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Post by seastape on Aug 1, 2023 21:27:55 GMT -8
When and where is it "dark" at 4:30 p.m. in the State of Oregon? DST is a hustle to keep Americans up and spending later in the day and has been since the Uniform Time Act of 1966. On December 8th and 9th 2022 in Lakeview the sunset was at 4:30:53. If it was overcast it's feasible that it was dark. Yeah, but come on...how often is it overcast in December in the state of Oregon? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 1, 2023 21:30:27 GMT -8
Arizona board of Regents scheduled meeting for 3:30 pst today. I would say by 5 pst we could know if zona and now I am hearing zona st. Also, Utah may be the third one now. Only a 30-minute meeting. You must also remember that the Arizona Board of Regents covers both Arizona and Arizona State. Also, there is no "PST" right now. It's PDT. Arizona is on year-round MST, which is PDT. Canada, Mexico, and the United States each are on PDT right now. And there is no other land in the Pacific Time Zone. Go back to year-round standard time! Daylight Savings Time is big business unnecessarily meddling in everyone's lives to increase afternoon activities and boost profits. Bump. 30-minute meeting. Arizona and Arizona State share a Board of Regents. Nothing was going to happen, and nothing happened. Big Ten (+UCLA & USC) and Big-12 (+Colorado) propaganda machines are working on overdrive, though. George K has screwed this thing up royally, but he can still pull this one out of the fire. I'm a Beaver fan, though. I almost have to be hopelessly optimistic. |
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Post by seastape on Aug 1, 2023 21:38:28 GMT -8
Saw this posted today: On the crappleTV deal for the Pac 12. They would need 32.6 million subscribers to get Big 12 numbers. That's a bit less than 10% of America. That's about how many people are currently subscribed to AppleTV. That's a separate +$20/month subscription. Good luck. The problem is that in Big 12 country there just isn't anything else but their football. Like shooting fish in a barrel to get high ratings. Different culture in the West, thank god.
What the Pac needs is more national coverage--something that Pac 12 Network failed to give us. And we need a couple contenders. If we get Apple to ink the deal, folks in New Jersey can watch us--probably at their leisure--and see what the Pac is all about. If we get a team in the CFP (other than UofO and U$C) then it will build credibility. And we are poised to see that happen with a strong conference this year.
Sure, USC and UCLA taking off really sucked, but they have to live with the consequences. The Pac is on an upward trend. Last year, we finished the year with 6 teams ranked in the top 25. The Big Ten had 3.
Agreed. The Pac 12's first mistake was to fail to recognize that people in the midwest (and the south) are far more into sports, especially football, than in the west. Far more. There is no way that the Pac 12 was ever going to get a straight across the line deal as good as the Big 12. It's got even worse when Yormark marched in and took a lot of football space from ESPN, leaving the Pac high and dry. If the Pac gets anywhere near the deal of the Big 12, George K. deserves a statue in the Pac 12 footprint. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 1, 2023 21:38:46 GMT -8
Obviously been a long time since you lived in Oregon. The sun sets regularly in the 4:30-4:40 range throughout late November and December, and it's plenty dark before than on overcast days. There was not a 5 p.m. sunset in Portland until Jan. 21 of 2023. Dark, though? It's still Civil Twilight until 5:01 p.m. even on the earliest sunset. It's never "dark" until after six. I hear you with the rain and everything I suppose. But you aren't going out in the rain anyway, "dark" or not. Of course I'm going out in the rain, I'm an Oregonian of almost 40 years. No point in living in Oregon if you're afraid of the rain. |
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Post by jbjam on Aug 2, 2023 1:53:54 GMT -8
The problem is that in Big 12 country there just isn't anything else but their football. Like shooting fish in a barrel to get high ratings. Different culture in the West, thank god.
What the Pac needs is more national coverage--something that Pac 12 Network failed to give us. And we need a couple contenders. If we get Apple to ink the deal, folks in New Jersey can watch us--probably at their leisure--and see what the Pac is all about. If we get a team in the CFP (other than UofO and U$C) then it will build credibility. And we are poised to see that happen with a strong conference this year.
Sure, USC and UCLA taking off really sucked, but they have to live with the consequences. The Pac is on an upward trend. Last year, we finished the year with 6 teams ranked in the top 25. The Big Ten had 3.
Agreed. The Pac 12's first mistake was to fail to recognize that people in the midwest (and the south) are far more into sports, especially football, than in the west. Far more. There is no way that the Pac 12 was ever going to get a straight across the line deal as good as the Big 12. It's got even worse when Yormark marched in and took a lot of football space from ESPN, leaving the Pac high and dry. If the Pac gets anywhere near the deal of the Big 12, George K. deserves a statue in the Pac 12 footprint. The PAC has far more valuable markets. Viewership demos matter more than pure numbers. And the pac doesn’t lag either. The issue is the timing. The BIG12 took a deal when cash was flush and networks were expanding and fighting for content. The PAC went into serious deal mode during a contraction. For example,Viacom laid off 30% of its corp workforce during this period. The BIG 12 would not get the same deal now, and next up it’ll be in worse shape than the PAC. Their best bet is to implode the pac. The pac did bungle this by not understanding the market. When the big 12 inked their deal content production was at highs never seen. You couldn’t hire crew or staff for anything. Several months before the strikes content cuts were happening. This is also why the big 12 is desperate for teams, better teams. Their current lineup isn’t that attractive. If they don’t fix this they’re going to be 5th next negotiation and Colorado isn’t helping those numbers. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2023 4:55:09 GMT -8
Agreed. The Pac 12's first mistake was to fail to recognize that people in the midwest (and the south) are far more into sports, especially football, than in the west. Far more. There is no way that the Pac 12 was ever going to get a straight across the line deal as good as the Big 12. It's got even worse when Yormark marched in and took a lot of football space from ESPN, leaving the Pac high and dry. If the Pac gets anywhere near the deal of the Big 12, George K. deserves a statue in the Pac 12 footprint. The PAC has far more valuable markets. Viewership demos matter more than pure numbers. And the pac doesn’t lag either. The issue is the timing. The BIG12 took a deal when cash was flush and networks were expanding and fighting for content. The PAC went into serious deal mode during a contraction. For example,Viacom laid off 30% of its corp workforce during this period. The BIG 12 would not get the same deal now, and next up it’ll be in worse shape than the PAC. Their best bet is to implode the pac. The pac did bungle this by not understanding the market. When the big 12 inked their deal content production was at highs never seen. You couldn’t hire crew or staff for anything. Several months before the strikes content cuts were happening. This is also why the big 12 is desperate for teams, better teams. Their current lineup isn’t that attractive. If they don’t fix this they’re going to be 5th next negotiation and Colorado isn’t helping those numbers. I’m not sure why you think this. Look back when the Ducks played for the title. Numbers in the Northwest were lower than just about anywhere. We just don’t care the way other regions do. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 2, 2023 5:48:36 GMT -8
What is the MWC payout for television rights per school?
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Post by nebraskabeav on Aug 2, 2023 6:38:10 GMT -8
What is the MWC payout for television rights per school? Currently, it's around $5-6M per school. This is why ALL G5 teams are clambering to apply to get into the Pac-12 because it's their way to get a payday and get into a P5 conference. Would it become a P5 conference or a Power G5 conference? |
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Post by ftd on Aug 2, 2023 6:42:16 GMT -8
What is the MWC payout for television rights per school? Currently, it's around $5-6M per school. This is why ALL G5 teams are clambering to apply to get into the Pac-12 because it's their way to get a payday and get into a P5 conference. Would it become a P5 conference or a Power G5 conference? which is why IMHO, if we lose a bunch more schools we pick up a bunch of current MWC teams into the new Pac-n...They want it for the payday, we want it to remain P5. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 2, 2023 6:55:05 GMT -8
On December 8th and 9th 2022 in Lakeview the sunset was at 4:30:53. If it was overcast it's feasible that it was dark. Yeah, but come on...how often is it overcast in December in the state of Oregon? Seems to me I remember an overcast day when I was a kid…. Other than that, I can’t recall. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 2, 2023 7:05:38 GMT -8
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Post by beavheart on Aug 2, 2023 7:19:15 GMT -8
The PAC has far more valuable markets. Viewership demos matter more than pure numbers. And the pac doesn’t lag either. The issue is the timing. The BIG12 took a deal when cash was flush and networks were expanding and fighting for content. The PAC went into serious deal mode during a contraction. For example,Viacom laid off 30% of its corp workforce during this period. The BIG 12 would not get the same deal now, and next up it’ll be in worse shape than the PAC. Their best bet is to implode the pac. The pac did bungle this by not understanding the market. When the big 12 inked their deal content production was at highs never seen. You couldn’t hire crew or staff for anything. Several months before the strikes content cuts were happening. This is also why the big 12 is desperate for teams, better teams. Their current lineup isn’t that attractive. If they don’t fix this they’re going to be 5th next negotiation and Colorado isn’t helping those numbers. I’m not sure why you think this. Look back when the Ducks played for the title. Numbers in the Northwest were lower than just about anywhere. We just don’t care the way other regions do. With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. |
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Post by beaverdreams on Aug 2, 2023 7:32:00 GMT -8
I’m not sure why you think this. Look back when the Ducks played for the title. Numbers in the Northwest were lower than just about anywhere. We just don’t care the way other regions do. With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. Well, you sort of answered you own question there. They do have MORE passionate fans down there by volume certainly. Do they care MORE than you or I? I don't know- hard to measure THAT, but I know there are more of them. I just don't think people out here can understand that until you actually EXPERIENCE it first hand. Going to that Beaver game at LSU years ago was eye opening to me. I had never in my life seen a college football scene such as that. Just off the charts. It's a part of their culture, a way of life. |
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Post by beavheart on Aug 2, 2023 7:40:04 GMT -8
With respect Irimi, I disagree with this. I know the narrative is that the south cares more, and I think it's bunk. Personally, I take a back seat to no one in my passion, zeal, and how much I care about OSU sports. And, I know I'm not the biggest Beav fan in the world. Still, I don't think I could care much more about OSU and the Pac12 by extension. I think it's more accurate to say that there are MORE people that care about their respective schools in the south, but their fandom is more or less on par with college sports fans across the nation. Simply put, they have more fan-boys in the south and mid-west. Does that mean they care more? Not necessarily. Well, you sort of answered you own question there. They do have MORE passionate fans down there by volume certainly. Do they care MORE than you or I? I don't know- hard to measure THAT, but I know there are more of them. I just don't think people out here can understand that until you actually EXPERIENCE it first hand. Going to that Beaver game at LSU years ago was eye opening to me. I had never in my life seen a college football scene such as that. Just off the charts. It's a part of their culture, a way of life. I think this is closer to accurate. I've spent some time in the South, and can attest to there being more fans in general. Their high school sports are a bigger deal to the community also. That said, I think we have just as big of fans on the west coast. Just not as many of them. It's a slight distinction, but an important one I think right now while regions are being measured by their value to CFB. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 2, 2023 7:49:23 GMT -8
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. You know, where football is a religion