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Post by beaverology on Mar 15, 2023 7:19:18 GMT -8
This series will be a discussion on individual OSU MBB players who are returning for the 2023-24 season. Next up: Chol Marial
During the 2022-23 season, Chol averaged 2.2 points/game, 2.2 rebounds/game and 1 blocked shot per game. He only played in 9 games, but Chol did start for the Beavers. When he did play, we saw an intimidating force who cast a big shadow in the paint with his 7 foot 2 frame and 8 foot wingspan. Not only did he alter and block shots, but often times, the opposing player chose to kick the ball out instead of taking a chance down low. Offensively, Chol struggled to find his shot and use his size near the basket. Given his medical history, Marial's future is questionable. In 2019, Marial was diagnosed with stress fractures in both tibias. He underwent surgery and had titanium rods inserted into the tibias to provide strength and stability. It's unclear if last year's injury was related to this surgery (the injury report listed his ankle). I don't think he's ready to give it up basketball, so my guess is he'll return this fall and play. The Beavers are in desperate need for a competent big man to complete the starting 5. This is a priority for WT and he needs to find a quality big asap.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 15, 2023 22:32:33 GMT -8
There were some positive aspects to Chol’s game when he was able to play, but I don’t think you can count on him to have much of an impact next year. He’s shown no ability to stay on the court. Could all his injury issues be put behind him after this year? Sure, anything is possible; but I’m not counting on it. And if he has turned the page on the injuries, still not sure there is enough to get excited about.
I posted that I had my doubts about this pickup back when it happened based upon the limited minutes I saw him play while at Maryland. I’ve seen very little if anything to change that opinion.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2023 22:51:56 GMT -8
There were some positive aspects to Chol’s game when he was able to play, but I don’t think you can count on him to have much of an impact next year. He’s shown no ability to stay on the court. Could all his injury issues be put behind him after this year? Sure, anything is possible; but I’m not counting on it. And if he has turned the page on the injuries, still not sure there is enough to get excited about. I posted that I had my doubts about this pickup back when it happened based upon the limited minutes I saw him play while at Maryland. I’ve seen very little if anything to change that opinion. If Chol is healthy, he potentially needs to only play a few minutes at a time to alter a game, or at least the momentum of it. I suspect he will probably never dominate a game offensively here, but if he can alter a teams inside game because of the threat of his blocking ability, he's got a role in short stints during some games. Not all players need to be capable of 20-30+ minutes a game. This team does not have a "do everything" center, and until it does, if he can go in for 4-5 minutes and mess up an opponent's momentum if they're on a run, he's worth it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 15, 2023 22:59:06 GMT -8
There were some positive aspects to Chol’s game when he was able to play, but I don’t think you can count on him to have much of an impact next year. He’s shown no ability to stay on the court. Could all his injury issues be put behind him after this year? Sure, anything is possible; but I’m not counting on it. And if he has turned the page on the injuries, still not sure there is enough to get excited about. I posted that I had my doubts about this pickup back when it happened based upon the limited minutes I saw him play while at Maryland. I’ve seen very little if anything to change that opinion. The dude's 7'2" with a basketball build. There is a ton to get excited about just right there. He just needs to stay healthy. If Chol can give us any amount of meaningful minutes in March, this team could be light years better next year. Talented big men are often game changers. I remember the threads poo-pooing Kylor Kelley before he came, and then he etched his name in the record books. (Kelley btw is a starter for the Raptors 905 in the G League.) |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 15, 2023 23:43:49 GMT -8
There were some positive aspects to Chol’s game when he was able to play, but I don’t think you can count on him to have much of an impact next year. He’s shown no ability to stay on the court. Could all his injury issues be put behind him after this year? Sure, anything is possible; but I’m not counting on it. And if he has turned the page on the injuries, still not sure there is enough to get excited about. I posted that I had my doubts about this pickup back when it happened based upon the limited minutes I saw him play while at Maryland. I’ve seen very little if anything to change that opinion. The dude's 7'2" with a basketball build. There is a ton to get excited about just right there. He just needs to stay healthy. If Chol can give us any amount of meaningful minutes in March, this team could be light years better next year. Talented big men are often game changers. I remember the threads poo-pooing Kylor Kelley before he came, and then he etched his name in the record books. (Kelley btw is a starter for the Raptors 905 in the G League.) I don’t really get excited about 7-2 guys with a basketball build sitting on the bench cuz they are injured. Sure IF he can stay healthy, he can have an impact. But he’s shown no ability to stay healthy, and we have differing views on how great or little that impact will be. I certainly hope he can get over his injury problems and give the Beavers some dependable minutes. Just don’t see it as likely. As for Kelley, I always have to laugh when I see arguments like this. Other than Kelley being 7-0+ and both playing for Beavs, the two have little in common. But since Kelley exceeded some people’s expectations then Chol will too? I didn’t have an opinion on Kelley because I had never seen him play. As someone who watches a lot of B1G games, I had probably seen at least a third of Chol’s B1G games. I’m not going to say I remember all his minutes that I saw because for the most part his play was forgettable. But I had a good idea what he brought to the table and haven’t seen anything to change that opinion. Like I said, I hope he can stay healthy and develop his game. Seems like a good kid and student. But if you are thinking his game will approach Kelley’s, I think you will be sadly disappointed. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2023 0:12:17 GMT -8
I think Kylor is much more fluid and natural than Chol as a basketball player, so far. They're both terrific shot blockers. Too bad he's been held back with the leg issues so much of his career thus far, it's probably hurt his development. I still think he has a role to play if he's healthy.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 16, 2023 9:25:00 GMT -8
First off,Choi hasn't been healthy enough to play consistent minutes since he was 14 or 15. He is a long kid with a big wingspan. If I'm a coach,he never goes out further than 10 feet from the basket. Use your length and reach to shoot over guys and keep offensive rebounds alive. I heard Charles Barkley talking about bigs and their want to shoot threes. Choi does. It takes away all your advantage of being 7-2 over a smaller defender. Have him work on hook shots and post moves. If he has some ability to make shots down low,he then can dish the ball out to open three point shooters as they collapse on him.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2023 10:19:42 GMT -8
First off,Choi hasn't been healthy enough to play consistent minutes since he was 14 or 15. He is a long kid with a big wingspan. If I'm a coach,he never goes out further than 10 feet from the basket. Use your length and reach to shoot over guys and keep offensive rebounds alive. I heard Charles Barkley talking about bigs and their want to shoot threes. Choi does. It takes away all your advantage of being 7-2 over a smaller defender. Have him work on hook shots and post moves. If he has some ability to make shots down low,he then can dish the ball out to open three point shooters as they collapse on him. I like your thinking. If we can get a big guy who's capable of at least the threat of consistently getting 12-18 points a game (even if half of those are tipins) inside and can kick the ball out when the shot isn't there, it opens up our 3 point game. Looks like Tinkle is hitting the portal for 3 point shooters. We've already got 3-5 guys who can nail 3 pointers WHEN not under pressure. The trick is, since we really haven't had much of an inside threat this year the defense pretty much knows they can force our team into a higher risk 3 fairly readily. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Apr 12, 2023 16:13:00 GMT -8
His top 'skill' was being tall. He can't be relied on physically; 'encourage' him to leave.
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 16, 2023 9:34:59 GMT -8
Chol = Bill walton
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Post by ag87 on Apr 16, 2023 10:18:24 GMT -8
If you were around 21 years old in 1973 you should have a clue on how good of a player Bill Walton was. I don't believe a healthy Chol Marial sniffs the NBA
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 16, 2023 10:42:22 GMT -8
If you were around 21 years old in 1973 you should have a clue on how good of a player Bill Walton was. I don't believe a healthy Chol Marial sniffs the NBA I'd bet if he were capable of staying on the floor here 20 minutes a game he'd get a sniff or two and then spend time either overseas (still might do that if he gets healthy) or in the development leagues. Walton is still considered to be one of the greatest centers of all time despite his leg injuries. Mariol could be a very interesting short minute defensive specialist at the college level if healthy, don't know if he could ever be much more than that since he's lost so much of his eligibility and development time to his leg injuries. I'm hoping he's healthy and contributes. I don't see him as a full time player, but 10-15 minutes a game disrupting the opponent's offense woud be great. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 16, 2023 10:49:12 GMT -8
Right... we all wish! He's not even Sam Bowie |
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 16, 2023 10:59:26 GMT -8
I think the Choi-Walton comparison was totally based on health. Bill was a beast. 21-22 versus Memphis. One of the greatest passing big men in the game’s history.
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Post by alwaysorange on Apr 16, 2023 11:28:33 GMT -8
Many comments here that mention the possibilities and positives with Marial that all use the word IF. If IFS and buts were candy and nuts oh what a great time we would have
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