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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2023 14:06:28 GMT -8
So he should never pitch against Stanford again after 1 bad outing? That’s not how baseball works. He’s been very good for the past 1 1/2 years. You don’t scrap him after 1 bad outing. No when you have someone struggling, you have a midweek game against Portland to maybe throw him out there - do not put him in a bases loaded situation- you have your closer - put him in - give your team the best shot at limiting the damage - but you put Ben out there again, he got hammered, and his pitches were terrible- right over the plate - now what have ya done to his confidence? He had one bad outing and he’s “struggling”. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2023 14:08:06 GMT -8
My point here, of course, is that the Canham/Dorman learning curve seems steeper than it should be. And too often lessons seem to have to be relearned. Agreed... and whether they'll admit it or not, some here insisted that managing minor leaguers was equivalent to coaching/leading a major college program. It isn't. MC and Dorman had a large learning curve and were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons. Yet even then both squads tailed off the last 18 or games of each season. This season the experience level dropped precipitously and everyone seems to be pressing/searching. Oh no, the mighty skullcap no-it-all has spoken. |
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 19, 2023 14:18:48 GMT -8
For stat geeks: last time we started 1-5 in conference?
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Post by bvogrande on Mar 19, 2023 14:19:32 GMT -8
I'm betting that Ben begged Dorman for another shot at them. Didn't work out. On the bright side, we might have the two toughest teams in the conference behind us. Plenty of baseball left!
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Post by badwack on Mar 19, 2023 14:45:17 GMT -8
Two toughest? Ducks look like they are going to take 2 of 3 from WSU.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2023 14:48:56 GMT -8
Two toughest? Ducks look like they are going to take 2 of 3 from WSU. Preseason polls are what they are, but WSU was picked 9th or so? Just need series wins. |
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Post by chicagobeav on Mar 19, 2023 14:50:24 GMT -8
No when you have someone struggling, you have a midweek game against Portland to maybe throw him out there - do not put him in a bases loaded situation- you have your closer - put him in - give your team the best shot at limiting the damage - but you put Ben out there again, he got hammered, and his pitches were terrible- right over the plate - now what have ya done to his confidence? He had one bad outing and he’s “struggling”. Yes, his pitches were not biting, right down Main Street -Ben’s pitches had some “life” to them - so I would not have put him out there again in a high- leverage situation- but coaches make those decisions- if ya make the right one you a a genius- make the wrong one and it may cost your team a winnable game- hindsight is 20/20 - but result was a loss when you were up by three runs in the 7th inning |
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Post by rafer on Mar 19, 2023 15:09:26 GMT -8
Indeed, coaches shouldn't have to learn on the job. Or need memory assists.... Ferrer on the weekend: 1-2/3 ip 6 Hits 5 ER 1 SO 11 batters faced Right now, yes you do. There's no one on this team playing great right now and especially the pitchers. Can't seem to get the job done at any time. When will we win again, who knows, but right now we are at the bottom of the barrel, and going nowhere fast. Just don't see any signs of moving into contention of even mid pack. Gonna be lots of tickets available, only those bleeding orange are going to sit in damp/cold weather to watch this team lose. Hoping for a miracle to turn this around, but that looks dim. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 19, 2023 15:43:49 GMT -8
In other more positive news gulbranson looked good in practice. In six months the football team should be 3-0.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 19, 2023 16:47:19 GMT -8
My point here, of course, is that the Canham/Dorman learning curve seems steeper than it should be. And too often lessons seem to have to be relearned. Agreed... and whether they'll admit it or not, some here insisted that managing minor leaguers was equivalent to coaching/leading a major college program. It isn't.MC and Dorman had a large learning curve and were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons. Yet even then both squads tailed off the last 18 or games of each season. This season the experience level dropped precipitously and everyone seems to be pressing/searching. The coaches aren't the real issue. The players haven't produced. The overall enthusiasm and attitudes are very up & down. Very much waiting for things to happen. You are right. The Canham-Dorman combination, with a regional championship game (final 32 teams) and a Super Regional championship game (final 16) appearance in their first two full seasons, is doing much, much better than probably 250-300 college programs with coaches who never spent a day in pro baseball. "Incredible" talent? Two, maybe three starters on last year's team would have started on the 2017-18 teams, which did have incredible talent. Boyd would have played ahead of Anderson in the OF, Forrester ahead of Taylor at 1B. Meckler would have DHed, Hjerpe would have been a weekend rotation guy. That's about it. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2023 17:09:24 GMT -8
Agreed... and whether they'll admit it or not, some here insisted that managing minor leaguers was equivalent to coaching/leading a major college program. It isn't.MC and Dorman had a large learning curve and were blessed with some incredible talent the first two full seasons. Yet even then both squads tailed off the last 18 or games of each season. This season the experience level dropped precipitously and everyone seems to be pressing/searching. The coaches aren't the real issue. The players haven't produced. The overall enthusiasm and attitudes are very up & down. Very much waiting for things to happen. You are right. The Canham-Dorman combination, with a regional championship game (final 32 teams) and a Super Regional championship game (final 16) appearance in their first two full seasons, is doing much, much better than probably 250-300 college programs with coaches who never spent a day in pro baseball. "Incredible" talent? Two, maybe three starters on last year's team would have started on the 2017-18 teams, which did have incredible talent. Boyd would have played ahead of Anderson in the OF, Forrester ahead of Taylor at 1B. Meckler would have DHed, Hjerpe would have been a weekend rotation guy. That's about it. Ahhh... so incredible has to be the best or start on one of the best teams in program history? One could argue that '17-18 was one most talented rosters in history. If not the best. So, I guess '22's roster being one game from a WS and not winning it means they're just good? That the '22 team's production was very similar to '18 again means just good? Lol I guess since they were just, what? Good? Almost great? This season is just a reload then? Lol |
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Post by 56chevy on Mar 19, 2023 17:14:36 GMT -8
Not going to give up on these guys, or complain. My guess is nobody feels worse than the team itself today. Lets Lets see if they can get themselves back in contention for a tournament invite. Next three series all winable.
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Post by jimbob on Mar 19, 2023 17:59:22 GMT -8
Two toughest? Ducks look like they are going to take 2 of 3 from WSU. UO did in fact take 2 of 3 from WSU and that was at WSU too. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 19, 2023 18:31:09 GMT -8
Looks like we've forgotten that Dorman helped shape Hjerpe into the nation's Pitcher of the Year last year.
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Post by irimi on Mar 19, 2023 18:58:38 GMT -8
Ferrer on the weekend: 1-2/3 ip 6 Hits 5 ER 1 SO 11 batters faced Right now, yes you do. There's no one on this team playing great right now and especially the pitchers. Can't seem to get the job done at any time. When will we win again, who knows, but right now we are at the bottom of the barrel, and going nowhere fast. Just don't see any signs of moving into contention of even mid pack. Gonna be lots of tickets available, only those bleeding orange are going to sit in damp/cold weather to watch this team lose. Hoping for a miracle to turn this around, but that looks dim. I'll take those tickets. Baseball is an amazing game. There are so many things to pay attention to and so many reasons to go to the ballpark to watch those games, even if they are losses. What kind of fan skips games because the team is struggling to find itself? If you only want to go to a game when they win, then you should just stay home and play video games. The kids on the team deserve our support. |
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