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Post by irimi on Jan 28, 2023 22:06:21 GMT -8
Wow, we're sold lol. Random internet articles about "worst coaching gigs" sound super credible 🙄 Gee how does OSU have success in any sport (football, WBB, baseball, men's soccer, gymnastics, I could go on) with such poor institutional support. A lot of those worst coaching gig articles are literally based on questionnaires answered by Pac 12 coaches, not some random reporters' opinions. Also, our women's and non-income sports are actually well supported comparatively. OSU's sports budget overall is fairly healthy, but neither Football or Basketball budgets are in the even lower middle of the league. Basketball probably gets hosed the most when it comes to budgets (I'm not talking coaching salaries, there finally starting to be mid-level competitive there in both sports). www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/pac-12-basketball-coaches-rank-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-06-27-2019/amp/It's the same old "chicken or the egg" dilemma. It's the way OSU and schools like OSU seem to always work. Win and the money is there. The excitement is there. The donors are there. Lose and there's no money. No excitement. No donors. But you can't win without spending money...... Smith did it. He took a crappy team and breathed life into it. He kept that going to where it is now and the excitement for OSU football is pretty huge. And the money's there. Finish the stadium. Big new contract.... We wouldn't be talking about this if last year had gone differently. Tinkle did the work and got the whole state believing in the Beavs again with the tournaments. But all went for naught when he crashed and burned in the most epic way possible. A strong finish to this year would do wonders for the program. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 28, 2023 22:47:57 GMT -8
It's fairly well accepted that the Fiesta Bowl brought in a lot of excitement, probably money as well, and the AD at the time DIDN'T reinvest that energy windfall in football and menn's BB. Chicken/Egg should not be the discussion, they finally started coming around on investment in football when Nebraska wooed Riley away, it still took a bunch of bad seasons and another new hire to start getting it right.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 29, 2023 10:19:48 GMT -8
It's fairly well accepted that the Fiesta Bowl brought in a lot of excitement, probably money as well, and the AD at the time DIDN'T reinvest that energy windfall in football and menn's BB. Chicken/Egg should not be the discussion, they finally started coming around on investment in football when Nebraska wooed Riley away, it still took a bunch of bad seasons and another new hire to start getting it right. Didn't invest in football? We spent nearly $100 million on the new east grandstand and south end zone grandstand and scoreboard and upgraded the Valley Center within five years of winning the Fiesta Bowl. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 29, 2023 11:36:12 GMT -8
It's fairly well accepted that the Fiesta Bowl brought in a lot of excitement, probably money as well, and the AD at the time DIDN'T reinvest that energy windfall in football and menn's BB. Chicken/Egg should not be the discussion, they finally started coming around on investment in football when Nebraska wooed Riley away, it still took a bunch of bad seasons and another new hire to start getting it right. Didn't invest in football? We spent nearly $100 million on the new east grandstand and south end zone grandstand and scoreboard and upgraded the Valley Center within five years of winning the Fiesta Bowl. You are correct on that, I guess I'm kind of blending eras. After that build Riley had a stretch of good seasons with pretty much a full Reser, from what I understand that was largely spent on the other programs, Riley and staff were still paid on the low side, further expansion was tabled for the time. At any rate, we've had successfull periods of time where the football program did not enjoy the financial benefit of their success as far as reinvestment in the program. You cannot look at it in a vacuum, while our program investment was sitting relatively still post east side remodel, other teams in the Pac were spending heavily. It's sort of an arms race, and if OSU doesn't invest like the other guys it's kind of unreasonable to expect to stay at or near the top of the league. Riley's hire by NU was kind of a huge wake-up call. They have been really investing in football since, basketball not so much. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 29, 2023 11:57:05 GMT -8
I see an opportunity with MBB. OSU could invest at a moderate level: pay WT and the assistants a little more, do some upgrades and modernizing of Gill, some type of PR campaign to help with recruiting and of course, encourage the DamN and GK NIL collectives to entice some 4 star kids to Corvallis. Might be good idea to wait until we get a solid Pac12 media deal (next month would be nice!).
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 29, 2023 12:08:10 GMT -8
Gill recently got brand-new lighting, a nice new scoreboard and video board and the interior of the arena was refreshed. New concession areas were added recently. The lobby has been redone several times in the past decade. Locker rooms were totally redone. The front plaza was totally redone two years ago.
Gill is being upgraded constantly.
Even after the east side/south end zone projects, Reser was being upgraded. The Valley Center was expanded and a new locker room was opened in 2016 or so. Brand-new seating was added in the north end zone. The weightroom was totally overhauled within the past two years.
We've never sat still.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 29, 2023 12:24:31 GMT -8
Didn't invest in football? We spent nearly $100 million on the new east grandstand and south end zone grandstand and scoreboard and upgraded the Valley Center within five years of winning the Fiesta Bowl. You are correct on that, I guess I'm kind of blending eras. After that build Riley had a stretch of good seasons with pretty much a full Reser, from what I understand that was largely spent on the other programs, Riley and staff were still paid on the low side, further expansion was tabled for the time. At any rate, we've had successfull periods of time where the football program did not enjoy the financial benefit of their success as far as reinvestment in the program. You cannot look at it in a vacuum, while our program investment was sitting relatively still post east side remodel, other teams in the Pac were spending heavily. It's sort of an arms race, and if OSU doesn't invest like the other guys it's kind of unreasonable to expect to stay at or near the top of the league. Riley's hire by NU was kind of a huge wake-up call. They have been really investing in football since, basketball not so much. Except that new practice facility, Gill upgrades, and other things. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 29, 2023 12:28:06 GMT -8
I see an opportunity with MBB. OSU could invest at a moderate level: pay WT and the assistants a little more, do some upgrades and modernizing of Gill, some type of PR campaign to help with recruiting and of course, encourage the DamN and GK NIL collectives to entice some 4 star kids to Corvallis. Might be good idea to wait until we get a solid Pac12 media deal (next month would be nice!). You lost me at pay WT more. Pay WT more? For what possible reason? Is he only coaching to a certain level until he gets paid more? Sandbagging the secret coaching skills until he gets more money? Crazy, baby. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 29, 2023 12:45:33 GMT -8
I'm gonna laugh my azz off if Tinks takes these kids to the NCAA tournament and makes some noise in 2024 or 2025. I think it would be similar to the 2020-21 run where some OSU alum were rooting against the Beaver team. These are the same people who said WT would never take a team to NCAA tournament, let alone win 3 games against Tennessee, Oklahoma St and Loyola. Also said his team would never win the Pac12 tournament, etc.
WT not only proved these people wrong, he embarrassed them. They're still butthurt. I still think it's funny.
And these are the same people who are worried he will do it again, that's why they want him gone asap.
Stubborn people who can't admit they were wrong.
Spud, I'm talking to you.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 29, 2023 13:21:30 GMT -8
I'm gonna laugh my azz off if Tinks takes these kids to the NCAA tournament and makes some noise in 2024 or 2025. I think it would be similar to the 2020-21 run where some OSU alum were rooting against the Beaver team. These are the same people who said WT would never take a team to NCAA tournament, let alone win 3 games against Tennessee, Oklahoma St and Loyola. Also said his team would never win the Pac12 tournament, etc. WT not only proved these people wrong, he embarrassed them. They're still butthurt. I still think it's funny. And these are the same people who are worried he will do it again, that's why they want him gone asap. Stubborn people who can't admit they were wrong. Spud, I'm talking to you. I’m sorry, but this is a stupid post. I have never cheered against ANY Beaver team in any sport, in my life. Your posts are not smart, and wildly inaccurate. If the men’s hoop team goes to ANY tournament I’ll be cheering my ass off for them. Hell, I cheered on the CBI teams for heck’s sake! I’ll be cheering for them in the P12 tourney. I just don’t hold out much hope that they will have much success. I also think we can do better than Coach Tinkle. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend? Your writing is coherent so you must be at least semi-intelligent, it just doesn’t come through in your reasoning. Maybe you should move on to something new. Maybe defend Gary Anderpants time here. That should provide a good challenge. *Edit: I don’t think Tinkle is a very good coach. But I hope to Hell that he proves me wrong and embarrasses me all the way to a National Title! The ultimate facial! |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 29, 2023 13:27:26 GMT -8
The WT hater's worst nightmare is another Beaver NCAA run. Not only does it destroy their narrative and validate his coaching legacy at OSU, but most importantly, it proves them wrong. They will deny it. You'll see them band together and attack me, I expect that. Go MBB. Go Beavs. Always.
It was a great win last night, that's another reason they're angry.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 29, 2023 13:52:21 GMT -8
The WT hater's worst nightmare is another Beaver NCAA run. Not only does it destroy their narrative and validate his coaching legacy at OSU, but most importantly, it proves them wrong. They will deny it. You'll see them band together and attack me, I expect that. Go MBB. Go Beavs. Always. It was a great win last night, that's another reason they're angry. Always the victim. Everyone always picking on you. It was a nice win. Don't know about great. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 29, 2023 14:05:03 GMT -8
Beaverology: I don't know of anybody that hates tinkle. He seems like a nice guy. Many aren't happy with his record going into the 9th year.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 29, 2023 14:06:56 GMT -8
Beaverology - With the exception of a couple of people who only post once in a while, I don't think the "want a change" crowd is saying Tinkle is a horrible coach. My thought is that out of the 75 or so P6 head coaches, Tink is around 50 to 59. I want him to succeed. I want the players to develop in all aspects of their life. I think the coaches do too. And you can't say that about all 75 coaches across the country.
My thought if we are to put more money and emphasis into the program is to somehow fund player salaries better (it's ugly but it is the reality now) and then maybe bump up the assistant salary pool. If we do that we will have better on court results. If we financially support the program in the middle of that group of 75 and the results are in the 50's, 60's or 70's, then you make the change.
My greatest headache with Tinkle is last year. Some people on this board say they know but they don't spill. I don't know what happened but if players were actively undermining the team they should have been told "you have your scholarship for the rest of the year but don't set foot in the practice facility or Gill again."
This team could use Lucas, Rand and maybe Hunt. I don't think any of those three were a problem. The young guys growth would not be as great but we would and would have had more wins this year and last year.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2023 14:08:03 GMT -8
You are correct on that, I guess I'm kind of blending eras. After that build Riley had a stretch of good seasons with pretty much a full Reser, from what I understand that was largely spent on the other programs, Riley and staff were still paid on the low side, further expansion was tabled for the time. At any rate, we've had successfull periods of time where the football program did not enjoy the financial benefit of their success as far as reinvestment in the program. You cannot look at it in a vacuum, while our program investment was sitting relatively still post east side remodel, other teams in the Pac were spending heavily. It's sort of an arms race, and if OSU doesn't invest like the other guys it's kind of unreasonable to expect to stay at or near the top of the league. Riley's hire by NU was kind of a huge wake-up call. They have been really investing in football since, basketball not so much. What would have been accomplished by paying Riley and his staff more? Would he have sucked less most of the last few years of his tenure here? Him going to Nebraska and taking most of the same underperforming coaches with him that he had at OSU proved that his ability to build a strong staff at OSU wasn't hamstrung by salary limitations. It was hamstrung by his own blind loyalty to coaches that weren't getting the job done. It was not just salary. But Riley lost at least one great assistant to another program, who paid them more. The other aspect was that BDC did not reinvest in the program's facilities. Those guys that you could pull with average facilities, you lost when the facilities were slightly more dated. At the end, BDC was squeezing Riley out, because he thought it was in the best long-term interest of the program. And it flatly wasn't. |
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