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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 6, 2023 19:41:59 GMT -8
What I want to know is... who's our likely first round opponent in the big tourney after we win the next 4 games? Guessing we’d probably be a 14 or 15 seed, so we’d play a 2 or 3. Nice oppo for a big ML payday, right Bleeda? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 6, 2023 20:01:19 GMT -8
What I want to know is... who's our likely first round opponent in the big tourney after we win the next 4 games? Guessing we’d probably be a 14 or 15 seed, so we’d play a 2 or 3. Nice oppo for a big ML payday, right Bleeda? They don’t put any P5 conference teams below a 12 seed, which is what we were in 2021. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 6, 2023 20:39:49 GMT -8
Guessing we’d probably be a 14 or 15 seed, so we’d play a 2 or 3. Nice oppo for a big ML payday, right Bleeda? They don’t put any P5 conference teams below a 12 seed, which is what we were in 2021. The biggest underdog to win a P5 conference tournament in the past 20 years was Georgia back in 2008. The Dream Dawgs were the #11 seed. Before 2012, though, the seeds were seeded by division. Georgia beat #7 Ole Miss, #3 Kentucky, #2 Mississippi State, and #5 Arkansas to win the SEC. The four wins pulled Georgia up from 13-16 to 17-16. What was crazy is that the Dream Dawgs were 4-14 in SEC before the SEC Tournament and 4-16 over the previous 20 SEC games. The Dream Dawgs won just as many games in four days in Atlanta as they had in the previous 20 SEC games combined. For winning the SEC, Georgia, with an RPI of 98, was given a #14 seed and lost to #3 Xavier. 2021 Oregon State had a NET ranking of 91 and an RPI of 81 was given a #12 seed. I think that bennysdentist may be close to right guessing that Oregon State would be a #14 seed or maybe even lower at 15-20. In 2008, Xavier went to the Elite Eight and lost to UCLA, who lost to cheating Memphis. The Tigers vacated their entire 2007-2008 for playing three players, whose grades were falsified and one of whose SAT score was the result of someone else taking the test. The 2008 Tournament might be best remembered for Steph Curry leading #10-seed Davidson to the Elite Eight only to lose to eventual Champion Kansas in Kansas' closest win in the Tournament. The other three semifinalists--Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Tennessee--in the SEC Tournament each won their NCAA Tournament openers. The Vols, the SEC Regular Season Champions, won into the Sweet Sixteen before losing to Louisville. Kentucky and Vanderbilt also earned spots in the Tournament and lost in the first round with the Commodores being upset by #13-seed Siena. |
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 6, 2023 20:51:06 GMT -8
But we’ll never know.
(I hope this post ages poorly)
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 6, 2023 20:52:38 GMT -8
On another note, is anybody going to Vegas for the first weekend of March Madness? If so, we should all get together for a cocktail.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 6, 2023 23:09:36 GMT -8
I looked back to the preseason poll about the number of wins Oregon State would have, and I had down 17-21 wins, including the three preseason wins. I need Oregon State to make the Pac-12 Championship Game here; otherwise, I will have been overly optimistic.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 6, 2023 23:15:18 GMT -8
On another note, is anybody going to Vegas for the first weekend of March Madness? If so, we should all get together for a cocktail. I am concentrating on getting everything set up for my trip to Cancun in April. I would love to go, but I do not know, if my schedule is going to open up to allow it. If I wind up with extra time, maybe. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 7, 2023 0:41:37 GMT -8
On another note, is anybody going to Vegas for the first weekend of March Madness? If so, we should all get together for a cocktail. Missing the PAC-12 tourney myself for the first time in 6 or 7 years. Just couldn't make it work this year. That week in Vegas is always fun even if most of the time there aren't a lot of OSU games to watch (although 2021 was the nice exception). Don't think I'll make the NCAAs either but I imagine the strip will be a fun place to be that weekend. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 7, 2023 5:33:27 GMT -8
They don’t put any P5 conference teams below a 12 seed, which is what we were in 2021. The biggest underdog to win a P5 conference tournament in the past 20 years was Georgia back in 2008. The Dream Dawgs were the #11 seed. Before 2012, though, the seeds were seeded by division. Georgia beat #7 Ole Miss, #3 Kentucky, #2 Mississippi State, and #5 Arkansas to win the SEC. The four wins pulled Georgia up from 13-16 to 17-16. What was crazy is that the Dream Dawgs were 4-14 in SEC before the SEC Tournament and 4-16 over the previous 20 SEC games. The Dream Dawgs won just as many games in four days in Atlanta as they had in the previous 20 SEC games combined. For winning the SEC, Georgia, with an RPI of 98, was given a #14 seed and lost to #3 Xavier. 2021 Oregon State had a NET ranking of 91 and an RPI of 81 was given a #12 seed. I think that bennysdentist may be close to right guessing that Oregon State would be a #14 seed or maybe even lower at 15-20. In 2008, Xavier went to the Elite Eight and lost to UCLA, who lost to cheating Memphis. The Tigers vacated their entire 2007-2008 for playing three players, whose grades were falsified and one of whose SAT score was the result of someone else taking the test. The 2008 Tournament might be best remembered for Steph Curry leading #10-seed Davidson to the Elite Eight only to lose to eventual Champion Kansas in Kansas' closest win in the Tournament. The other three semifinalists--Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Tennessee--in the SEC Tournament each won their NCAA Tournament openers. The Vols, the SEC Regular Season Champions, won into the Sweet Sixteen before losing to Louisville. Kentucky and Vanderbilt also earned spots in the Tournament and lost in the first round with the Commodores being upset by #13-seed Siena. What? How could we be a 15-20 seed when there’s only 16 seeds in the bracket? And again, p5 teams that make the dance, aren’t seeded lower than 12. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 7, 2023 8:15:01 GMT -8
I was really hoping the Beavs wouldn’t have the late game. With a 11:30 pm start on East Coast, gonna be tough to stay up for whole game.
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Post by jefframp on Mar 7, 2023 8:25:24 GMT -8
On another note, is anybody going to Vegas for the first weekend of March Madness? If so, we should all get together for a cocktail. I'll be in Vegas but for granddaughter volleyball tournament at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center: usavolleyball.org/event/2023-scva-red-rock-rave-girls-qualifier-week-no-2/Granddaughter has a full ride to those turncoats at ucla for VB next year. This will be one of her last tournaments at the Club Level as she plays for Coast Volleyball out of San Diego in the 18 y.o. division although she is only 17. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 7, 2023 13:12:40 GMT -8
The biggest underdog to win a P5 conference tournament in the past 20 years was Georgia back in 2008. The Dream Dawgs were the #11 seed. Before 2012, though, the seeds were seeded by division. Georgia beat #7 Ole Miss, #3 Kentucky, #2 Mississippi State, and #5 Arkansas to win the SEC. The four wins pulled Georgia up from 13-16 to 17-16. What was crazy is that the Dream Dawgs were 4-14 in SEC before the SEC Tournament and 4-16 over the previous 20 SEC games. The Dream Dawgs won just as many games in four days in Atlanta as they had in the previous 20 SEC games combined. For winning the SEC, Georgia, with an RPI of 98, was given a #14 seed and lost to #3 Xavier. 2021 Oregon State had a NET ranking of 91 and an RPI of 81 was given a #12 seed. I think that bennysdentist may be close to right guessing that Oregon State would be a #14 seed or maybe even lower at 15-20. In 2008, Xavier went to the Elite Eight and lost to UCLA, who lost to cheating Memphis. The Tigers vacated their entire 2007-2008 for playing three players, whose grades were falsified and one of whose SAT score was the result of someone else taking the test. The 2008 Tournament might be best remembered for Steph Curry leading #10-seed Davidson to the Elite Eight only to lose to eventual Champion Kansas in Kansas' closest win in the Tournament. The other three semifinalists--Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Tennessee--in the SEC Tournament each won their NCAA Tournament openers. The Vols, the SEC Regular Season Champions, won into the Sweet Sixteen before losing to Louisville. Kentucky and Vanderbilt also earned spots in the Tournament and lost in the first round with the Commodores being upset by #13-seed Siena. What? How could we be a 15-20 seed when there’s only 16 seeds in the bracket? And again, p5 teams that make the dance, aren’t seeded lower than 12. 15-20 would be Oregon State's record with four wins. I tried to use the pound sign to try and refer to seeds to avoid confusion. 17-16 Georgia was seeded #14 in 2008 and is generally regarded as the worst Power Five Champion in the past 20+ years. Teams that have clinched a berth so far: 53 Drake
88 Furman
89 Louisiana113 Kennesaw State
139 UNC Asheville
244 Southeast Missouri
300 Farleigh Dickinson
Conference Championships today:
Colonial Atletic: #144 UNCW v. #51 Charleston
Horizon: #161 Northern Kentucky v. #169 Cleveland State
Summit: #208 North Dakota State v. #44 Oral Roberts
West Coast: #9 Gonzaga v. #8 Saint Mary's College
Oregon State's current NET is #221. In 2021, Oregon State's NET rose from #131 to start the Pac-12 Tournament to #91 with the wins over #4 UCLA, #1 Oregon, and #3 Colorado.
The rise here might be more, which could put Oregon State into a #12 or #13 seed consideration, but that is certainly no certainty. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 7, 2023 13:37:30 GMT -8
What? How could we be a 15-20 seed when there’s only 16 seeds in the bracket? And again, p5 teams that make the dance, aren’t seeded lower than 12. 15-20 would be Oregon State's record with four wins. I tried to use the pound sign to try and refer to seeds to avoid confusion. 17-16 Georgia was seeded #14 in 2008 and is generally regarded as the worst Power Five Champion in the past 20+ years. Teams that have clinched a berth so far: 53 Drake
88 Furman
89 Louisiana113 Kennesaw State
139 UNC Asheville
244 Southeast Missouri
300 Farleigh Dickinson
Conference Championships today:
Colonial Atletic: #144 UNCW v. #51 Charleston
Horizon: #161 Northern Kentucky v. #169 Cleveland State
Summit: #208 North Dakota State v. #44 Oral Roberts
West Coast: #9 Gonzaga v. #8 Saint Mary's College
Oregon State's current NET is #221. In 2021, Oregon State's NET rose from #131 to start the Pac-12 Tournament to #91 with the wins over #4 UCLA, #1 Oregon, and #3 Colorado.
The rise here might be more, which could put Oregon State into a #12 or #13 seed consideration, but that is certainly no certainty.Got you. That was not how I read that sentence. The 2008 Georgia seeding was before they expanded to 68 teams and had the play-in games. I don't think you would see a P5 champion below a 12 seed at this point......(Unless Cal wins it) and gets in with a 7-28 record..... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 7, 2023 14:16:16 GMT -8
15-20 would be Oregon State's record with four wins. I tried to use the pound sign to try and refer to seeds to avoid confusion. 17-16 Georgia was seeded #14 in 2008 and is generally regarded as the worst Power Five Champion in the past 20+ years. Teams that have clinched a berth so far: 53 Drake
88 Furman
89 Louisiana113 Kennesaw State
139 UNC Asheville
244 Southeast Missouri
300 Farleigh Dickinson
Conference Championships today:
Colonial Atletic: #144 UNCW v. #51 Charleston
Horizon: #161 Northern Kentucky v. #169 Cleveland State
Summit: #208 North Dakota State v. #44 Oral Roberts
West Coast: #9 Gonzaga v. #8 Saint Mary's College
Oregon State's current NET is #221. In 2021, Oregon State's NET rose from #131 to start the Pac-12 Tournament to #91 with the wins over #4 UCLA, #1 Oregon, and #3 Colorado.
The rise here might be more, which could put Oregon State into a #12 or #13 seed consideration, but that is certainly no certainty.Got you. That was not how I read that sentence. The 2008 Georgia seeding was before they expanded to 68 teams and had the play-in games. I don't think you would see a P5 champion below a 12 seed at this point......(Unless Cal wins it) and gets in with a 7-28 record..... The committee fudged a little to even list Georgia as a #14 seed. Georgia had the lowest RPI of any seed #1 through #15 and even had a lower RPI than #16 Portland State. Personally, I remember chatter that Portland State was PO'd that they received a #16 seed in 2008. Georgia had the 61st-highest RPI of teams in the field and probably should have been a #16 seed. The Committee bumped them up two lines to get them in as a #14 seed. And expansion of the Tournament pushes everyone's seed down, not up. If Georgia was a #14 seed in 2008, they would have probably been a #15 seed in a post-2010 Tournament. I will say that Oregon State should have been a #14 seed in 2021. In a perfect S curve, Oregon State would have played Kansas in the first round, which would have been a much harder row to hoe than Tennessee. Of course, the Vols were underrated in 2021, were the best of the #5 seeds, and probably should have been a #4 seed. Thus, Oregon State probably only really leapfrogged Liberty, Ohio, and UNC Greensboro in regards to opening matchup. I don't discount the idea that you are 100% correct. In fact, I very much want you to be right. I am just saying what I know. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 7, 2023 14:28:50 GMT -8
Got you. That was not how I read that sentence. The 2008 Georgia seeding was before they expanded to 68 teams and had the play-in games. I don't think you would see a P5 champion below a 12 seed at this point......(Unless Cal wins it) and gets in with a 7-28 record..... The committee fudged a little to even list Georgia as a #14 seed. Georgia had the lowest RPI of any seed #1 through #15 and even had a lower RPI than #16 Portland State. Personally, I remember chatter that Portland State was PO'd that they received a #16 seed in 2008. Georgia had the 61st-highest RPI of teams in the field and probably should have been a #16 seed. The Committee bumped them up two lines to get them in as a #14 seed. And expansion of the Tournament pushes everyone's seed down, not up. If Georgia was a #14 seed in 2008, they would have probably been a #15 seed in a post-2010 Tournament. I will say that Oregon State should have been a #14 seed in 2021. In a perfect S curve, Oregon State would have played Kansas in the first round, which would have been a much harder row to hoe than Tennessee. Of course, the Vols were underrated in 2021, were the best of the #5 seeds, and probably should have been a #4 seed. Thus, Oregon State probably only really leapfrogged Liberty, Ohio, and UNC Greensboro in regards to opening matchup. I don't discount the idea that you are 100% correct. In fact, I very much want you to be right. I am just saying what I know. The last 4 at large bids are now 11 and 12 seeds. That is where you will find the lowest rated P5 conference teams. However, if you win your power 5 conference tournament, it is very unlikely that they will put you in a play-in game. That's why a cinderella team from a P5 conference is usually going to be one of the 12 seeds that is not in a play-in game. The expanded tournament pushed down the seedings of the lower ranked conference's teams, not the P5 conferences. I don't believe that there has been a P5 team below a 12 since the tourney expanded in 2011. |
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