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Post by cobeaver on Sept 13, 2016 8:50:02 GMT -8
Kap has the right as an American to express his opinion. I have the right to think he is foolish. His behaviour gives me another reason to not watch the 49ERS, although having Chip Belly as the head coach was really enough for me. They have become the "ducks of the bay" for me. On any given week I only root for two teams, Oregon State and whoever is playing the ducks/49ers. GO BEAVS, ftd/49ers!
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 8:52:33 GMT -8
Great thing about America is that nobody is required to stand. That is a fundamental freedom we should all appreciate. You can find it disrespectful all you want, but our soliders went to war and died so that we could live in a country that does not have mandatory patriotism. Fine line between national pride and fascism. As for Kap, his choice must be working, as you can't swing a cat by the tail without finding some median outlet talking about it. and more over, they are talking not just about his action, but about his ACTUAL point... oppression of minorities in America. Like it or hate it, can't say it is not effective. It's not effective. Media has been talking about it for 3 weeks. that is a lifetime in the ADHD world of news. Will it bring around change? doubtful. Are people talking about it? yes. Has others joined in the protest? yes. have people taken new twists on it, like the black panther's esque fist raising? yep. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 8:56:00 GMT -8
I kind of look at it this way.....it's not like he's turning his back on the flag, or ignoring the playing of the anthem. He's still being respectful in my opinion. I think it's an effective way to voice his displeasure with issues he sees in our country. Now, on the flip side, it definitely seems like more of the conversation is on how he's protesting rather than what he's protesting. It will be interesting to see if the conversation shifts back to actual issue, or if he's going to be kneeling for the rest of his career.I was at a high school football game last friday, after the band played the national anthem, some guy in the crowd hollered SCREW KAPERNICK! at the end. He was sitting right in front of me... I just kind of laughed, and my wife was like "really?" But hey, two sides of the same coin. Kap is free to take a knee, and people are free to dislike it. But you are right. there are more people worked up about WHAT he is doing and completely ignoring WHY he is doing it. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2016 9:58:53 GMT -8
I will say, he did donate $1M and all his jersey sale money towards his cause, so he's backing up his protest with actual action. I wonder if others who raised fists and all that this weekend will as well. I'm not going to pretend that I know hard data or facts, but the sports and entertainment industry seems to be the one field where white privilege isn't a given. Nobody's giving Tim Tebow or Toby Gerhardt contracts because they're white. Athletes, musicians, actors...if they could ever get organized and actually rally around one cause, they could have tremendous impact. These are the people we spend our money to watch. They're the reason our cable bill is astronomical, why we pay $20 to go to a movie on Saturday night, and why 80,000 people are willing to drop hundreds on the weekend to spend 3 hours on a metal bench in the rain. If they all said "no more until we get this straightened out," I'd bet we saw movement rather quickly.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 13, 2016 10:15:37 GMT -8
I will say, he did donate $1M and all his jersey sale money towards his cause, so he's backing up his protest with actual action. I wonder if others who raised fists and all that this weekend will as well. I'm not going to pretend that I know hard data or facts, but the sports and entertainment industry seems to be the one field where white privilege isn't a given. Nobody's giving Tim Tebow or Toby Gerhardt contracts because they're white. Athletes, musicians, actors...if they could ever get organized and actually rally around one cause, they could have tremendous impact. These are the people we spend our money to watch. They're the reason our cable bill is astronomical, why we pay $20 to go to a movie on Saturday night, and why 80,000 people are willing to drop hundreds on the weekend to spend 3 hours on a metal bench in the rain. If they all said "no more until we get this straightened out," I'd bet we saw movement rather quickly. I'm not sure that's a great analogy, just because the racism (institutional or otherwise) these guys are trying to bring to light isn't rampant in sports, doesn't mean they didn't see it growing up, or have family and friends that have been or are currently being directly impacted by it. (I'd argue it certainly exists in sports, but that's another discussion). The guys in Rage Against the Machine grew up mostly as typical middle-class kids, heck one is a Harvard grad, that doesn't make their anguish or political slant less meaningful. As for the fact they earn millions playing a game, that's sort of a strawman's argument as it relates to the topic of protesting the NA. These guys are the elite of the elite, they get paid what the market will bear. If we as fans don't like it, we do not have to pay to go to games. We do not have to watch them on TV. As far as I'm concerned, they earn every penny. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2016 10:55:49 GMT -8
By "this," I meant whatever cause they chose to unite around. And I'm completely in agreement that you don't have to be a poor minority living in an inner city to recognize a problem. Nobody thinks you have to grow up hungry to understand childhood hunger issues. I do think that, ridiculous as it may seem, celebrities hold enormous amounts of influence over the general public. No way Donald Trump is the Republican nominee if he was just a businessman. His TV show got him the platform from which to launch his campaign. California elected Arnold freaking Schwarzenegger governor despite him never holding an elected office of any kind prior....then they elected him again.
I know celebrities don't hold a lot of sway with the educated minds of us OSU alums, but the vast majority of people out there didn't go to OSU, and like shiny things (see Oregon, University of)
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2016 12:26:41 GMT -8
Great thing about America is that nobody is required to stand. That is a fundamental freedom we should all appreciate. You can find it disrespectful all you want, but our soliders went to war and died so that we could live in a country that does not have mandatory patriotism. Fine line between national pride and fascism. As for Kap, his choice must be working, as you can't swing a cat by the tail without finding some median outlet talking about it. and more over, they are talking not just about his action, but about his ACTUAL point... oppression of minorities in America. Like it or hate it, can't say it is not effective. It's not effective. Given that more athletes are joining him, I'd say it is very effective. Look, he's not smashing windows, beating white folk, or others less desirable forms of protest. I think he's a great role model for those who do destroy things as a means of protest: he's offering a peaceful way of getting his point across. Reminds me of the movie, Amazing Grace and Chuck. |
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2016 12:29:40 GMT -8
Media has been talking about it for 3 weeks. that is a lifetime in the ADHD world of news. Will it bring around change? doubtful. Are people talking about it? yes. Has others joined in the protest? yes. have people taken new twists on it, like the black panther's esque fist raising? yep. In other words, it hasn't been effective. Just because YOU don't want it to be effective, doesn't mean that it isn't. |
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2016 13:37:40 GMT -8
Just because YOU don't want it to be effective, doesn't mean that it isn't. It isn't effective just because you wish it was. Are his "pig socks" effective? I don't care if it's effective at all. Though, I think it is. It's helped identify the "under cover" Trumpettes. In any event, I support his right to express himself so matter how distasteful it might be. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 13:46:21 GMT -8
I sense a padlock coming on...
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2016 13:59:08 GMT -8
I don't care if it's effective at all. Though, I think it is. It is ... if you're a dips**t. You know, you're a really angry guy. Have you considered counseling? |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 13, 2016 14:11:37 GMT -8
It is ... if you're a dips**t. You know, you're a really angry guy. Have you considered counseling? 3rd party observation: That's solid asterisk use.. Always keeps'em guessing. lol |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 14:33:48 GMT -8
You know, you're a really angry guy. Have you considered counseling? 3rd party observation: That's solid asterisk use.. Always keeps'em guessing. lol dipsuit dipseat dipseet dipsuet lots of possibilities here! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 14:58:58 GMT -8
3rd party observation: That's solid asterisk use.. Always keeps'em guessing. lol dipsuit dipseat dipseet dipsuet lots of possibilities here! Or my personal favorite, dipslut! |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2016 15:07:35 GMT -8
Just because YOU don't want it to be effective, doesn't mean that it isn't. It isn't effective just because you wish it was. Are his "pig socks" effective? His pig socks were also worn more about 3 weeks prior to the first time he took a knee, and he has never worn them since. Didn't stop people from digging up the picture. Why was his pig socks not an issue when it happened? Why was there zero outrage or condemnation at the time? It only became an issue when he took a stand for something and became a hot media topic. The first distribution of the "pig sock" picture came from CBS sports with the head line LOOK: Colin Kaepernick's socks appear to slander police! an article of course that was written to obfuscate the fact he wore them to a single practice once, and insuinuated he continued to wear them on a regular basis. pig socks became an issue when it became juicy clickbait material for the media. Literally not one single human on this planet gave two flying sh!ts when he wore them. Pictures were not posted on August 10th when it happened. Pictures were posted on September 1st shortly after his first sit down. he is saying things and doing things that make people feel uncomfortable. Some people agree with him, some people disagree, some people support and some people are making him a villain. it is what it is. and it should be noted that it is a non-violent, peaceful means of protest that is not disrupting traffic or cities or involving innocent people. It is a singular display. Roughly 2 minutes of a guy making a statement and then on with life. so, basically with a grand total of about... oh, 6 minutes of "action" Kaepernick has been all over the media, all over social media, and has remained a "trending" topic for weeks. That seems to be carrying a pretty high ROI to me... |
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