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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 6, 2023 8:49:57 GMT -8
Wow spoken like a guy under complete control. As I have said over and over I don't dislike tinkle. I think we can do better as a coach. As far as rueck his record over the past 6 or so years has steadily declined. If you are satisfied with that then so be it.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Apr 6, 2023 9:14:18 GMT -8
This is why I rarely post. These threads simply become a case of someone having to be right rather than the actual subject at hand.
s%#t is just getting old. Literally telling someone they are using a word incorrectly and then looking up the definition in the dictionary to prove the point? SERIOSULY? is it really that important.?
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 6, 2023 10:14:47 GMT -8
There you go again. Using a word incorrectly again. So your argument is if a person doesn't like the coaching of a certain person it has nothing to do with that coach's abilities or records it has everything to do with hate. Don't understand the personal attacks but you be you. The Oxford-American Dictionary defines hatred: "to dislike somebody/something very much." Yes, hatred is the appropriate word. Your obsessive hatred of Tinkle may be evidence of emotional issues that should be addressed by a qualified professional. Also, lately, you've started the same obsessive need to express your "dislike" of Reuck and, more recently, Canham. If you're unable to handle criticism when you post your s%$t, don't post it. Speaking of definitions... and those that fittingly represent: Dogge...
1) an ordinary dog; 2) (derogatory... which fits most of the moniker's posts) a worthless or detestable person; wretch. Speaking of "emotional issues that should be addressed by a qualified professional"... yikes! The poster child would know. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Apr 6, 2023 10:24:53 GMT -8
This is why I rarely post. These threads simply become a case of someone having to be right rather than the actual subject at hand. s%#t is just getting old. Literally telling someone they are using a word incorrectly and then looking up the definition in the dictionary to prove the point? SERIOSULY? is it really that important.? Looks like I spelled seriously wrong. Sure I'll get corrected for that. lol |
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Post by nabeav on Apr 6, 2023 10:26:35 GMT -8
GT was unquestionably one of our most important players this year.....going forward I'm not sure that was going to be the case. While his PPG increased (from 6.9 to 11.6) from his freshman to sophomore years, his FG% dropped from .482 to .431. He did shoot slightly better on 3's, but his 3's per game only increased from 0.5 per game to 0.6. He went from having a positive assist to turnover ratio to a negative one.
All this kind of signals to me that he was not going to do better as a focal point of the offense....rather, he was best utilized as a secondary piece. Due to the inexperience on this year's roster, he had to shoulder more of an offensive burden than I think his game is equipped for. With the continued development of guys like Bilodeau and Rataj, I'm thinking he was maybe going to be (or perhaps already was) asked to play as more of a supporting cast member going forward.
Not saying that Taylor couldn't have continued to develop as well, but I didn't see a huge growth in his game from year to year....just more volume/time on the ball.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2023 10:44:00 GMT -8
WSU hasn't been to the NCAA tournament since 2008. What's the problem? Stanford hasn't been to the NCAA once under Haase. Oops. Hopkins got UW into it once and got bounced. Ouch. So in your world winning 1/3 of league games will forever be ok because tinkle was the coach when the team put together a really good three week stretch. How long does that gold star last? A lifetime?  You are both moving the goalposts and lying with numbers. The simple fact of the matter is that there has been more positive than negative over the past nine years. You have five above average seasons to pair with a three below average seasons and a meh season. And on top of that, he has an Elite Eight! A once in a sixty-year event at this point. We do not have the money to support the team to realistically expect more than we have received from Tinkle at this point. Fixate on the limited negative to wash out the more than enough positive, if you wish. Unless your next sentence is something to the effect of, "I have $10 million to fix this," I disagree with your conclusion. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2023 11:00:50 GMT -8
After 7 years at Stanford, Haase is at .450. Get rid of him. Kyle Smith at WSU: .455 Fire him. MIke Hopkins at UW: .455 Terminate him. All three have better winning percentages than our guy. Your glib response notwithstanding, two of the three have done much less with much more monetary support. If I were at Stanford or Washington, I would be upset with how poorly the team has performed, especially Washington. That team is dull to watch. Kyle Smith just might be a great coach to immediately turn Wazzu around like he has. |
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Post by blackbug on Apr 6, 2023 11:15:08 GMT -8
This is why I rarely post. These threads simply become a case of someone having to be right rather than the actual subject at hand. s%#t is just getting old. Literally telling someone they are using a word incorrectly and then looking up the definition in the dictionary to prove the point? SERIOSULY? is it really that important.? Looks like I spelled seriously wrong. Sure I'll get corrected for that. lol How dare you!!!  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2023 11:17:52 GMT -8
This is fascinating! Watching how the portal affects different sports at OSU, we can see... ...that our up-and-coming football program has attracted some top talent. ...that our esteemed baseball program loses decent players who want more playing time at other schools. ...that our weak basketball team can't keep strong players long enough to gain traction and forward momentum. It's interesting to me. But I don't like thinking that next year will be another year of rebuilding. We're getting to be like the Blazers.Taking the Blazers to their best five-year run in the last 45 years, and the Blazers fired Adelman. Then, Adelman haunted the Blazers for years, turning the Kings into the early 2000 Kings. And then, the Kings were stupid enough to do the exact same thing and are just now making it back to the playoffs for the first time since 2006. Not learning from their mistakes, the Blazers allowed Stotts to rebuild and then make the playoffs eight consecutive years, and the Blazers fired Stotts, just to hire Chauncy Billups? You reap what you sow. We deserve what we are getting with the Blazers. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 6, 2023 11:24:24 GMT -8
GT was unquestionably one of our most important players this year.....going forward I'm not sure that was going to be the case. While his PPG increased (from 6.9 to 11.6) from his freshman to sophomore years, his FG% dropped from .482 to .431. He did shoot slightly better on 3's, but his 3's per game only increased from 0.5 per game to 0.6. He went from having a positive assist to turnover ratio to a negative one. All this kind of signals to me that he was not going to do better as a focal point of the offense....rather, he was best utilized as a secondary piece. Due to the inexperience on this year's roster, he had to shoulder more of an offensive burden than I think his game is equipped for. With the continued development of guys like Bilodeau and Rataj, I'm thinking he was maybe going to be (or perhaps already was) asked to play as more of a supporting cast member going forward. Not saying that Taylor couldn't have continued to develop as well, but I didn't see a huge growth in his game from year to year....just more volume/time on the ball. In actuality, of course my opinion, the roster is pretty weak. The only player that WT could ill afford to lose was Pope. Everyone else is replaceable. Yet, as stated above there is little evidence that a player of GT's ability at the P5 level can be secured. Also, GT represents one of the best HS recruits WT was able to land, and now as is the current situation in college sports he's off to another roster. To me the WT portal experience has really been a net negative (and it is not a comparison to other teams). No stars were landed... but, how many lower tier P5 teams land one?! Many transfers had "moments" and contributed in big games. But, only Alatishe was fairly consistent albeit very one dimensional, as was Calloo in terms of being very streaky. Transfer, portal or others, have been mostly lower tier players who had minimal, if any impact at their former stops, and really not much in their overall careers at OSU. All would have been nice cogs on teams with a established star/leaders(s). But, unfortunately ET was the last of those. Overall, it just seems the transfers never fit a defined role of building a complete roster. More like this is the best guys we can get and let's make do. Folks can compare WT to other coaches all they want... past and present... but, the issue is what is going on at Oregon State, now. For WT to succeed at this level he needs to be able to recruit at a higher level than he has shown he is capable. Again, comparing recruiting to an OSU program to other schools is not the point. WT has not been able to recruit, HS or transfers, at a level that will offer the opportunity for the hoops program to be more competitive in the Pac12. He is solidly entrenched (9) years in and there has been absolutely zero improvement in the overall recruiting and simply no sign it will ever change. Some folks keep fostering the idea that the state of the MBB program is inevitable, and there is little reason to seek change, because, well look at everyone else. Some fans (and admin) really do not care about "everyone else", they want OSU to strive to be better. And when after (9) full seasons the program shows signs of regression in key areas... well, it is time to stop and seriously reevaluate. That is the reality of the coaching profession. As a coach you are to deal with and overcome a program's potential negatives, and win. Coaches know the landscape, and all the limitations/excuses offered here do not keep them from accepting jobs, nor will they be of use in keeping one. Opinions on this board definitely vary, but if yours is that WT is a good coach great. But, stop using multiple excuses to rationalize his overall record. It is EXACTLY what it says it is, and giving up multiple excuses only indicates the guy is not able to overcome those supposed limitations. Hence, a very good reason to try and find someone who can overcome these supposed negatives. The other issue that seems to pop up is the money. Again, not the issue. After (9) full seasons at the helm do you think WT is a good coach? The hiring/firing/money crap is a Admin discussion if and when they decide to have it. |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 6, 2023 11:54:49 GMT -8
GT was unquestionably one of our most important players this year.....going forward I'm not sure that was going to be the case. While his PPG increased (from 6.9 to 11.6) from his freshman to sophomore years, his FG% dropped from .482 to .431. He did shoot slightly better on 3's, but his 3's per game only increased from 0.5 per game to 0.6. He went from having a positive assist to turnover ratio to a negative one. All this kind of signals to me that he was not going to do better as a focal point of the offense....rather, he was best utilized as a secondary piece. Due to the inexperience on this year's roster, he had to shoulder more of an offensive burden than I think his game is equipped for. With the continued development of guys like Bilodeau and Rataj, I'm thinking he was maybe going to be (or perhaps already was) asked to play as more of a supporting cast member going forward. Not saying that Taylor couldn't have continued to develop as well, but I didn't see a huge growth in his game from year to year....just more volume/time on the ball. In actuality, of course my opinion, the roster is pretty weak. The only player that WT could ill afford to lose was Pope. Everyone else is replaceable. Yet, as stated above there is little evidence that a player of GT's ability at the P5 level can be secured. Also, GT represents one of the best HS recruits WT was able to land, and now as is the current situation in college sports he's off to another roster. To me the WT portal experience has really been a net negative (and it is not a comparison to other teams). No stars were landed... but, how many lower tier P5 teams land one?! Many transfers had "moments" and contributed in big games. But, only Alatishe was fairly consistent albeit very one dimensional, as was Calloo in terms of being very streaky. Transfer, portal or others, have been mostly lower tier players who had minimal, if any impact at their former stops, and really not much in their overall careers at OSU. All would have been nice cogs on teams with a established star/leaders(s). But, unfortunately ET was the last of those. Overall, it just seems the transfers never fit a defined role of building a complete roster. More like this is the best guys we can get and let's make do. Folks can compare WT to other coaches all they want... past and present... but, the issue is what is going on at Oregon State, now. For WT to succeed at this level he needs to be able to recruit at a higher level than he has shown he is capable. Again, comparing recruiting to an OSU program to other schools is not the point. WT has not been able to recruit, HS or transfers, at a level that will offer the opportunity for the hoops program to be more competitive in the Pac12. He is solidly entrenched (9) years in and there has been absolutely zero improvement in the overall recruiting and simply no sign it will ever change. Some folks keep fostering the idea that the state of the MBB program is inevitable, and there is little reason to seek change, because, well look at everyone else. Some fans (and admin) really do not care about "everyone else", they want OSU to strive to be better. And when after (9) full seasons the program shows signs of regression in key areas... well, it is time to stop and seriously reevaluate. That is the reality of the coaching profession. As a coach you are to deal with and overcome a program's potential negatives, and win. Coaches know the landscape, and all the limitations/excuses offered here do not keep them from accepting jobs, nor will they be of use in keeping one. Opinions on this board definitely vary, but if yours is that WT is a good coach great. But, stop using multiple excuses to rationalize his overall record. It is EXACTLY what it says it is, and giving up multiple excuses only indicates the guy is not able to overcome those supposed limitations. Hence, a very good reason to try and find someone who can overcome these supposed negatives. The other issue that seems to pop up is the money. Again, not the issue. After (9) full seasons at the helm do you think WT is a good coach? The hiring/firing/money crap is a Admin discussion if and when they decide to have it. It's close to all about money. For the sake of arguement, let's assume Dan Hurley is the best collegiate basketball coach in the USA. I'll make a guess that Oregon State's player payroll is 250k. I have zero idea if that is accurate. But Hurley will not win here with that payroll. Now if Hurley is the #1 guy, he will fundraise and get OSU's payroll to (let's say) $2M. All of a sudden Hurley will start winning big. In a sense this is what Pat Casey did but with facilities rather than payroll. I don't believe OSU's admin is doing a great or even a good job at finding money to pay players. To be a consistent top 25 team, the payroll needs to be somewhere in the vicinity of the top 25. Is WT the guy to do that (raise the money)? My thought is probably not. But he's not a bad coach. Of the 75 or so P6 schools, he may be ranked in the 50's. If you look at all 355 D1 schools, I think he is top half. To sum up, no one will win here if our player payroll is 11 or 12 in the Pac12. Following up, the NCAA needs to get off their a$s, and try to make NameImageLikeness exactly that and not pay for play. |
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Post by jdogge on Apr 6, 2023 13:42:58 GMT -8
The Oxford-American Dictionary defines hatred: "to dislike somebody/something very much." Yes, hatred is the appropriate word. Your obsessive hatred of Tinkle may be evidence of emotional issues that should be addressed by a qualified professional. Also, lately, you've started the same obsessive need to express your "dislike" of Reuck and, more recently, Canham. If you're unable to handle criticism when you post your s%$t, don't post it. Speaking of definitions... and those that fittingly represent: Dogge...
1) an ordinary dog; 2) (derogatory... which fits most of the moniker's posts) a worthless or detestable person; wretch. Speaking of "emotional issues that should be addressed by a qualified professional"... yikes! The poster child would know. Was I speaking to you? Nope. Why are you so defensive of him? Is there a relationship we don't know about? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2023 14:35:17 GMT -8
Taking the Blazers to their best five-year run in the last 45 years, and the Blazers fired Adelman. Then, Adelman haunted the Blazers for years, turning the Kings into the early 2000 Kings. And then, the Kings were stupid enough to do the exact same thing and are just now making it back to the playoffs for the first time since 2006. Not learning from their mistakes, the Blazers allowed Stotts to rebuild and then make the playoffs eight consecutive years, and the Blazers fired Stotts, just to hire Chauncy Billups? You reap what you sow. We deserve what we are getting with the Blazers. Blazers strategy is to get the first pick....and once again do in wrong! The Blazers lost the coin flip in 1984 and drafted second. Except for Walton, the Blazers never get a top-two pick right. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2023 14:49:24 GMT -8
The Blazers lost the coin flip in 1984 and drafted second. Except for Walton, the Blazers never get a top-two pick right. 2007 picked Oden over Durant with #1 pick In 1984, the Blazers lost the coin flip to the Rockets, who picked Olajuwon. The Blazers then chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Alvin Robertson, Otis Thorpe, and John Stockton. The Blazers also went Mychal Thompson with the #1 overall pick over Larry Bird in the 1978 NBA Draft. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 6, 2023 14:55:24 GMT -8
2007 picked Oden over Durant with #1 pick In 1984, the Blazers lost the coin flip to the Rockets, who picked Olajuwon. The Blazers then chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Alvin Robertson, Otis Thorpe, and John Stockton. The Blazers also went Mychal Thompson with the #1 overall pick over Larry Bird in the 1978 NBA Draft. Your missing one more. 1972 1st pick....took Larue Martin over Bob McAdoo, Paul Westphal and Dr. J. |
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