still no deal

Well...did you watch it? If so...what happened?

I’ll make you feel worse, I think our choices are a watered down Pac 12 or the mountain west. You’re welcome

Sure there is... I think it all comes down to what is your goal for your school. Is it to educate student-athletes and watch some good competition or is it to win "a national title" that already is tilted in favor of some schools over others and will be tilted further?

I would entirely expect coaches and players, etc. to leave. And that would stink. And life would go on. The fact is that even if a deal is cobbled together and the PAC stays together as-is, it will not be a major player for the next few years and OSU will not be a "desired property" ever unless there is a dramatic increase in fans that spontaneously appear and watch our games on TV or apparently unless we becomes a major player in basketball. That isn't a bad thing, per se, just that we'll always be fighting to have a seat at the table, any table. If these major conferences start paying players, do you not think we'll lose players? If schools start offering coaches $20 million a year, will we not lose coaches or at least miss out on good coaches? 

I think I'm viewing it more as a question of the end game, and how valuable it is...compared to an acceptance that we will still be a great school with great teams, regardless of which conference we are placed into. We can run around like our pants are on fire and stress over things and at the end of the day, even if there is PAC, it still might come to the same conclusion in a few years.  The only things that will change that, in my mind, are if there are some fairly rigid, centralized guidelines put around NIL/Transfer Portal and/or if someone at the PAC throws some big dice, like some sort of merge with the ACC.

this link has some pdf files regarding agenda and updated agenda..No mention of billing on the Pac-n
www.azregents.edu/board-committees/board

arizonastateu.sharepoint.com/sites/O365ABOR/public/Committee/Board/Shared%20Documents/Forms/AllItems.aspx?id=%2Fsites%2FO365ABOR%2Fpublic%2FCommittee%2FBoard%2FShared%20Documents%2F2023%2D8%2D01%2DSpecial%2DBoard%2DMeeting%2DAnnotated%20Agenda%2Epdf&parent=%2Fsites%2FO365ABOR%2Fpublic%2FCommittee%2FBoard%2FShared%20Documents&p=true&ga=1

When and where is it "dark" at 4:30 p.m. in the State of Oregon?

DST is a hustle to keep Americans up and spending later in the day and has been since the Uniform Time Act of 1966.

I haven't read this whole thread, so pardon me if I'm redundant. My fellow old farts will remember when, during the Nixon administration, year round daylight savings time was tried as an energy savings measure. Mothers around the country absolutely hated it because their children were waiting for the school bus in the dark.

No stronger political force exists than upset mothers; it was soon rescinded.

Sunset in my area--Salem-Keizer--every year between Thanksgiving and Christmas runs in a narrow range between 4:30 and 4:35---and with 75% of the days that time of year being dark cloudy and rainy---it is pretty dark by then!---Not to mention that many of us here  in the Willamette Valley have hills to our west---Portland West hills and West and South Salem hills, etc. on down the valley so that we lose the sun between 3:30 and 4pm daily in the winter contributing further to that 4:30 darkness!