lefty
Freshman
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Post by lefty on Jan 29, 2023 19:27:04 GMT -8
Seal the deal? How many games this year have we lost a 4th quarter lead. Thid game took it out of me. I can't believe how we play with leads. Just totally pathetic!
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 29, 2023 20:16:59 GMT -8
Seal the deal? How many games this year have we lost a 4th quarter lead. Thid game took it out of me. I can't believe how we play with leads. Just totally pathetic! Yeah, it really hurts doesn't it? This is a young team, with good young talent. That is what happens with young talent. It's a positive that the Beavs are in on a lot of close games. Even some of the non conference games that should have been easy wins were close games. The team will learn from these games. We can blame the losses on coaches, officials, whatever, but in the end, the players need to learn how to close out games, and they will learn from these experiences. It's no fun to lose though and we all wish the progress would be quicker.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 29, 2023 20:19:44 GMT -8
Seal the deal? How many games this year have we lost a 4th quarter lead. Thid game took it out of me. I can't believe how we play with leads. Just totally pathetic! Yeah, it really hurts doesn't it? This is a young team, with good young talent. That is what happens with young talent. It's a positive that the Beavs are in on a lot of close games. Even some of the non conference games that should have been easy wins were close games. The team will learn from these games. We can blame the losses on coaches, officials, whatever, but in the end, the players need to learn how to close out games, and they will learn from these experiences. It's no fun to lose though and we all wish the progress would be quicker. So you think the downward trend over the past 9 years is an aberration?
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 29, 2023 20:59:29 GMT -8
Yeah, it really hurts doesn't it? This is a young team, with good young talent. That is what happens with young talent. It's a positive that the Beavs are in on a lot of close games. Even some of the non conference games that should have been easy wins were close games. The team will learn from these games. We can blame the losses on coaches, officials, whatever, but in the end, the players need to learn how to close out games, and they will learn from these experiences. It's no fun to lose though and we all wish the progress would be quicker. So you think the downward trend over the past 9 years is an aberration? No, it's real. What is also real is that if this team sticks together they will be a lot better next year than this season. If any of the quality players transfer out, or if SR fails to use the transfer portal efficiently, the progress will be slow, or even nonexistent. If Beers, Gardiner, TVO, etc return, the downward trend is over. No doubt about that.
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Post by damnstraight on Jan 29, 2023 23:36:53 GMT -8
I find it interesting that CSR cannot recruit a quality, fast, good 3 pt. Shooting, facilitating guard to save his soul when Gravy down the road has 3, with another coming in next year. Why can't OSU attract a quality guard, even just one..?
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 30, 2023 7:40:30 GMT -8
Many think it’s because of his style of play. He has a very methodical, controlling style of offense and apparently good guards want to play a more open, creative style.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 30, 2023 8:39:36 GMT -8
I find it interesting that CSR cannot recruit a quality, fast, good 3 pt. Shooting, facilitating guard to save his soul when Gravy down the road has 3, with another coming in next year. Why can't OSU attract a quality guard, even just one..? Graves coached Ionescu and Vandersloot, gee I wonder why passing/shooting wonderkinds want to be couched by him??
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Post by jefframp on Jan 30, 2023 8:51:42 GMT -8
I find it interesting that CSR cannot recruit a quality, fast, good 3 pt. Shooting, facilitating guard to save his soul when Gravy down the road has 3, with another coming in next year. Why can't OSU attract a quality guard, even just one..? Graves coached Ionescu and Vandersloot, gee I wonder why passing/shooting wonderkinds want to be couched by him?? I think being "couched" by Graves should be a WHOLE 'nother subject on a different board. LOLOL
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rafer
Sophomore
Posts: 1,627
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Post by rafer on Jan 30, 2023 9:51:34 GMT -8
Seal the deal? How many games this year have we lost a 4th quarter lead. Thid game took it out of me. I can't believe how we play with leads. Just totally pathetic! OK, can we all put this tournament team to bed now!! They are going nowhere except back home with a huge losing record. We're getting out played and out hustled by the teams that just aren't very good, which means, we're likely going to be at the bottom of the PAC, 10, 11, 12, and looking up at everybody else. complete meltdown and totally out coached, out played. Is the talent level what we've been led to believe? Maybe the young thing is closer to not very good? 3-7, 8 games left and 5 are against top 25 teams. I'm thinking we MIGHT win 2 more, end up 5-13, there isn't going to be a streak. No tourney for you!! Just another terribly disappointing and regretful season. Who will be going to the portal, because some undoubtedly will want to find a winner? The once mighty have fallen and can't get up.. Depressing for the kids and the fans. Baseball can't come soon enough.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 30, 2023 11:51:57 GMT -8
We have a great core and just missing a quality PG (or two). Quality, meaning can run the offense without Rueck calling every single play from the sidelines, has great handles, can breakdown the defense, great passer, and can shoot from deep, mid-range, and get to the rim. Not asking much! But that is what this team is missing. Think of how our win-loss record would be different if we had the junior/senior version of Aleah Goodman at the point! Aleah was also the undisputed leader on the floor.
We would definitely be talking about our NCAA Tournament prospects right now if that critical position was in our starting 5.
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beav74
Freshman
Posts: 741
Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on Jan 30, 2023 11:52:32 GMT -8
Your last paragraph says it all! "3-7, 8 games left and 5 are against top 25 teams." As in years past, you DIDN'T have 5 in the top 25! Doing the "pocket schedule" for the Pac-12....SC, UW, WSU, UA, CAL, UTAH were all pretty much sure wins! Not anymore!
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 30, 2023 14:50:29 GMT -8
I find it interesting that CSR cannot recruit a quality, fast, good 3 pt. Shooting, facilitating guard to save his soul when Gravy down the road has 3, with another coming in next year. Why can't OSU attract a quality guard, even just one..? Graves coached Ionescu and Vandersloot, gee I wonder why passing/shooting wonderkinds want to be couched by him?? KG has also lost a heckuva lot more players because of his personality and his coaching style. Wouldn’t take him over anybody.
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Post by grayman on Jan 30, 2023 15:14:54 GMT -8
Yeah, it really hurts doesn't it? This is a young team, with good young talent. That is what happens with young talent. It's a positive that the Beavs are in on a lot of close games. Even some of the non conference games that should have been easy wins were close games. The team will learn from these games. We can blame the losses on coaches, officials, whatever, but in the end, the players need to learn how to close out games, and they will learn from these experiences. It's no fun to lose though and we all wish the progress would be quicker. So you think the downward trend over the past 9 years is an aberration? There's been a downward trend but not for 9 years. Not even close. That was two seasons (both NCAA Tournament seasons) leading into the Final Four season. And I don't think that leveling out and making the Sweet 16 was a huge downward trend. At the most, it started around the 2017-18 season, which ended with one and done in the NCAAs with a blowout loss to Western Kentucky. The next year was sort of smoke and mirrors with wins against Boise State and Gonzaga (both good teams but teams that Oregon State could match as far as speed and quickness). Then came Louisville, who ran the Beavers off the court. Then came the 10-8 Pac-12 season and canceled NCAA tourney due to COVID and it's been a much more significant drop off from there.
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Post by grayman on Jan 30, 2023 15:34:36 GMT -8
I find it interesting that CSR cannot recruit a quality, fast, good 3 pt. Shooting, facilitating guard to save his soul when Gravy down the road has 3, with another coming in next year. Why can't OSU attract a quality guard, even just one..? He had one in Destiny Slocum. People act like she was the type to bounce from one team to another, but she played at OSU for three seasons. And she was one of the best to ever play the position for the Beavers. Look at the stats. From what I was told, she would have finished her career here if it wasn't for Rueck trying to reign her in to play his game. And yeah, I know that she came back for a camp. Big deal. Just because she might have had some differences with Rueck doesn't mean they dislike each other. But that's as far as I want to get into that because I don't want this to devolve into an argument about why Slocum left. My point is that IMO there were negative optics surrounding her leaving OSU and there's no doubt that recruits were/are still aware of that (recruiters for other teams no doubt make sure of it). Combine that and the tendency for top point guards to get lured by teams that play more dynamic, uptempo offenses (which is also no doubt pointed out by rival recruiters) and you have a problem.
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osu82
Freshman
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Post by osu82 on Jan 30, 2023 16:06:25 GMT -8
So you think the downward trend over the past 9 years is an aberration? There's been a downward trend but not for 9 years. Not even close. That was two seasons (both NCAA Tournament seasons) leading into the Final Four season. And I don't think that leveling out and making the Sweet 16 was a huge downward trend. At the most, it started around the 2017-18 season, which ended with one and done in the NCAAs with a blowout loss to Western Kentucky. The next year was sort of smoke and mirrors with wins against Boise State and Gonzaga (both good teams but teams that Oregon State could match as far as speed and quickness). Then came Louisville, who ran the Beavers off the court. Then came the 10-8 Pac-12 season and canceled NCAA tourney due to COVID and it's been a much more significant drop off from there. ’17-18 was Gulich’s senior season, and the Beavs lost to Louisville in the Elite Eight. They blew out Western Kentucky on the road to get there, along with beating Tennessee and Baylor. Hardly one and done.
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