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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 11, 2016 10:31:00 GMT -8
Wow! I didn't realize that not only did Virginia lose the previous week but they lost to FCS Richmond by 17!!! Man!
Week 1, FCS UC Davis was 2-9 the previous season.
Week 3 will be a bit more of a challenge but Banker is absolutely horrid at preparing against Spread Option teams as most of us know. We'll see how that turns out, but I really can't wait for them (Ducks) to be exposed.
Go Beavs!
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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 11, 2016 11:05:31 GMT -8
While Richmond is at the FCS level they are ranked #2. So they are actually a pretty good team.
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 11, 2016 13:29:42 GMT -8
Minnesota and Idaho State is an absolute killer. C'mon man, it is a west coast OOC. No one wants to travel out here. Screw anybody scheduling themselves to be road kill. If they don't want to do home and home, forget them and get whoever you can.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 11, 2016 13:43:23 GMT -8
Minnesota and Idaho State is an absolute killer. C'mon man, it is a west coast OOC. No one wants to travel out here. Screw anybody scheduling themselves to be road kill. If they don't want to do home and home, forget them and get whoever you can. The point of the post was more about how bad Oregon is and eventually, they will be exposed. I will say that if you are a team that wants to be in a playoff or think that you have an "elite" program, you schedule stronger teams in OOC to prove that. But, whatever! PS- Our Boise St. game scares the crap outta me! Go Beavs! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 11, 2016 14:14:11 GMT -8
I believe when they scheduled that game UVA was a pretty decent opponent. Hard to schedule the right game 5-6 years in advance.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2016 14:23:05 GMT -8
For the most part, Banker led teams handled the dux spread better than most of the rest of the defenses in the Pac once a person actually looks up how everyone did against them, just came up short far too often like everyone else. I think the dux will come up short against Nebraska this year, against several teams in the Pac as well.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 11, 2016 14:39:22 GMT -8
Minnesota and Idaho State is an absolute killer. C'mon man, it is a west coast OOC. No one wants to travel out here. Screw anybody scheduling themselves to be road kill. If they don't want to do home and home, forget them and get whoever you can. The point of the post was more about how bad Oregon is and eventually, they will be exposed. I will say that if you are a team that wants to be in a playoff or think that you have an "elite" program, you schedule stronger teams in OOC to prove that. But, whatever! PS- Our Boise St. game scares the crap outta me! Go Beavs! If the Ducks get by Nebraska in Lincoln, they are a pretty damn good team in my book. If Riley is smart he will just pound Oregon out. Oregon is a good team, not elite. They aren't as good as Washington or Stanford. They will have other struggles. As for Boise State, they should have lost, and deserved to lose. That was terrible 2nd half coaching on both sides. Rypian made some poor decisions and can be rattled if we can get a pass rush. Defensively they wore down, not sure we have the horses or offense to run them down. But they aren't a top 20 team, they'd be lucky to go 5-4 in the Pac 12. |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 11, 2016 14:46:48 GMT -8
For the most part, Banker led teams handled the dux spread better than most of the rest of the defenses in the Pac once a person actually looks up how everyone did against them, just came up short far too often like everyone else. I think the dux will come up short against Nebraska this year, against several teams in the Pac as well. I don't know how you're coming to the conclusion that Banker defenses handled the Dux O better than other teams. If you're only looking at scores, then you might think that (even that isn't too convincing) but knowing the game and watching the Civil War games, I would completely disagree. The reason I don't even think the points paint the whole picture is that some of those games were over by halftime and the Ducks could have probably scored 80 in a couple of those games if they wanted to. They pretty much manhandled Banker's defenses. Banker defenses did well against the mid to late 90's Spread teams (like Erickson's offense) and some Pro Style. Actually in the "pros" he didn't do so hot, look at the records. In fact, Wyoming is probably the perfect type of offense (now) that Banker does well against. Go Beavs! |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 11, 2016 14:55:54 GMT -8
The point of the post was more about how bad Oregon is and eventually, they will be exposed. I will say that if you are a team that wants to be in a playoff or think that you have an "elite" program, you schedule stronger teams in OOC to prove that. But, whatever! PS- Our Boise St. game scares the crap outta me! Go Beavs! If the Ducks get by Nebraska in Lincoln, they are a pretty damn good team in my book. If Riley is smart he will just pound Oregon out. Oregon is a good team, not elite. They aren't as good as Washington or Stanford. They will have other struggles. As for Boise State, they should have lost, and deserved to lose. That was terrible 2nd half coaching on both sides. Rypian made some poor decisions and can be rattled if we can get a pass rush. Defensively they wore down, not sure we have the horses or offense to run them down. But they aren't a top 20 team, they'd be lucky to go 5-4 in the Pac 12. The only way Oregon wins that game next week is if they outscore Nebraska because their defense is so bad. I agree that pounding the ball is the way for NU to have the opportunity to win but defensively is what will seal it for Nebraska IMO. They need to get some takeaways and/or stops. Oregon is a one sided team (all offense). Haven't really seen Nebraska against a quality opponent yet but last season they were horrendous at giving up huge plays and chunk yardage plays. That will not bode well against the Ducks. I didn't see the BSU game but I know Rypien's the real deal (from last season). Their RB is pretty good too. I worry about them because they are scrappy and they do play well against us. I'm obviously hoping for a victory but the match-up is not in our favor. When you speak of "if we can get a pass rush", that is a huge "if"! BSU would beat the Ducks by 14+. Go Beavs! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2016 16:41:18 GMT -8
For the most part, Banker led teams handled the dux spread better than most of the rest of the defenses in the Pac once a person actually looks up how everyone did against them, just came up short far too often like everyone else. I think the dux will come up short against Nebraska this year, against several teams in the Pac as well. I don't know how you're coming to the conclusion that Banker defenses handled teh Dux O better than other teams. If you're only looking at scores, then you might think that (even that isn't too convincing) but knowing the game and watching the Civil War games, I would completely disagree. The reason I don't even think the points paint the whole picture is that some of those games were over by halftime and the Ducks could have probably scored 80 in a couple of those games if they wanted to. They pretty much manhandled Banker's defenses. Banker defenses did well against the mid to late 90's Spread teams (like Erickson's offense) and some Pro Style. Actually in the "pros" he didn't do so hot, look at the records. In fact, Wyoming is probably the perfect type of offense (now) that Banker does well against. Go Beavs! Who needs facts, when you can spout biased nonsense? Am I right? Your argument basically is that Oregon State' defense did not do better than much more talented defenses against Oregon's offense. This is completely wrong. You follow it up with a fall-back argument that, even if Oregon State's defense did quantifiably do better, that the games were over at halftime in games with Oregon State and somehow not in games with other teams. This is also completely wrong. Teams that did worse than Banker's defense: 2009: Purdue, California, Washington State, Washington, Pete Carroll's USC, Harbaugh's Stanford, Erickson's Arizona State, and Arizona. 2010: New Mexico, Tennessee, Portland State, Erickson's Arizona State, Harbaugh's Stanford, Washington State, UCLA, Carroll's USC, Washington, and Arizona. 2011: Nevada, Missouri State, Arizona, and Stanford. 2012: Arkansas State, Tennessee Tech, RichRod's Arizona, Washington State, Washington, Colorado, USC, and California. 2013: Nicholls State, Virginia, Tennessee, California, Colorado, Washington, Washington State, UCLA, and Utah. 2014: South Dakota, Wyoming, California, Utah, Arizona, and Florida State. Much more talented teams did much worse than Oregon State at stopping Oregon rather consistently. Civil War score at halftime: 2009: Oregon State 23 - Oregon 21 2010: Oregon 16 - Oregon State 7 (Fake punt and the offense was too conservative in the second half.) 2011: Oregon 28 - Oregon State 7 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 11:44 left in the fourth after going up 42-7.) 2012: Oregon 20 - Oregon State 10 (6 Oregon State turnovers. The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 8:24 left in the fourth after going up 48-17.) 2013: 17-17 tie. 2014: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 3 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 5:00 left in the fourth after going up 47-17.) Oregon is filled with a bunch of classless morons. They will always pour it on Oregon State, if they can. Always. They will always try to pour it on Oregon State over other teams. Always. The fact is that Oregon State always takes Oregon's best shot and generally does better than several more-talented teams. I will be curious to see what Banker with "more talent" can do against Oregon this year. |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 11, 2016 16:59:17 GMT -8
I don't know how you're coming to the conclusion that Banker defenses handled teh Dux O better than other teams. If you're only looking at scores, then you might think that (even that isn't too convincing) but knowing the game and watching the Civil War games, I would completely disagree. The reason I don't even think the points paint the whole picture is that some of those games were over by halftime and the Ducks could have probably scored 80 in a couple of those games if they wanted to. They pretty much manhandled Banker's defenses. Banker defenses did well against the mid to late 90's Spread teams (like Erickson's offense) and some Pro Style. Actually in the "pros" he didn't do so hot, look at the records. In fact, Wyoming is probably the perfect type of offense (now) that Banker does well against. Go Beavs! Who needs facts, when you can spout biased nonsense? Am I right? Your argument basically is that Oregon State' defense did not do better than much more talented defenses against Oregon's offense. This is completely wrong. You follow it up with a fall-back argument that, even if Oregon State's defense did quantifiably do better, that the games were over at halftime in games with Oregon State and somehow not in games with other teams. This is also completely wrong. Teams that did worse than Banker's defense: 2009: Purdue, California, Washington State, Washington, Pete Carroll's USC, Harbaugh's Stanford, Erickson's Arizona State, and Arizona. 2010: New Mexico, Tennessee, Portland State, Erickson's Arizona State, Harbaugh's Stanford, Washington State, UCLA, Carroll's USC, Washington, and Arizona. 2011: Nevada, Missouri State, Arizona, and Stanford. 2012: Arkansas State, Tennessee Tech, RichRod's Arizona, Washington State, Washington, Colorado, USC, and California. 2013: Nicholls State, Virginia, Tennessee, California, Colorado, Washington, Washington State, UCLA, and Utah. 2014: South Dakota, Wyoming, California, Utah, Arizona, and Florida State. Much more talented teams did much worse than Oregon State at stopping Oregon rather consistently. Civil War score at halftime: 2009: Oregon State 23 - Oregon 21 2010: Oregon 16 - Oregon State 7 (Fake punt and the offense was too conservative in the second half.) 2011: Oregon 28 - Oregon State 7 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 11:44 left in the fourth after going up 42-7.) 2012: Oregon 20 - Oregon State 10 (6 Oregon State turnovers. The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 8:24 left in the fourth after going up 48-17.) 2013: 17-17 tie. 2014: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 3 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 5:00 left in the fourth after going up 47-17.) Oregon is filled with a bunch of classless morons. They will always pour it on Oregon State, if they can. Always. They will always try to pour it on Oregon State over other teams. Always. The fact is that Oregon State always takes Oregon's best shot and generally does better than several more-talented teams. I will be curious to see what Banker with "more talent" can do against Oregon this year. Facts?! Lol. What are these "facts" that you are using? What are you basing your idea of other teams being "worse" than Banker's D? You just listed a bunch of teams and seriously...you threw in FCS teams. C'mon!. Let's not forget that we've lost every one of those CWs listed and ultimately that's what matters but I'm looking at it from the standpoint that Banker's teams never played well against option teams. Option football is, is option football whether it's triple, speed, lead or read option. You defend it by playing assignment football on defense (football defense 101). Not only would Banker lead defenses miss the QB assignment (allowing him to be unaccounted for and run all over them) but Banker's defenses would also give up the "edge" constantly! What I mean by the "edge" is that they would consistently lose contain/force on the perimeters. And....Banker defenses were terrible open field and just tackling in general. You can look at stats all you want and use that as your marker to say you think Banker is a great D coordinator, or whatever you want but I disagree. Yards and statistics don't tell the whole picture. If they did, some (not me) might say Oregon looks like they might go undefeated ha ha. BTW Banker had "more talent" last season and how many games did they lose (especially giving up huge chunk plays and scores at the end of games)? Go Beavs! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 11, 2016 17:35:06 GMT -8
Who needs facts, when you can spout biased nonsense? Am I right? Your argument basically is that Oregon State' defense did not do better than much more talented defenses against Oregon's offense. This is completely wrong. You follow it up with a fall-back argument that, even if Oregon State's defense did quantifiably do better, that the games were over at halftime in games with Oregon State and somehow not in games with other teams. This is also completely wrong. Teams that did worse than Banker's defense: 2009: Purdue, California, Washington State, Washington, Pete Carroll's USC, Harbaugh's Stanford, Erickson's Arizona State, and Arizona. 2010: New Mexico, Tennessee, Portland State, Erickson's Arizona State, Harbaugh's Stanford, Washington State, UCLA, Carroll's USC, Washington, and Arizona. 2011: Nevada, Missouri State, Arizona, and Stanford. 2012: Arkansas State, Tennessee Tech, RichRod's Arizona, Washington State, Washington, Colorado, USC, and California. 2013: Nicholls State, Virginia, Tennessee, California, Colorado, Washington, Washington State, UCLA, and Utah. 2014: South Dakota, Wyoming, California, Utah, Arizona, and Florida State. Much more talented teams did much worse than Oregon State at stopping Oregon rather consistently. Civil War score at halftime: 2009: Oregon State 23 - Oregon 21 2010: Oregon 16 - Oregon State 7 (Fake punt and the offense was too conservative in the second half.) 2011: Oregon 28 - Oregon State 7 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 11:44 left in the fourth after going up 42-7.) 2012: Oregon 20 - Oregon State 10 (6 Oregon State turnovers. The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 8:24 left in the fourth after going up 48-17.) 2013: 17-17 tie. 2014: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 3 (The Ducks' first team offense stayed in until 5:00 left in the fourth after going up 47-17.) Oregon is filled with a bunch of classless morons. They will always pour it on Oregon State, if they can. Always. They will always try to pour it on Oregon State over other teams. Always. The fact is that Oregon State always takes Oregon's best shot and generally does better than several more-talented teams. I will be curious to see what Banker with "more talent" can do against Oregon this year. Facts?! Lol. What are these "facts" that you are using? What are you basing your idea of other teams being "worse" than Banker's D? You just listed a bunch of teams and seriously...you threw in FCS teams. C'mon!. Let's not forget that we've lost every one of those CWs listed and ultimately that's what matters but I'm looking at it from the standpoint that Banker's teams never played well against option teams. Option football is, is option football whether it's triple, speed, lead or read option. You defend it by playing assignment football on defense (football defense 101). Not only would Banker lead defenses miss the QB assignment (allowing him to be unaccounted for and run all over them) but Banker's defenses would also give up the "edge" constantly! What I mean by the "edge" is that they would consistently lose contain/force on the perimeters. And....Banker defenses were terrible open field and just tackling in general. You can look at stats all you want and use that as your marker to say you think Banker is a great D coordinator, or whatever you want but I disagree. Yards and statistics don't tell the whole picture. If they did, some (not me) might say Oregon looks like they might go undefeated ha ha. BTW Banker had "more talent" last season and how many games did they lose (especially giving up huge chunk plays and scores at the end of games)? Go Beavs! Dude. Give up while you're behind. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 11, 2016 18:09:01 GMT -8
Oregon Season Averages:
2009: 180 yards passing, 232 yards rushing (412 Total) 36.7 ppg - Civil War: 201 yards passing, 288 rushing (489 total) 37 points
2010: 244 yards passing, 286 yards rushing (530 Total) 47.0 ppg - Civil War: 145 yards passing, 336 rushing (491 total) 37 points
2011: 223 yards passing, 299 yards rushing (523 Total) 46.1 ppg - Civil War: 305 yards passing, 365 rushing (670 total) 49 points
2012: 222 yards passing, 315 yards rushing (537 Total) 49.5 ppg - Civil War: 140 yards passing, 430 rushing (570 total) 48 points
2013: 292 yards passing, 273 yards rushing (565 Total) 45.5 ppg - Civil War: 285 yards passing, 283 rushing (568 total) 36 points
2014: 312 yards passing, 235 yards rushing (547 Total) 45.4 ppg - Civil War: 367 yards passing, 198 rushing (565 total) 47 points
My analysis: Our D was almost perfectly average against the Ducks. Banker was not an exceptional defensive coordinator vs. Oregon's offense, but he wasn't any worse than anyone else, either.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2016 21:24:01 GMT -8
BTW Banker had "more talent" last season and how many games did they lose (especially giving up huge chunk plays and scores at the end of games)?
Go Beavs!
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Hmmm, do you really want to compare Banker's first season of revamping a defense against any other team's? You certainly don't want to compare his first season as coordinator at NU versus that of the guy that replaced him at OSU... it doesn't come close. It wasn't Bankers D (although you have a point on the several hail mary passes NU unsuccessfully defended) that lost those games at NU last year. They lost 5 games by a total of 13 points and no games by more than 10 using a revamped offense playing with players recruited for a completely different system. We could only dream to have had the success here last year that NU had last year under similar circumstances.
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Post by eugenedave on Sept 11, 2016 21:48:09 GMT -8
I thought Holes defense last night looked like crap. Both the run and pass. They got gashed repeatedly up the middle. They got outscored in the second half, by a ho-hum team. Their offense was impressive, and they were holding on a lot of plays (as usual), got caught on only a few. That's why they won.
Hope Riley & Co. beat them like a drum in Lincoln next week.
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