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Post by messi on Aug 4, 2023 10:18:07 GMT -8
And how does let’s say 4 to 5 million fund all the non revenue sports. How many MW schools have softball, wrestling, baseball, gymnastics. Varies by MWC school. Most get a ton of "institutional support and donations"... who knows what goes into those categories. For example San Diego State has the largest revenue of any of the MWC teams (5th in G5 for '21-22) at $67 mil... OSU at $83.5 SD St Revenue: OSU Revenue: - Donations $19.7 mil................................................. $9.5 mil - Misc $17.3 mil.......................................................... $6.2 mil - Direct institutional support $13.2 mil....................... $8.0 mil - Ticket sales $5.6 mil................................................ $9.5 mil - Media deal $3.25 mil............................................... $25.7 mil - Licensing/Ads $2.7 mil............................................ $8.2 mil - NCAA distributions $2.25mil................................... $6.0 mil - Conference distribution $1.8 mil...............................$10.5 mil Deficit of $1.4 mil... spend about $20 mil/year less on football at a $6 mil deficit. OSU spends about double what most MWC does on coaching salaries. Should I be surprised that San Diego State brings in $10 mil more in donations than Oregon State? I'd have thought it would be the other way around. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 4, 2023 10:19:47 GMT -8
Depending on who stays, might be time to form a brand-new conference. The True West OSU WSU Cal Stanford Utah ASU Boise State SDSU CSU Wyoming Fresno State San Jose State or UNLV or Utah State That would be a decent FB/BB/Baseball/softball/gymnastics league I'm not sure how all this could take place before the 2024 season without a set media deal that would guarantee payouts. I do not see any media deal with 1/2 the new league being MWC teams being $20mil/team when they now get about $4-5 mil. There is no motivation for Apple or any company to payout that much for that lineup. This would be a nice "little" league and could be very competitive in one game NC games vs the "big" conferences, but it just does not have the TV pull to keep OSU's budget as it is. Plus I believe the MWC has an exit fee and grant in rights provision that each exiting MWC school would face. And, then the remaining MWC teams would be left in the lurch as all their major components are gone. Each conference has their own SOPs, but in my quick research the Pac12 is the only one that does not have an exit fee based on the conference, nit an expiring TV deal. Nothing takes place before the 2024 season. The Pac-12 will continue to exist in 2023-24. I expect there will be many discussions before the 2024-25 academic year and the administrators of both leagues and schools will be more than willing to work together and come to some accommodation as to exits fees, etc. AFA does nothing for me. Low-profile nationally, no regional fan base, terrible basketball. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 4, 2023 10:19:57 GMT -8
So suppose the state legislature decided that Oregon could only accept an invite if Oregon State also accepts it? See edit above... Damn. This is a really sad day for me. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 4, 2023 10:20:04 GMT -8
There is talk of Stanford football going independent. They probably see themselves as too elite to be in a conference with academic lowlifes such as BSU, Fresno State and Wyoming The only thing that keeps ND afloat as an independent is their TV contract with NBC. I don’t see Stanford coming up with anything similar to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 10:22:29 GMT -8
Stop being victims. Pac 12 should offer membership to Big 10 schools who don't like these changes. Same for Big 12. Maybe even ACC. Let's go on the offensive.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 4, 2023 10:22:31 GMT -8
There is talk of Stanford football going independent. They probably see themselves as too elite to be in a conference with academic lowlifes such as BSU, Fresno State and Wyoming The only thing that keeps ND afloat as an independent is their TV contract with NBC. I don’t see Stanford coming up with anything similar to that. And Stanford finances a LOT of sports - they even came close to cutting a few in recent years. |
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Post by messi on Aug 4, 2023 10:25:15 GMT -8
Stop being victims. Pac 12 should offer membership to Big 10 schools who don't like these changes. Same for Big 12. Maybe even ACC. Let's go on the offensive. What's not to like? No one is going to leave the B1G with all that money. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 4, 2023 10:25:28 GMT -8
Stop being victims. Pac 12 should offer membership to Big 10 schools who don't like these changes. Same for Big 12. Maybe even ACC. Let's go on the offensive. And what will the offer in dollars be for these schools to go with Apple streaming. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2023 10:25:34 GMT -8
There is talk of Stanford football going independent. They probably see themselves as too elite to be in a conference with academic lowlifes such as BSU, Fresno State and Wyoming The only thing that keeps ND afloat as an independent is their TV contract with NBC. I don’t see Stanford coming up with anything similar to that. Notre Dame only gets $22 million per year from their NBC contract. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 4, 2023 10:25:52 GMT -8
Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? Well we'll find out if there's actually even a purpose to this alleged approval/oversight committee stuff or whatever they are. Because if there was ever a more clear instance to make things fair between the two schools.......this is obviously it. If they do literally nothing, then there's no point of any of this in the first place. Don't get your hopes up. There was a bill in the Oregon legislature that died quickly. The best hope now is to ding UofO $5 million+ a year (or more) to pay to OSU for leaving. Or, of course, if things get out of control, you could make a longshot case for antitrust, but that's probably the next round of deals. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 10:27:05 GMT -8
I'm not sure how all this could take place before the 2024 season without a set media deal that would guarantee payouts. I do not see any media deal with 1/2 the new league being MWC teams being $20mil/team when they now get about $4-5 mil. There is no motivation for Apple or any company to payout that much for that lineup. This would be a nice "little" league and could be very competitive in one game NC games vs the "big" conferences, but it just does not have the TV pull to keep OSU's budget as it is. Plus I believe the MWC has an exit fee and grant in rights provision that each exiting MWC school would face. And, then the remaining MWC teams would be left in the lurch as all their major components are gone. Each conference has their own SOPs, but in my quick research the Pac12 is the only one that does not have an exit fee based on the conference, nit an expiring TV deal. Nothing takes place before the 2024 season. The Pac-12 will continue to exist in 2023-24. I expect there will be many discussions before the 2024-25 academic year and the administrators of both leagues and schools will be more than willing to work together and come to some accommodation as to exits fees, etc. AFA does nothing for me. Low-profile nationally, no regional fan base, terrible basketball. Budgeting for '24-25 is already trying to take place. The media deal effects EVERY aspect of attempting to build that budget. As of now OSU will have to cut approximately $7-10 mil IF the Apple deal is as advertised and other revenue streams are not found. All contracts with revenue stream clauses will be affected. Which is in most coaching contracts. Tough to begin to pencil out anything at this point. Glad I'm not in the AD. |
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Post by lefty on Aug 4, 2023 10:30:47 GMT -8
ND just signed a big multi million dollar contract with Under Armor for the next ten years
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 10:31:24 GMT -8
Stop being victims. Pac 12 should offer membership to Big 10 schools who don't like these changes. Same for Big 12. Maybe even ACC. Let's go on the offensive. What's not to like? No one is going to leave the B1G with all that money. Plus what does the Pac9/?? have to offer? They all have set media deals... we have bupkis. |
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Post by sessbeav on Aug 4, 2023 10:35:36 GMT -8
Damn. This is a really sad day for me. I'm with you OA. This is indeed a dark day. I've tried to remain upbeat and positive. But DAMN. This licks bag and I am having a hard time finding anything even remotely positive. |
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Post by messi on Aug 4, 2023 10:35:51 GMT -8
Our budget is going to have to get drastically axed. Just brutal. Could OSU end up having to cut (a) program(s) entirely in the next few years? |
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