by bennysdentist on Aug 3, 2023 21:15:14 GMT -8
Or…we could drop football and join the WCC. 😂
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 4, 2023 6:40:41 GMT -8
How about the PAC (whatever is left) and MWC negotiate to be a new PAC. Could this remain a P5 conf? Yeah. Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but if Cal/Stanford remain then the four former Pac-12 holdovers work a deal to merge with the MWC and rename themselves "PacWest" or something. The MWC media contract has something like a year to go. So the merged, newly named conference then negotiates its own deal to replace the existing Pac-12 and MWC deals. Might be the best way forward. Hinges on Cal and Stanford staying out of the Big10. |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 4, 2023 6:53:26 GMT -8
How about the PAC (whatever is left) and MWC negotiate to be a new PAC. Could this remain a P5 conf? Yeah. Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but if Cal/Stanford remain then the four former Pac-12 holdovers work a deal to merge with the MWC and rename themselves "PacWest" or something. The MWC media contract has something like a year to go. So the merged, newly named conference then negotiates its own deal to replace the existing Pac-12 and MWC deals. Might be the best way forward. Hinges on Cal and Stanford staying out of the Big10. Hey guys! Utah State fan here. It's been a while. I thought this would be an opportune moment to drop by. This is exactly what I have been predicting over on USUFans.com. I think it makes the most sense. Don't fold either conference, but do a formal merger. If the NCAA plays along, both conferences retain their NCAA tournament credits, and no MWC school pays the exit fees. Gloria Nevarez would be the conference commissioner, because she is an absolute beast, and sharp as a razor. Kliavkoff could be the assistant commissioner, because frankly, he doesn't deserve to be commissioner, and even that would be generous. The restructuring allows the other MWC schools to kill Boise State's sweetheart deal (they get an extra share of revenues, a deal that was cut to keep them out of the Big East years ago, and a constant thorn in the side of everyone else). Personally, as an Aggie living in Salem, I'm thrilled at the prospect of USU playing OSU regularly. Five of the MWC members are land grant schools, if you include affiliate member Hawaii. You and Wazzu would fit right in. Would you be making less money? Yes, but it also takes less money to compete in the MWC. Let me be the first to congratulate you on being a member of the Mountain Pacific Conference! Go AGGIES! |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 4, 2023 7:02:19 GMT -8
How about the PAC (whatever is left) and MWC negotiate to be a new PAC. Could this remain a P5 conf? Yeah. Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but if Cal/Stanford remain then the four former Pac-12 holdovers work a deal to merge with the MWC and rename themselves "PacWest" or something. The MWC media contract has something like a year to go. So the merged, newly named conference then negotiates its own deal to replace the existing Pac-12 and MWC deals. Might be the best way forward. Hinges on Cal and Stanford staying out of the Big10. Hmm...where did you see that? I've also heard that the remaining PAC members might just pull in some non-MWC members who either don't have a high buyout, or can afford the buyout, and then roll in some MWC members later. All the while trying to negotiate for some of the MWC money on top of their own contract when the MWC TV contract expires in 24-25? So much disparate information out there. And Cal/Stanford are not going to the B1G, at least not in this round. |
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Post by grumpybeaver on Aug 4, 2023 7:04:08 GMT -8
I just threw up in my mouth
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Post by alexm on Aug 4, 2023 14:03:50 GMT -8
If I'm OSU, Wazzu, and the bay area schools, I try to convince 6 MWC teams to leave in 24/25, as that type of conference probably has a better shot of getting more TV money than just adding the 4 former Pac schools to the MWC. Would require riding out a couple of rough years as independents but something like OSU, Wazzu, Cal, Stanford, Fresno State , Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, Colorado State, and San Diego State is probably more lucrative (and competitive for the playoffs) than those schools plus Air Force, New Mexico, San Jose State, Wyoming, and Utah State.
Of course, it's possible the bay schools don't want to play with Cal State schools, but at this point I don't know what other options they have.
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Post by alexm on Aug 4, 2023 14:16:16 GMT -8
Alternatively, while more MWC teams probably dilutes the payout, if it's like the ACC and you just need a majority to dissolve the conference, then 8/15 MWC teams gets you to a 12 team conference and you don't have to worry about those years of uncertainty until then.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 4, 2023 14:30:04 GMT -8
Yeah. Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but if Cal/Stanford remain then the four former Pac-12 holdovers work a deal to merge with the MWC and rename themselves "PacWest" or something. The MWC media contract has something like a year to go. So the merged, newly named conference then negotiates its own deal to replace the existing Pac-12 and MWC deals. Might be the best way forward. Hinges on Cal and Stanford staying out of the Big10. Hey guys! Utah State fan here. It's been a while. I thought this would be an opportune moment to drop by. This is exactly what I have been predicting over on USUFans.com. I think it makes the most sense. Don't fold either conference, but do a formal merger. If the NCAA plays along, both conferences retain their NCAA tournament credits, and no MWC school pays the exit fees. Gloria Nevarez would be the conference commissioner, because she is an absolute beast, and sharp as a razor. Kliavkoff could be the assistant commissioner, because frankly, he doesn't deserve to be commissioner, and even that would be generous. The restructuring allows the other MWC schools to kill Boise State's sweetheart deal (they get an extra share of revenues, a deal that was cut to keep them out of the Big East years ago, and a constant thorn in the side of everyone else). Personally, as an Aggie living in Salem, I'm thrilled at the prospect of USU playing OSU regularly. Five of the MWC members are land grant schools, if you include affiliate member Hawaii. You and Wazzu would fit right in. Would you be making less money? Yes, but it also takes less money to compete in the MWC. Let me be the first to congratulate you on being a member of the Mountain Pacific Conference! Go AGGIES! Now THIS post just depresses the hell out of me. 😂 |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2023 14:31:40 GMT -8
Or…we could drop football and join the WCC. 😂 We are not good enough in basketball and we are also not a religious school......so, no. |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 4, 2023 14:59:49 GMT -8
Alternatively, while more MWC teams probably dilutes the payout, if it's like the ACC and you just need a majority to dissolve the conference, then 8/15 MWC teams gets you to a 12 team conference and you don't have to worry about those years of uncertainty until then. It takes a 3/4 vote of full member schools to dissolve the Mountain West Conference (same to expel a member school). Since 75% of 11 is 8.25, you'd have to have 9 schools vote to dissolve the conference. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2023 15:04:42 GMT -8
Alternatively, while more MWC teams probably dilutes the payout, if it's like the ACC and you just need a majority to dissolve the conference, then 8/15 MWC teams gets you to a 12 team conference and you don't have to worry about those years of uncertainty until then. It takes a 3/4 vote of full member schools to dissolve the Mountain West Conference (same to expel a member school). Since 75% of 11 is 8.25, you'd have to have 9 schools vote to dissolve the conference. can we only take 1/4 of New Mexico? |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 4, 2023 15:06:38 GMT -8
If I'm OSU, Wazzu, and the bay area schools, I try to convince 6 MWC teams to leave in 24/25, as that type of conference probably has a better shot of getting more TV money than just adding the 4 former Pac schools to the MWC. Would require riding out a couple of rough years as independents but something like OSU, Wazzu, Cal, Stanford, Fresno State , Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, Colorado State, and San Diego State is probably more lucrative (and competitive for the playoffs) than those schools plus Air Force, New Mexico, San Jose State, Wyoming, and Utah State. Of course, it's possible the bay schools don't want to play with Cal State schools, but at this point I don't know what other options they have. I think that scenario, for various reasons, is unlikely. But if it were, I'd take issue with some of your choices, specifically Fresno State. Since joining the conference, Utah State has had the third best record in both Football and Basketball, better than Fresno. USU is an R-1 research university, Fresno State and Boise State are not. Boise State is hardly better than a community college academically. I would substitute Utah State and New Mexico (OK, New Mexico has not performed well in football or basketball recently, but they are an R-1 university, and pretty much the only game in town in the state of New Mexico.) for Fresno State and Boise State. Oh, and San Diego State is also not an R-1 university. |
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Post by alexm on Aug 4, 2023 15:16:47 GMT -8
Alternatively, while more MWC teams probably dilutes the payout, if it's like the ACC and you just need a majority to dissolve the conference, then 8/15 MWC teams gets you to a 12 team conference and you don't have to worry about those years of uncertainty until then. It takes a 3/4 vote of full member schools to dissolve the Mountain West Conference (same to expel a member school). Since 75% of 11 is 8.25, you'd have to have 9 schools vote to dissolve the conference. Got it. So still doable but you'd have to add another MWC team and get to 13, which obviously isn't a great number just from a scheduling perspective. Of course, Stanford could always just take their ball and go home, in which case there could be 12, though then the valuation takes a hit given Stanford as maybe the premier brand in that imaginary conference. |
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