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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 19, 2023 19:04:15 GMT -8
You are right. The Canham-Dorman combination, with a regional championship game (final 32 teams) and a Super Regional championship game (final 16) appearance in their first two full seasons, is doing much, much better than probably 250-300 college programs with coaches who never spent a day in pro baseball. "Incredible" talent? Two, maybe three starters on last year's team would have started on the 2017-18 teams, which did have incredible talent. Boyd would have played ahead of Anderson in the OF, Forrester ahead of Taylor at 1B. Meckler would have DHed, Hjerpe would have been a weekend rotation guy. That's about it. Ahhh... so incredible has to be the best or start on one of the best teams in program history? One could argue that '17-18 was one most talented rosters in history. If not the best. So, I guess '22's roster being one game from a WS and not winning it means they're just good? That the '22 team's production was very similar to '18 again means just good? Lol I guess since they were just, what? Good? Almost great? This season is just a reload then? Lol You said Canham and Dorman "were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons."We've all seen what "incredible talent" looks like, thanks to the 2017 and 2018 teams. Five have already made MLB and Heimlich probably would have at some point. That's "incredible" (by definition: extraordinary) talent. First-round draft picks. A No. 1 overall draft pick. A No. 4 overall draft pick. An AL ROY runner-up and third-place finisher. The best players on the 2021 and 2022 Beavers were very good college baseball players but were not "incredible talents," outside of perhaps Hjerpe, who will probably have an MLB career. Not sure who else, if anyone, from 2021 or 2022 will. lol yourself. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 19, 2023 19:17:02 GMT -8
I'm betting that Ben begged Dorman for another shot at them. Didn't work out. On the bright side, we might have the two toughest teams in the conference behind us. Plenty of baseball left! Wazzu's pitching fell apart against Oregon. The Ducks were able to get into the Cougs' bullpen, and Wazzu's bullpen consists of one guy and a lot of garbage. I think that the Cougs, with two former players, might be a bad matchup for the Beavs, but I don't believe that many other great conference teams are going to have the same problem. On the bright side, 2023 Wazzu is better than 2018 Utah, and 2018 Oregon State lost to 2018 Utah. I am hoping that we look back at 2023 Wazzu about the same way. I would also point out that Oregon State lost both series around the two Nevada games in 2018, as well. And Oregon State lost both the Utah and Arizona series in 2018 by more runs than Oregon State lost the Wazzu and Arizona series in 2023. The 2018 Beavs rebounded and went 25-4-1 over the next 30 en route to Omaha. Oregon State can still turn this around, but things do not look particularly great right now. I went back to look at the posts after the Arizona series in 2018. To summarize those posts: Coaching sucks. Only three players on the team can hit and Larnach was not among the three (Madrigal was still hurt at the time). Abel is a head case, has mechanical issues, and sucks. Mulholland sucks. Most of the rest of the bullpen with the possible exception of Eisert sucks. Things suck right now. But things can get dramatically better in a hurry. Know more on Tuesday. |
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Post by cake on Mar 19, 2023 19:19:25 GMT -8
Ahhh... so incredible has to be the best or start on one of the best teams in program history? One could argue that '17-18 was one most talented rosters in history. If not the best. So, I guess '22's roster being one game from a WS and not winning it means they're just good? That the '22 team's production was very similar to '18 again means just good? Lol I guess since they were just, what? Good? Almost great? This season is just a reload then? Lol You said Canham and Dorman "were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons."We've all seen what "incredible talent" looks like, thanks to the 2017 and 2018 teams. Five have already made MLB and Heimlich probably would have at some point. That's "incredible" (by definition: extraordinary) talent. First-round draft picks. A No. 1 overall draft pick. A No. 4 overall draft pick. An AL ROY runner-up and third-place finisher. The best players on the 2021 and 2022 Beavers were very good college baseball players but were not "incredible talents," outside of perhaps Hjerpe, who will probably have an MLB career. Not sure who else, if anyone, from 2021 or 2022 will. lol yourself. I get it, this feels like the dark days of Beavers Baseball. But this is a young team. We're going to get better for sure. There's a ton of young talent in this team and yeah, growing pains are going to suck. But this program will get there. |
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Post by ag87 on Mar 19, 2023 20:20:33 GMT -8
Ahhh... so incredible has to be the best or start on one of the best teams in program history? One could argue that '17-18 was one most talented rosters in history. If not the best. So, I guess '22's roster being one game from a WS and not winning it means they're just good? That the '22 team's production was very similar to '18 again means just good? Lol I guess since they were just, what? Good? Almost great? This season is just a reload then? Lol You said Canham and Dorman "were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons."We've all seen what "incredible talent" looks like, thanks to the 2017 and 2018 teams. Five have already made MLB and Heimlich probably would have at some point. That's "incredible" (by definition: extraordinary) talent. First-round draft picks. A No. 1 overall draft pick. A No. 4 overall draft pick. An AL ROY runner-up and third-place finisher. The best players on the 2021 and 2022 Beavers were very good college baseball players but were not "incredible talents," outside of perhaps Hjerpe, who will probably have an MLB career. Not sure who else, if anyone, from 2021 or 2022 will. lol yourself. I believe Melton will play in MLB. Meckler's got a good shot. He reminds me a lot of Kwan. Then maybe one more between Boyd, Logan, Pfennings, Carpenter. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2023 21:59:35 GMT -8
You said Canham and Dorman "were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons."We've all seen what "incredible talent" looks like, thanks to the 2017 and 2018 teams. Five have already made MLB and Heimlich probably would have at some point. That's "incredible" (by definition: extraordinary) talent. First-round draft picks. A No. 1 overall draft pick. A No. 4 overall draft pick. An AL ROY runner-up and third-place finisher. The best players on the 2021 and 2022 Beavers were very good college baseball players but were not "incredible talents," outside of perhaps Hjerpe, who will probably have an MLB career. Not sure who else, if anyone, from 2021 or 2022 will. lol yourself. I believe Melton will play in MLB. Meckler's got a good shot. He reminds me a lot of Kwan. Then maybe one more between Boyd, Logan, Pfennings, Carpenter. Agree... and I'll stick to my and many others in the definition of "incredible" and COLLEGE talent. It appears that stating that a coach had talent is somehow a diss?? Plus what players become after 4-5 years of pro development isn't part of that discussion. And, those that are only one year removed from OSU really haven't had the same development. But, most intelligent posters know that. This current roster reminds me little bit of the ugly start to the Covid season canceled before Pac12 play. Then the development into the teams of the last two seasons. |
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