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Post by sparty on Aug 4, 2023 9:46:23 GMT -8
Depending on who stays, might be time to form a brand-new conference. The True West OSU WSU Cal Stanford Utah ASU Boise State SDSU CSU Wyoming Fresno State San Jose State or UNLV or Utah State That would be a decent FB/BB/Baseball/softball/gymnastics league I'm not sure how all this could take place before the 2024 season without a set media deal that would guarantee payouts. I do not see any media deal with 1/2 the new league being MWC teams being $20mil/team when they now get about $4-5 mil. There is no motivation for Apple or any company to payout that much for that lineup. This would be a nice "little" league and could be very competitive in one game NC games vs the "big" conferences, but it just does not have the TV pull to keep OSU's budget as it is. Plus I believe the MWC has an exit fee and grant in rights provision that each exiting MWC school would face. And, then the remaining MWC teams would be left in the lurch as all their major components are gone. Each conference has their own SOPs, but in my quick research the Pac12 is the only one that does not have an exit fee based on the conference, nit an expiring TV deal. This is all correct. Everyone assumes remaining pac will take from MWC. What if MWC only adds 4 more. Cal Stanford WSU Osu. This could get kind of crazy. Think about it. Is George K going to stay. Think not. Who is the MW commissioner. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 4, 2023 9:49:33 GMT -8
And how does let’s say 4 to 5 million fund all the non revenue sports. How many MW schools have softball, wrestling, baseball, gymnastics.
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Post by 93beav on Aug 4, 2023 9:50:24 GMT -8
I would not be surprised if the Civil War is now played as a non-conference game early in the season. The only way I would play them now is if all the former PAC12 teams offered to add us as an OOC game and paid us $3-$4 million a game. Then we could go independent, play them, and make more money than them. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 4, 2023 9:50:49 GMT -8
Our budget is going to have to get drastically axed. Just brutal.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 9:51:59 GMT -8
Paraphrasing a quick email and reply from the HECC (Oregon's Higher Education Coordinating Commission, the University of Oregon Board of Trustees (The UofO Prez being the chair with 14 volunteers appointed by the Gov, approved by the Senate) has no authority to finalize any conference realignment. The entirely of the academic and athletic programs come under the purview of the State which can take recommendations. But, the University and it's leadership do not have the final authority in the UofO making a shift in conference affiliation. Seems pretty similar to what UCLA had to go thru and it would be hilarious if UofO had to pay OSU "penalty/damages" like Cal is getting from UCLA!! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 4, 2023 9:58:15 GMT -8
Pacific Coast Conference 1915-1959 AAWU/Pac-8/10/12 Conference 1959-2023 Nothing lasts forever. Only remaining PCC charter members left are OSU and Cal. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Aug 4, 2023 9:59:31 GMT -8
I'm f@cking depressed. I'm gonna go lie down.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 4, 2023 9:59:38 GMT -8
We'll host them in the 12 team playoff, work them over good. Embarrass them on their :45 bus ride home as their season comes to an end. Odds are uo will rarely, and possibly never, make the playoffs as a member of the Big 10. I dunno...don't see them winning it, but the last 6 will be a beauty contest. Get to 10 wins and you are probably in. Not to mention with 16 or 18 teams in Big, Oregon could win 10 games a year playing 3 OOC and 5 or 6 conference cream puffs. That conference has a good 8 programs that are mostly irrelevant...and Oregon is on par with Penn St, Iowa, Wash, USC, and Wisky. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 4, 2023 10:00:08 GMT -8
Paraphrasing a quick email and reply from the HECC (Oregon's Higher Education Coordinating Commission, the University of Oregon Board of Trustees (The UofO Prez being the chair with 14 volunteers appointed by the Gov, approved by the Senate) has no authority to finalize any conference realignment. The entirely of the academic and athletic programs come under the purview of the State which can take recommendations. But, the University and it's leadership do not have the final authority in the UofO making a shift in conference affiliation. Seems pretty similar to what UCLA had to go thru and it would be hilarious if UofO had to pay OSU "penalty/damages" like Cal is getting from UCLA!! Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2023 10:04:16 GMT -8
Paraphrasing a quick email and reply from the HECC (Oregon's Higher Education Coordinating Commission, the University of Oregon Board of Trustees (The UofO Prez being the chair with 14 volunteers appointed by the Gov, approved by the Senate) has no authority to finalize any conference realignment. The entirely of the academic and athletic programs come under the purview of the State which can take recommendations. But, the University and it's leadership do not have the final authority in the UofO making a shift in conference affiliation. Seems pretty similar to what UCLA had to go thru and it would be hilarious if UofO had to pay OSU "penalty/damages" like Cal is getting from UCLA!! Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? The state of Washington actually brought up legislation that would not allow UW and WSU to split up. This happened when USC and UCLA were leaving. However, it was dropped when it was determined there were more important issues and at that time, the Big 10 was not looking to add UW. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Aug 4, 2023 10:06:19 GMT -8
Paraphrasing a quick email and reply from the HECC (Oregon's Higher Education Coordinating Commission, the University of Oregon Board of Trustees (The UofO Prez being the chair with 14 volunteers appointed by the Gov, approved by the Senate) has no authority to finalize any conference realignment. The entirely of the academic and athletic programs come under the purview of the State which can take recommendations. But, the University and it's leadership do not have the final authority in the UofO making a shift in conference affiliation. Seems pretty similar to what UCLA had to go thru and it would be hilarious if UofO had to pay OSU "penalty/damages" like Cal is getting from UCLA!! Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? Well we'll find out if there's actually even a purpose to this alleged approval/oversight committee stuff or whatever they are. Because if there was ever a more clear instance to make things fair between the two schools.......this is obviously it. If they do literally nothing, then there's no point of any of this in the first place. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 10:08:45 GMT -8
And how does let’s say 4 to 5 million fund all the non revenue sports. How many MW schools have softball, wrestling, baseball, gymnastics. Varies by MWC school. Most get a ton of "institutional support and donations"... who knows what goes into those categories. For example San Diego State has the largest revenue of any of the MWC teams (5th in G5 for '21-22) at $67 mil... OSU at $83.5 SD St Revenue: OSU Revenue: - Donations $19.7 mil................................................. $9.5 mil - Misc $17.3 mil.......................................................... $6.2 mil - Direct institutional support $13.2 mil....................... $8.0 mil - Ticket sales $5.6 mil................................................ $9.5 mil - Media deal $3.25 mil............................................... $25.7 mil - Licensing/Ads $2.7 mil............................................ $8.2 mil - NCAA distributions $2.25mil................................... $6.0 mil - Conference distribution $1.8 mil...............................$10.5 mil Deficit of $1.4 mil... spend about $20 mil/year less on football at a $6 mil deficit. OSU spends about double what most MWC does on coaching salaries. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 10:10:19 GMT -8
Paraphrasing a quick email and reply from the HECC (Oregon's Higher Education Coordinating Commission, the University of Oregon Board of Trustees (The UofO Prez being the chair with 14 volunteers appointed by the Gov, approved by the Senate) has no authority to finalize any conference realignment. The entirely of the academic and athletic programs come under the purview of the State which can take recommendations. But, the University and it's leadership do not have the final authority in the UofO making a shift in conference affiliation. Seems pretty similar to what UCLA had to go thru and it would be hilarious if UofO had to pay OSU "penalty/damages" like Cal is getting from UCLA!! Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? HECC itself is an "advisory" commission and final say is the legislature if I understand the process correctly. Edit... as of 2 minutes ago the Executive Director of the HECC, emailed. Since the legislature changed the law in 2013, the Dept. of Higher Ed was replaced, the UofO board of Trustees has the power to decide the athletic affiliation of their school. "As the governing board for the university, however, the Governor-appointed Board of Trustees is ultimately responsible for all university matters." |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 4, 2023 10:16:40 GMT -8
Well that's interesting. Theoretically the HECC could decide that the detriment to the rest of the sports programs in terms of travel and pressure on the student athletes is not worth the benefits that the football program would reap, and reject the deal? Is Washington in a similar type of situation then? HECC itself is an "advisory" commission and final say is the legislature if I understand the process correctly. So suppose the state legislature decided that Oregon could only accept an invite if Oregon State also accepts it? |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 4, 2023 10:17:35 GMT -8
HECC itself is an "advisory" commission and final say is the legislature if I understand the process correctly. So suppose the state legislature decided that Oregon could only accept an invite if Oregon State also accepts it? See edit above... |
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