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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2023 7:49:41 GMT -8
I’m not sure why you think this. Look back when the Ducks played for the title. Numbers in the Northwest were lower than just about anywhere. We just don’t care the way other regions do. With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. I see what you are saying, and you make a valid point. But your point has validity on an individual level, not regional. For example, while living in Columbus, OH, I was shocked to hear talk of Ohio State football basically all year long in the media. It's kind of hard to escape and the half dozen Saturday games at the Horseshoe attest to that, filling that enormous stadium. And everyone else at home watching on TV. Grocery stores were deserted. So I think there is a greater value placed on football within the culture of certain areas than here in the West. Individually, sure, I love my Beavers as much as any Ohio State fan loves their Buckeyes. But as a student, I didn't really care about football. I felt like the campus didn't either; there was a certain "universities are for education" attitude while I was a student. I suspect the administrations were very much the same for many years. |
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Post by beavheart on Aug 2, 2023 8:03:26 GMT -8
With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. I see what you are saying, and you make a valid point. But your point has validity on an individual level, not regional. For example, while living in Columbus, OH, I was shocked to hear talk of Ohio State football basically all year long in the media. It's kind of hard to escape and the half dozen Saturday games at the Horseshoe attest to that, filling that enormous stadium. And everyone else at home watching on TV. Grocery stores were deserted. So I think there is a greater value placed on football within the culture of certain areas than here in the West. Individually, sure, I love my Beavers as much as any Ohio State fan loves their Buckeyes. But as a student, I didn't really care about football. I felt like the campus didn't either; there was a certain "universities are for education" attitude while I was a student. I suspect the administrations were very much the same for many years. I'm sure you are right about there being more emphasis in certain areas, but I feel like that is again a product of there just being more people that care on relatively the same level as you and I. Look at us. Here we are talking football all year long on here. We have media outlets that are covering OSU football all year, like Blitz. We just don't cover the bandwidth that an Ohio State does because their fanboys outnumber us probably 10 or 20 to 1. I just don't want to see OSU relegated to the MWC, and I hope the power brokers behind all the realignment crap know that we do, in fact, give a damn about CFB out here. |
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Post by beavdowg on Aug 2, 2023 8:41:48 GMT -8
If we end up in the MWC I feel like it'll be the end of Beaver football as we know it. As stated on here before, J Smith wants to coach in a relevant conference where he has the possibility of doing something special. He won't stay and neither will many of the coaches. The kids want to play in a relevant conference also so our recruiting will fall way off. If we can't get a Pac-? deal done than we have to do whatever we have to do to be in a P5 conference.
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Post by sparty on Aug 2, 2023 8:53:26 GMT -8
If we end up in the MWC I feel like it'll be the end of Beaver football as we know it. As stated on here before, J Smith wants to coach in a relevant conference where he has the possibility of doing something special. He won't stay and neither will many of the coaches. The kids want to play in a relevant conference also so our recruiting will fall way off. If we can't get a Pac-? deal done than we have to do whatever we have to do to be in a P5 conference. What is the take as far as the effect on basketball and baseball. The same effect or not as much? |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 2, 2023 8:54:11 GMT -8
If we end up in the MWC I feel like it'll be the end of Beaver football as we know it. As stated on here before, J Smith wants to coach in a relevant conference where he has the possibility of doing something special. He won't stay and neither will many of the coaches. The kids want to play in a relevant conference also so our recruiting will fall way off. If we can't get a Pac-? deal done than we have to do whatever we have to do to be in a P5 conference. Is funny. You're not the only person with this conclusion, yet Boise State might have been the most or 2nd most nationally relevant team in the West region for a decade+. With all the disadvantages they were in the national spotlight and are still fairly well respected. OSU football will survive. OSU will still get quality players to develop. JS or another quality coach will want to be in Corvallis. In fact the NIL/portal conversation will have more effect on universities like OSU football than what conference they are in. I'm sorry, but OSU isn't on the brink of some decade long run of elite national relevance. OSU and JS have built a solid program that people mention as top 25, for a year+. That said, a MWC type conference/alignment and smaller media deal will have a significant effect on other sports. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 2, 2023 9:22:53 GMT -8
If I were Barnes I'd be talking to the Big12 and take several millions less per year so the Beavs could stay in the big leagues otherwise with the MWC you are taking 20 or so million less.
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Post by bennyskid on Aug 2, 2023 9:30:14 GMT -8
In Basketball, MWC status hasn't prevented SDSU from being nationally relevant at the highest level, and several other schools breaking into the Top 25. There have been years when the MWC was unarguably better than the Pac. And Gonzaga had a lot of national success while still in the WCC.
In Baseball, the MWC has been fairly weak, but other schools around the country have been more than relevant. Coastal Carolina, Dallas Baptist, Fullerton St, and many others.
We'll do fine in those sports. Wrestling will depend on what happens to ASU and Stanford. The Pac was hardly an asset to our program.
But in women's sports, the major conferences absolutely dominate. Title IX forces the big schools to fund those sports generously - more generously than any mid-major school can dream of - and the talent pool is much smaller. There are no consistently relevant mid-major teams in WBB and even fewer in softball. In gymnastics there is Denver. Volleyball has Hawaii.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 2, 2023 9:33:29 GMT -8
If we end up in the MWC I feel like it'll be the end of Beaver football as we know it. As stated on here before, J Smith wants to coach in a relevant conference where he has the possibility of doing something special. He won't stay and neither will many of the coaches. The kids want to play in a relevant conference also so our recruiting will fall way off. If we can't get a Pac-? deal done than we have to do whatever we have to do to be in a P5 conference. Is funny. You're not the only person with this conclusion, yet Boise State might have been the most or 2nd most nationally relevant team in the West region for a decade+. With all the disadvantages they were in the national spotlight and are still fairly well respected. OSU football will survive. OSU will still get quality players to develop. JS or another quality coach will want to be in Corvallis. In fact the NIL/portal conversation will have more effect on universities like OSU football than what conference they are in. I'm sorry, but OSU isn't on the brink of some decade long run of elite national relevance. OSU and JS have built a solid program that people mention as top 25, for a year+. That said, a MWC type conference/alignment and smaller media deal will have a significant effect on other sports. Under Smiths watch we are kind of becoming a destination......we go to MWC we instantly become a stepping stone for coaches, and/or a kids 5th choice, instead of his 1st, or 2nd. Can the program remain relevant? Sure it can......is it going to be that much more of an uphill climb? You better believe it. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2023 9:37:17 GMT -8
If we end up in the MWC I feel like it'll be the end of Beaver football as we know it. As stated on here before, J Smith wants to coach in a relevant conference where he has the possibility of doing something special. He won't stay and neither will many of the coaches. The kids want to play in a relevant conference also so our recruiting will fall way off. If we can't get a Pac-? deal done than we have to do whatever we have to do to be in a P5 conference. Is funny. You're not the only person with this conclusion, yet Boise State might have been the most or 2nd most nationally relevant team in the West region for a decade+. With all the disadvantages they were in the national spotlight and are still fairly well respected. OSU football will survive. OSU will still get quality players to develop. JS or another quality coach will want to be in Corvallis. In fact the NIL/portal conversation will have more effect on universities like OSU football than what conference they are in. I'm sorry, but OSU isn't on the brink of some decade long run of elite national relevance. OSU and JS have built a solid program that people mention as top 25, for a year+. That said, a MWC type conference/alignment and smaller media deal will have a significant effect on other sports. What a shame it would be for Beaver athletics to fall to a lower tier. Gymnastics, wrestling and others will sorely affected. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 2, 2023 9:40:12 GMT -8
Is funny. You're not the only person with this conclusion, yet Boise State might have been the most or 2nd most nationally relevant team in the West region for a decade+. With all the disadvantages they were in the national spotlight and are still fairly well respected. OSU football will survive. OSU will still get quality players to develop. JS or another quality coach will want to be in Corvallis. In fact the NIL/portal conversation will have more effect on universities like OSU football than what conference they are in. I'm sorry, but OSU isn't on the brink of some decade long run of elite national relevance. OSU and JS have built a solid program that people mention as top 25, for a year+. That said, a MWC type conference/alignment and smaller media deal will have a significant effect on other sports. What a shame it would be for Beaver athletics to fall to a lower tier. Gymnastics, wrestling and others will sorely affected. Baseball......we won't land near the recruiting classes we currently get. Meanwhile, if the evil empire down the road stays in a P5, which they will, they could very well pass us up in baseball...... 🤮 |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 2, 2023 10:16:44 GMT -8
All of the above scenarios could well come to pass. And, maybe they will not. But, I'm not one to compare OSU's programs to other institutions. I honestly could give a flying EFF about what happens to other P5 programs. Nor, do I know what the future brings other than OSU will survive as an academic and athletic institution. And, I will remain a fan and supporter. Whether most here like it or not, the P5 is moving toward super conferences where the media determines almost every outcome except for those on the field. OSU will NEVER thrive in that scenario. OSU may cash bigger checks that allow for more athletic programs to exist. However, between the conference alignments, media influence, NIL, and portal for the most part OSU will become a corporate pawn and most likely never be relevant on the national stage.
We can all worry and postulate, but every single person here will remain an OSU fan. I became a fan of the institution, hoping our 4th generation will attend. It is after all an academic institution with some standing, and athletics exist only because of that. We all care that OSU as a university excels, but I'll never let an "outsider" determine how I feel and root for this school... Pac9, 10, 12, B12, MWC, or ??. But, I do want OSU to BE OSU and the keeping up with the Jones' and chasing TV $ isn't it. College athletics is now the guy who never has enough toys, materialistic to the core, and is susceptible to corruption to stay even/get ahead. OSU will never be able to play that game for too long and be successful.
As fans we can put butts in the seats or in front of the screens, and support the programs to the best of each of our abilities. The rest is...
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 2, 2023 10:27:08 GMT -8
All of the above scenarios could well come to pass. And, maybe they will not. But, I'm not one to compare OSU's programs to other institutions. I honestly could give a flying EFF about what happens to other P5 programs. Nor, do I know what the future brings other than OSU will survive as an academic and athletic institution. And, I will remain a fan and supporter. Whether most here like it or not, the P5 is moving toward super conferences where the media determines almost every outcome except for those on the field. OSU will NEVER thrive in that scenario. OSU may cash bigger checks that allow for more athletic programs to exist. However, between the conference alignments, media influence, NIL, and portal for the most part OSU will become a corporate pawn and most likely never be relevant on the national stage. We can all worry and postulate, but every single person here will remain an OSU fan. I became a fan of the institution, hoping our 4th generation will attend. It is after all an academic institution with some standing, and athletics exist only because of that. We all care that OSU as a university excels, but I'll never let an "outsider" determine how I feel and root for this school... Pac9, 10, 12, B12, MWC, or ??. But, I do want OSU to BE OSU and the keeping up with the Jones' and chasing TV $ isn't it. College athletics is now the guy who never has enough toys, materialistic to the core, and is susceptible to corruption to stay even/get ahead. OSU will never be able to play that game for too long and be successful. As fans we can put butts in the seats or in front of the screens, and support the programs to the best of each of our abilities. The rest is... I'm an alum. I bleed orange and black. I ain't goin anywhere. I don't want to see a world where hole surpasses us in baseball......it's hard to think about....our program built on blood, sweat, and tears over decades......they come in on the coattails with uncle Phil money.....if the thought of that doesn't make Beaver Nation sick, check ur pulse! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 2, 2023 10:35:56 GMT -8
I’m not sure why you think this. Look back when the Ducks played for the title. Numbers in the Northwest were lower than just about anywhere. We just don’t care the way other regions do. With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. Having gone to school at the University of Alabama after graduating from Oregon State, I can say that they absolutely care more. It's not just something big, it's everything. It's the level of how impactful college football in every day life is there. It runs much, much deeper than anywhere else I've been. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 2, 2023 10:43:24 GMT -8
All of the above scenarios could well come to pass. And, maybe they will not. But, I'm not one to compare OSU's programs to other institutions. I honestly could give a flying EFF about what happens to other P5 programs. Nor, do I know what the future brings other than OSU will survive as an academic and athletic institution. And, I will remain a fan and supporter. Whether most here like it or not, the P5 is moving toward super conferences where the media determines almost every outcome except for those on the field. OSU will NEVER thrive in that scenario. OSU may cash bigger checks that allow for more athletic programs to exist. However, between the conference alignments, media influence, NIL, and portal for the most part OSU will become a corporate pawn and most likely never be relevant on the national stage. We can all worry and postulate, but every single person here will remain an OSU fan. I became a fan of the institution, hoping our 4th generation will attend. It is after all an academic institution with some standing, and athletics exist only because of that. We all care that OSU as a university excels, but I'll never let an "outsider" determine how I feel and root for this school... Pac9, 10, 12, B12, MWC, or ??. But, I do want OSU to BE OSU and the keeping up with the Jones' and chasing TV $ isn't it. College athletics is now the guy who never has enough toys, materialistic to the core, and is susceptible to corruption to stay even/get ahead. OSU will never be able to play that game for too long and be successful. As fans we can put butts in the seats or in front of the screens, and support the programs to the best of each of our abilities. The rest is... I'm an alum. I bleed orange and black. I ain't goin anywhere. I don't want to see a world where hole surpasses us in baseball......it's hard to think about....our program built on blood, sweat, and tears over decades......they come in on the coattails with uncle Phil money.....if the thought of that doesn't make Beaver Nation sick, check ur pulse! Maybe you can start worrying if they ever win 1 national championship........ There would be some trickle down effect in regards to money, but I still think we are established enough in baseball, that it would be less impacted than some other sports by a move to a smaller conference. We are still recruiting pretty well without forking out a ton of NIL money. Players will still come because of the success that we've had and the number of players that we have gotten to the pros. |
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 2, 2023 10:45:44 GMT -8
Agree with others speaking about how important football is to their communities and states. I was at the LSU/OSU game in Baton Rouge in the 2000’s. Football to them is right up there with family and religion. They tailgate starting on a Thursday for a Saturday night game. Women and men…young and old know football. It just means more. There isn’t the complaining about ticket prices like we have here. If one of the powerhouse programs had won 11/12 home games like we did the last two years,they would feel that was well worth the price for that quality of product. We seem to find a reason to not go to live games versus just enjoying a terrific product. “The games are too late…the concessions are bad…traffic is bad…the sound system is poor…the ticket takers are not trained properly,etc” . We are blessed to have a great product to enjoy…enjoy the moment.
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