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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 11:03:44 GMT -8
lol. Only one martial art. My handle is a reference to which. But within that martial art, you are trained in multi-disciplines. Correct? Disciplines? Hmmm. How do you define it?
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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 11:33:33 GMT -8
lol. Only one martial art. My handle is a reference to which. Well if you understand/practice the concepts of yin (tenkan) and yang (irimi) in Aikido you should be able to see how your initial post really has zero to do with topic that was being presented. The OP originally comparing the national champs of '22 (Ole Miss) to the current OSU team based solely on their records, or in Ole Miss's case a record worse than the '23 OSU team. Then following up that with he'll go with the team that believes over the one with talent. I thought it laughable that a known CWS winner was being compared to a OSU team who could not win a game it is own conference tourney just because of the records. My point being that both dugouts/teams believe they will succeed. That both teams and every player in both dugouts "believe" or they would not be D1 players. And, since OSU lost both this week it doesn't mean they didn't believe. Kwan's individual story and supporting a team has very little to do with that specific discussion. However, you immediately posted a seemingly angry reply (then another) about Kwan's journey and understanding the players we support. I'm not sure if you practice modern or Yoshinkan(?), but in either the practice of irimi is supposed to help you develop "Hara". And in many posts you practice neither balance or groundedness! As isn't the primary goal in the practice to overcome one's self? And,, to not promote violence or aggression?? Your understanding of irimi and tenkan as yin and yang is elementary. There is no tenkan without irimi. Physically, one cannot simply retreat without being destroyed. But I will grant you that in very limited ways you are correct about irimi and tenkan. But it's like trying to paint the Mona Lisa with a paint sprayer. I said in my post that you reacted to that I had not followed the argument. I was simply agreeing with how important the spirit is in the game. We saw the swings even in 2018; go back and watch the game against UW in Omaha. The Beavs were in a funk until after the rain break. Every team goes into the game believing that they will succeed and that they are ready. There is no disputing that. But my post about how at some point, the mental preparedness looms heavy in athletics. Gone are the days when your skill is enough to get the win. It's mental fortitude and spirit and believing in yourself and your team. I believed Kwan was the key to our 2018 Championship. All throughout the year, he was the one player that brought energy and lifted everybody up. You can see it in his cheering during the Championship games which he couldn't play. Never would I have guessed that Kwan suffered all that time from the idea that he wasn't worthy to be there. But he did. And obviously he belonged there. You really should watch the interview. I think it was made when he moved up to Cleveland as a rookie and he turned so many heads. Then extrapolate that information. If Kwan suffered, who else? And you'll see that these are just kids who are in pretty deep. How they handle it, how their cultivate their spirit, is very important. Canham frequently talks about how guys recover (or not) from slip ups on the field. Watch for it. You'll see who gets down and who bounces right back. Pitchers, especially. If you go back and read the exchange, I had not attacked you. I simple agreed with a statement in a reply of a person you were arguing with. Then you attacked me. So don't act innocent. My replies have had substance, plus a little dig at the end because you have initiated the attack. Your replies have been attacks. Finally, please don't try to understand Aikido with a cursory glance and then try to use it against me. It makes you look awfully foolish. "modern Aikido"? The Founder died within my lifetime. It isn't an old art. And what you know about the nuances of balance and attack is limited to a simple Google search, not decades on the mat. You started with the symbol of Yin and Yang, so let me finish my post with it. You are probably familiar with the actual picture, but you have to remember that yin and yang are always flowing, one into the other, and that within yin there is yang and within yang there is yin. How do you separate attack from defense? How do you separate peace from violence? How do you separate ego from non-ego? Non-dualism. Put another way, my teacher once said that you cannot ask for peace from a point of weakness. Think about it.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 26, 2023 11:48:12 GMT -8
Take it to the martial arts board!
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Post by rgeorge on May 26, 2023 11:50:04 GMT -8
Well if you understand/practice the concepts of yin (tenkan) and yang (irimi) in Aikido you should be able to see how your initial post really has zero to do with topic that was being presented. The OP originally comparing the national champs of '22 (Ole Miss) to the current OSU team based solely on their records, or in Ole Miss's case a record worse than the '23 OSU team. Then following up that with he'll go with the team that believes over the one with talent. I thought it laughable that a known CWS winner was being compared to a OSU team who could not win a game it is own conference tourney just because of the records. My point being that both dugouts/teams believe they will succeed. That both teams and every player in both dugouts "believe" or they would not be D1 players. And, since OSU lost both this week it doesn't mean they didn't believe. Kwan's individual story and supporting a team has very little to do with that specific discussion. However, you immediately posted a seemingly angry reply (then another) about Kwan's journey and understanding the players we support. I'm not sure if you practice modern or Yoshinkan(?), but in either the practice of irimi is supposed to help you develop "Hara". And in many posts you practice neither balance or groundedness! As isn't the primary goal in the practice to overcome one's self? And,, to not promote violence or aggression?? Your understanding of irimi and tenkan as yin and yang is elementary. There is no tenkan without irimi. Physically, one cannot simply retreat without being destroyed. But I will grant you that in very limited ways you are correct about irimi and tenkan. But it's like trying to paint the Mona Lisa with a paint sprayer. I said in my post that you reacted to that I had not followed the argument. I was simply agreeing with how important the spirit is in the game. We saw the swings even in 2018; go back and watch the game against UW in Omaha. The Beavs were in a funk until after the rain break. Every team goes into the game believing that they will succeed and that they are ready. There is no disputing that. But my post about how at some point, the mental preparedness looms heavy in athletics. Gone are the days when your skill is enough to get the win. It's mental fortitude and spirit and believing in yourself and your team. I believed Kwan was the key to our 2018 Championship. All throughout the year, he was the one player that brought energy and lifted everybody up. You can see it in his cheering during the Championship games which he couldn't play. Never would I have guessed that Kwan suffered all that time from the idea that he wasn't worthy to be there. But he did. And obviously he belonged there. You really should watch the interview. I think it was made when he moved up to Cleveland as a rookie and he turned so many heads. Then extrapolate that information. If Kwan suffered, who else? And you'll see that these are just kids who are in pretty deep. How they handle it, how their cultivate their spirit, is very important. Canham frequently talks about how guys recover (or not) from slip ups on the field. Watch for it. You'll see who gets down and who bounces right back. Pitchers, especially. If you go back and read the exchange, I had not attacked you. I simple agreed with a statement in a reply of a person you were arguing with. Then you attacked me. So don't act innocent. My replies have had substance, plus a little dig at the end because you have initiated the attack. Your replies have been attacks. Finally, please don't try to understand Aikido with a cursory glance and then try to use it against me. It makes you look awfully foolish. "modern Aikido"? The Founder died within my lifetime. It isn't an old art. And what you know about the nuances of balance and attack is limited to a simple Google search, not decades on the mat. You started with the symbol of Yin and Yang, so let me finish my post with it. You are probably familiar with the actual picture, but you have to remember that yin and yang are always flowing, one into the other, and that within yin there is yang and within yang there is yin. How do you separate attack from defense? How do you separate peace from violence? How do you separate ego from non-ego? Non-dualism. Put another way, my teacher once said that you cannot ask for peace from a point of weakness. Think about it. LOL... my initial reply to your first post: "Lol... so one dugout doesn't believe? Guess the entire theory of "float with them" didn't apply last night? So far today? I'm pretty sure... positive both dugouts in college baseball believe... as a team and individuals. Or else they'd not be at this level. Too bad your philosophies don't hold. As I believe that every swing on the golf course will have a positive result! 🙄" Attacked huh??? And, your next reply... "Did you ever learn about what Kwan was dealing with while he was a Beaver? You should. Then you'll start to appreciate that at a certain level of ability, the defining character is mental toughness. Your golf game? Hell, I've heard you have a hard time getting anything into a hole." Again Kwan has zero to do with the conversation/situation and you seem to have real issue with self evaluation. And, my knowledge is a bit more than elementary... as your "teacher" must have strayed of the primary focus of defense while protecting one's attacker from injury. The well being of an aggressor is suppose to be the focus no matter the interpretation of any "teacher". But, true to your moniker you do "enter" a fray... but self control seems to have slipped your grasp! Blame the teacher I guess... Again... another poor animal abused. Continue on... can't wait.
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Post by zeroposter on May 26, 2023 12:00:50 GMT -8
But within that martial art, you are trained in multi-disciplines. Correct? Disciplines? Hmmm. How do you define it? In this case, maybe “approach” might be a better term. Unless I misread, when you returned from Japan, you joined a group that essentially took a very passive approach to self defense. It was an “approach” that you somewhat(or strongly) disagreed with. I may have misinterpreted the item entirely. I know I took the thread way off track, and I apologize to others, but I have a fascination with this. Sorry to the other posters.
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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 12:10:22 GMT -8
Disciplines? Hmmm. How do you define it? In this case, maybe “approach” might be a better term. Unless I misread, when you returned from Japan, you joined a group that essentially took a very passive approach to self defense. It was an “approach” that you somewhat(or strongly) disagreed with. I may have misinterpreted the item entirely. I know I took the thread way off track, and I apologize to others, but I have a fascination with this. Sorry to the other posters. Different styles sure. And within Aikido there are techniques with weapons, like the wooden staff, the sword, and the knife, both against another weapon and disarming. Yes, the approaches from different teachers can be quite jarring. I've come to learn that everyone sees the art as an extension of themselves and that my ideas of what it should be and should look like have been influenced by who I am and my past teachers. It's very interesting to me. Thanks for asking. And sorry for taking the thread further away from baseball.
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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 12:26:33 GMT -8
Your understanding of irimi and tenkan as yin and yang is elementary. There is no tenkan without irimi. Physically, one cannot simply retreat without being destroyed. But I will grant you that in very limited ways you are correct about irimi and tenkan. But it's like trying to paint the Mona Lisa with a paint sprayer. I said in my post that you reacted to that I had not followed the argument. I was simply agreeing with how important the spirit is in the game. We saw the swings even in 2018; go back and watch the game against UW in Omaha. The Beavs were in a funk until after the rain break. Every team goes into the game believing that they will succeed and that they are ready. There is no disputing that. But my post about how at some point, the mental preparedness looms heavy in athletics. Gone are the days when your skill is enough to get the win. It's mental fortitude and spirit and believing in yourself and your team. I believed Kwan was the key to our 2018 Championship. All throughout the year, he was the one player that brought energy and lifted everybody up. You can see it in his cheering during the Championship games which he couldn't play. Never would I have guessed that Kwan suffered all that time from the idea that he wasn't worthy to be there. But he did. And obviously he belonged there. You really should watch the interview. I think it was made when he moved up to Cleveland as a rookie and he turned so many heads. Then extrapolate that information. If Kwan suffered, who else? And you'll see that these are just kids who are in pretty deep. How they handle it, how their cultivate their spirit, is very important. Canham frequently talks about how guys recover (or not) from slip ups on the field. Watch for it. You'll see who gets down and who bounces right back. Pitchers, especially. If you go back and read the exchange, I had not attacked you. I simple agreed with a statement in a reply of a person you were arguing with. Then you attacked me. So don't act innocent. My replies have had substance, plus a little dig at the end because you have initiated the attack. Your replies have been attacks. Finally, please don't try to understand Aikido with a cursory glance and then try to use it against me. It makes you look awfully foolish. "modern Aikido"? The Founder died within my lifetime. It isn't an old art. And what you know about the nuances of balance and attack is limited to a simple Google search, not decades on the mat. You started with the symbol of Yin and Yang, so let me finish my post with it. You are probably familiar with the actual picture, but you have to remember that yin and yang are always flowing, one into the other, and that within yin there is yang and within yang there is yin. How do you separate attack from defense? How do you separate peace from violence? How do you separate ego from non-ego? Non-dualism. Put another way, my teacher once said that you cannot ask for peace from a point of weakness. Think about it. LOL... my initial reply to your first post: "Lol... so one dugout doesn't believe? Guess the entire theory of "float with them" didn't apply last night? So far today? I'm pretty sure... positive both dugouts in college baseball believe... as a team and individuals. Or else they'd not be at this level. Too bad your philosophies don't hold. As I believe that every swing on the golf course will have a positive result! 🙄" Attacked huh??? And, your next reply... "Did you ever learn about what Kwan was dealing with while he was a Beaver? You should. Then you'll start to appreciate that at a certain level of ability, the defining character is mental toughness. Your golf game? Hell, I've heard you have a hard time getting anything into a hole." Again Kwan has zero to do with the conversation/situation and you seem to have real issue with self evaluation. And, my knowledge is a bit more than elementary... as your "teacher" must have strayed of the primary focus of defense while protecting one's attacker from injury. The well being of an aggressor is suppose to be the focus no matter the interpretation of any "teacher". But, true to your moniker you do "enter" a fray... but self control seems to have slipped your grasp! Blame the teacher I guess... Again... another poor animal abused. Continue on... can't wait. So why did you respond to my post at all? You conveniently didn't quote it here...the part where I explicitly wrote that I wasn't following the argument. Your problem is that you are inflexible. A word only means what you want it to mean and if another person uses it differently, then you claim that they are wrong and you don't bother to listen to the reasoning. As for the joke about getting any balls in holes, s%#t man, if you're offended by that, go back to junior high school. My teacher was not wrong. Tell me which part of what he said goes against the principle you just referred to? I'm serious. When the attacker has a knife in your back, how do you stand a chance of negotiating peace? You are exposing yourself precisely as a person who knows nothing about the art and nothing about martial arts in general. Perhaps you have tried a class or two and quit, but you haven't put in the work and you haven't got the experience. Save yourself the egg on your face and just be quiet. I know that you don't care about these things and that your purpose on the board is to create chaos and cause distress. That's why your previous incarnations were banned. Yet you continue.
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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 12:27:23 GMT -8
Take it to the martial arts board! It's broken!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 26, 2023 12:49:26 GMT -8
Ole Miss did not win a game in the 2022 SEC tournament.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 26, 2023 12:57:26 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 26, 2023 13:09:13 GMT -8
Ole Miss did not win a game in the 2022 SEC tournament. Yeah cause they sucked!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 26, 2023 22:12:33 GMT -8
Ole Miss did not win a game in the 2022 SEC tournament. Last team in. They got the 2007 Oregon State treatment. The Committee threw them into a Tropical Storm with an ACC host. And what does not kill you........
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