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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 29, 2023 11:33:20 GMT -8
If other teams don’t abandon the PAC will be fine long term, especially adding SMU and SDSU. The BIG12 negotiated their deal at a time networks were flush with cash and dying to purchase rights. They aren’t as valuable as the PAC and their next deal will be for less than whatever the pac gets. Colorado chose a few slightly better years for a worse conference. The BIG 12s best move is to implode the pac, because their product isn’t as valuable and they know that… Colorado was foolish but it also makes sense they have no long term history in the pac vs big12 and they’ve sucked for a long time. We’ll see if other PAC schools abandoned (which would be foolish.) Unless it’s the SEC or BIG10, the pac is still #3 with the markets they contain.… their management has just been beyond foolish and not understand the environments. I like and appreciate the thoughtful post among all the hysteria at the moment. Long term? Call me vindictive, but given what we know, and may find out in the future, "F" Colorado, UCLA and USC. If they were to attempt to come back several years down the road - no, just no. Never cared for either (USC/ UCLA), and now they are dead to me - channeling my best Kevin O'Leary  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 29, 2023 11:50:19 GMT -8
Fly, Brooks was a solid coach, and maybe gets credit for hole’s rise, but never forget the only reason they are a “brand” is uncle Phil. Famously after the cotton bowl loss in the mid 90’s, Phil stepped up and asked Rich what is was going to take. The rest is disgusting history. Rich was gone to the NFL after their 95 Rose Bowl. Aliotti was HC for 96 Cotton Bowl throttling by Neuweasel. |
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Post by bennysdentist on Jul 29, 2023 12:10:48 GMT -8
You’re partially right. It wasn’t Brooks, it was Bellotti. My bad
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 29, 2023 12:20:34 GMT -8
I'm with you. I'll be in the minority here, but I'd rather move toward a MWC type existence than as a super conference member. Just more fun, better chance for programs to excel and add as tough as NC as they choose. The media $ might cause some ripples, but we'd have to actually see. I've been in favor of a D1-A and D1-B type setup. Let the big time NIL and budgets fight it out. I'm all for being in the fight for biggest fish in smaller pond. If we were just talking football, then maybe. If we are talking basketball, then YES. But baseball? Please don't hamper our baseball program. It just really sucks that this has to occur right now as the football program is finding success and recognition once again. I find it hard to believe that the Pac will fold. Too much history. Too much past. Too geographically important. It doesn't have to hamper any program. It will mean the baseball scheduling would have to improve in terms of NC teams. Right now the majority of OSU's RPI/respect comes from the Pac12 elite (bottom of the conference not so much). OSU can play a MWC conference schedule and schedule former Pac12 elites plus other better teams. A better NC schedule would be welcome. OSU would still be OSU. The baseball respect would not disappear. |
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Post by grayman on Jul 29, 2023 12:35:59 GMT -8
As far as stress level, I would say as a college football/sports fan it's fairly high.
All this stuff is not important in the overall scheme of things but I would hope that most of us separate the two in our lives even if it doesn't always come through all that well when posting on a sports message board.
But yeah...if the Pac dies it will be extremely rough for Oregon State athletics. Baseball probably is in the best position to continue thriving. It will be difficult for most programs to retain coaches and money will be even harder to find.
It can't be overemphasized that OSU membership in the Pac-12 has been the all-encompassing foundation for athletics.
So...pretty darn stressful.
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 13:12:18 GMT -8
If we were just talking football, then maybe. If we are talking basketball, then YES. But baseball? Please don't hamper our baseball program. It just really sucks that this has to occur right now as the football program is finding success and recognition once again. I find it hard to believe that the Pac will fold. Too much history. Too much past. Too geographically important. It doesn't have to hamper any program. It will mean the baseball scheduling would have to improve in terms of NC teams. Right now the majority of OSU's RPI/respect comes from the Pac12 elite (bottom of the conference not so much). OSU can play a MWC conference schedule and schedule former Pac12 elites plus other better teams. A better NC schedule would be welcome. OSU would still be OSU. The baseball respect would not disappear. As it is, we could barely compete with LSU's almighty NIT funds. Do you think that will improve if we drop down a level? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 13:41:02 GMT -8
It doesn't have to hamper any program. It will mean the baseball scheduling would have to improve in terms of NC teams. Right now the majority of OSU's RPI/respect comes from the Pac12 elite (bottom of the conference not so much). OSU can play a MWC conference schedule and schedule former Pac12 elites plus other better teams. A better NC schedule would be welcome. OSU would still be OSU. The baseball respect would not disappear. As it is, we could barely compete with LSU's almighty NIT funds. Do you think that will improve if we drop down a level? NIT funds? Yes, we lost Skenes, but we have a high reputation and that would be the least affected sport if we we down a league. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 14:18:40 GMT -8
As it is, we could barely compete with LSU's almighty NIT funds. Do you think that will improve if we drop down a level? NIT funds? Yes, we lost Skenes, but we have a high reputation and that would be the least affected sport if we we down a league. brain fart. Meant NIL. They’re bought their players over there to the tune of $8 million, I think. Remember? We’ll lose revenue from TV and the league. Our bowl games will bring in less. We will be on a much tighter budget. And talent will follow the money—coaches and players. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 29, 2023 14:29:04 GMT -8
It doesn't have to hamper any program. It will mean the baseball scheduling would have to improve in terms of NC teams. Right now the majority of OSU's RPI/respect comes from the Pac12 elite (bottom of the conference not so much). OSU can play a MWC conference schedule and schedule former Pac12 elites plus other better teams. A better NC schedule would be welcome. OSU would still be OSU. The baseball respect would not disappear. As it is, we could barely compete with LSU's almighty NIT funds. Do you think that will improve if we drop down a level? OSU will never compete with SEC NIL $ or in any other financial aspect. No matter the conference. And, drop down a level? If the Pac12 invites MWC teams or it's basically the same. Especially if multiple teams are included. If the Pac12 disbanded and the MWC rebranded with Pac12 teams they'd prob be the other P5 conference? But, either way. Conference affiliation isn't ever going to get OSU to the big boy level in money. Might as well get use to that fact. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 29, 2023 14:32:33 GMT -8
Fly, Brooks was a solid coach, and maybe gets credit for hole’s rise, but never forget the only reason they are a “brand” is uncle Phil. Famously after the cotton bowl loss in the mid 90’s, Phil stepped up and asked Rich what is was going to take. The rest is disgusting history. Brooks played, and coached at OSU. We let him go to hole......that's my main point. That, and the guy we hired instead won 10 games in 4 years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 14:36:53 GMT -8
NIT funds? Yes, we lost Skenes, but we have a high reputation and that would be the least affected sport if we we down a league. brain fart. Meant NIL. They’re bought their players over there to the tune of $8 million, I think. Remember? We’ll lose revenue from TV and the league. Our bowl games will bring in less. We will be on a much tighter budget. And talent will follow the money—coaches and players. Bowl games don’t bring in crap unless you make it to the playoffs. Most of the teams spend almost every dime they make from a bowl appearance. And, the trickle down effect will be minor for baseball. There’s a reason the Coastal Carolinas of the world can be competitive in baseball. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 14:40:12 GMT -8
Fly, Brooks was a solid coach, and maybe gets credit for hole’s rise, but never forget the only reason they are a “brand” is uncle Phil. Famously after the cotton bowl loss in the mid 90’s, Phil stepped up and asked Rich what is was going to take. The rest is disgusting history. Brooks played, and coached at OSU. We let him go to hole......that's my main point. That, and the guy we hired instead won 10 games in 4 years. Brooks had a losing record at uo and they named their field after him. In today’s environment, he would have been canned before he ever got to that Rose Bowl. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 29, 2023 16:03:25 GMT -8
NIT funds? Yes, we lost Skenes, but we have a high reputation and that would be the least affected sport if we we down a league. brain fart. Meant NIL. They’re bought their players over there to the tune of $8 million, I think. Remember? We’ll lose revenue from TV and the league. Our bowl games will bring in less. We will be on a much tighter budget. And talent will follow the money—coaches and players. I have no idea, none, where you pull those $8 mil #s from?? First, baseball nation wide gets about 6% of all NIL $ at each school. Football is a bit 38%. Of course these studies aren't an exact science. And, the numbers you threw out are from word-of-mouth BS sources who revel in just that. Second, a very in depth article during the CWS did a deep dive, trying to be more accurate as Collectives would allow and using players for some info. SEC programs average $1-2 mil TOTAL for baseball. LSU was more... but not 4+ times more! And, their collectives (biz & fan donated) give far less to baseball than football. No matter what you want to believe, OSU will never be in that position unless some unknown future mega donor thinks that's how their $ should be spent. And, OSU's fan base at $10/month (like the LSU fan collective) will never be large enough to raise that kind of $. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 29, 2023 16:29:16 GMT -8
Brooks played, and coached at OSU. We let him go to hole......that's my main point. That, and the guy we hired instead won 10 games in 4 years. Brooks had a losing record at uo and they named their field after him. In today’s environment, he would have been canned before he ever got to that Rose Bowl. Context matters judge. Look at what they were before he got there. He was just under .500......Fertig was like .233 or something The two guys before Brooks won 15 games in 5 years.....Fertig territory |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 29, 2023 16:35:29 GMT -8
Brooks had a losing record at uo and they named their field after him. In today’s environment, he would have been canned before he ever got to that Rose Bowl. Context matters judge. Look at what they were before he got there. He was just under .500......Fertig was like .233 or something Fertig wishes. Fertig had a .189 winning percentage. |
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