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Post by chicagobeav on Mar 19, 2023 13:31:08 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th -
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 19, 2023 13:33:38 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - Lattery |
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Post by grackle on Mar 19, 2023 13:34:56 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... |
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 19, 2023 13:37:03 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - been some really strange usage out of the bullpen this season. Guys who are dealing getting yanked mid at bat, bad righty lefty matchups. Also for a group of coaches that believe in analytics, the lack of innings for Brown is disappointing. One of the tenets of analytics for pitching is that your best pitchers get as many innings as possible, the saving your closer for a situation that may or may not show up is out |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2023 13:37:56 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 19, 2023 13:39:41 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... Ferrer on the weekend: 1-2/3 ip 6 Hits 5 ER 1 SO 11 batters faced |
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Post by badwack on Mar 19, 2023 13:46:29 GMT -8
They used to say Hit for Show, Pitch for the Dough. In this series both failed us. Fact is we strike out way to often and I don't even know how many times in this game. Obviously Ferrer has not fully recovered from his illness.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 19, 2023 13:48:03 GMT -8
This loss is on the coaches - Ferrer was terrible Friday, put in Brown in 7th - Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Nobody ever showed up to any job knowing everything he/she needed to know on the first day. Every single freaking job in the world is a learn-as-you-go process. |
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Post by grackle on Mar 19, 2023 13:49:33 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. Maybe...but why use Ferrer only 48 hrs after being blasted by the same hitters he'd have to see again. ESPECIALLY when you've got reliable, unused relievers in the wings (Brown???, Lattery???). An argument can be made that the current coaching regime too often fails to get the most from the talent available to them. And I'm still not sure that they've fully realized that they're coaching the college game, not the pros. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 19, 2023 13:50:28 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. 1-1/2 years ? |
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Post by chicagobeav on Mar 19, 2023 13:52:34 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. No when you have someone struggling, you have a midweek game against Portland to maybe throw him out there - do not put him in a bases loaded situation- you have your closer - put him in - give your team the best shot at limiting the damage - but you put Ben out there again, he got hammered, and his pitches were terrible- right over the plate - now what have ya done to his confidence? |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2023 13:54:59 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... Ferrer on the weekend: 1-2/3 ip 6 Hits 5 ER 1 SO 11 batters faced All true... but, it's a team game. Not sure how much this game will skew the conference stats, but after 5 OSU is last in BA (will drop under .200), last in Ks (it'll be about 10/g and over 2:1 K:BB ratio). Staff allowing more hits than IP, ERA well over 5.00. Lots to improve on throughout this team. Including some weird coaching decisions that didn't work out. But, that is 20/20 hindsight. If Ben shuts down Furd folks on here are lauding the move and Ben's toughness to learn and bounce back. Players play. And, they had more than enough opportunities to excel and didn't. The worse thing in watching is that this Furd team doesn't look or feel as dominate as the last couple. They are very good, just don't see their pitching as elite. Nor do I see them as explosive as some past teams. Lots of Pac12 games left. At a 1-5 record OSU can't afford to lose too many more series. |
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Post by grackle on Mar 19, 2023 13:55:16 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Nobody ever showed up to any job knowing everything he/she needed to know on the first day. Every single freaking job in the world is a learn-as-you-go process. My point here, of course, is that the Canham/Dorman learning curve seems steeper than it should be. And too often lessons seem to have to be relearned. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2023 14:03:15 GMT -8
So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. Maybe...but why use Ferrer only 48 hrs after being blasted by the same hitters he'd have to see again. ESPECIALLY when you've got reliable, unused relievers in the wings (Brown???, Lattery???). An argument can be made that the current coaching regime too often fails to get the most from the talent available to them. And I'm still not sure that they've fully realized that they're coaching the college game, not the pros. Good lord. This coaching regime had us 1 game from the World Series last year. We lost all but 3 starters this year, including one of the best hitting outfields that we’ve ever had and you think the coaches are failures? We also lost a pitcher drafted in the first round. If you didn’t think this team was going to be worse than last year, you must be smoking something. And you don’t think other pitchers have a bad outing and then are called in to face the same team and have a better outing? Happens all the time. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2023 14:06:20 GMT -8
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Nobody ever showed up to any job knowing everything he/she needed to know on the first day. Every single freaking job in the world is a learn-as-you-go process. My point here, of course, is that the Canham/Dorman learning curve seems steeper than it should be. And too often lessons seem to have to be relearned. Agreed... and whether they'll admit it or not, some here insisted that managing minor leaguers was equivalent to coaching/leading a major college program. It isn't. MC and Dorman had a large learning curve and were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons. Yet even then both squads tailed off the last 18 or games of each season. This season the experience level dropped precipitously and everyone seems to be pressing/searching. The coaches aren't the real issue. The players haven't produced. The overall enthusiasm and attitudes are very up & down. Very much waiting for things to happen. |
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