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Post by beavsteve on Jan 4, 2023 10:17:46 GMT -8
Rueck, TVO, and Lex. link. BeaversEdge |
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Post by greybeav on Jan 4, 2023 11:28:17 GMT -8
Rueck, TVO, and Lex. link. BeaversEdge thanks for this, so impressed by TVO in her interviews, so mature, speaks "off the cuff" very well, she did forget to say "Go Beavs" at the end. Syd used to give me a heart attack when she said it very loud because you have to have the volume way up hoping to hear the reporters questions. |
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 4, 2023 12:05:52 GMT -8
Rueck, TVO, and Lex. link. BeaversEdge thanks for this, so impressed by TVO in her interviews, so mature, speaks "off the cuff" very well, she did forget to say "Go Beavs" at the end. Syd used to give me a heart attack when she said it very loud because you have to have the volume way up hoping to hear the reporters questions. Hopefully that’s not a sign of waning enthusiasm. I agree with a previous poster that in recent games she’s seems tired or ill… maybe a bit depressed.. sure hope it’s not the latter. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 4, 2023 12:49:33 GMT -8
thanks for this, so impressed by TVO in her interviews, so mature, speaks "off the cuff" very well, she did forget to say "Go Beavs" at the end. Syd used to give me a heart attack when she said it very loud because you have to have the volume way up hoping to hear the reporters questions. Hopefully that’s not a sign of waning enthusiasm. I agree with a previous poster that in recent games she’s seems tired or ill… maybe a bit depressed.. sure hope it’s not the latter. I thought the same thing. Something has changed. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 4, 2023 13:29:20 GMT -8
Man, here we go again. Now it's after an interview. Every time TVO has an off game, people say she looks ill, tired, whatever.
Look, I'm not saying it never happens. She probably has felt exhausted or maybe a little sick during a game or two. But it's every time. And it happened last season as well. It's never the go-to when any other player plays poorly.
I suspect that maybe TVO has had somewhat of a difficult time finding her way with some new players coming in and maybe taking away some of the things that she's done in the past...maybe she doesn't have the ball in her hands quite as much or in comfortable situations for her. Certainly the rise of Beers has impacted the offense.
Maybe she's frustrated with her play. I don't think it's something to wring our hands over unless it goes on for an extended time.
BTW, she hit eight straight free throws at the end of the UCLA game to preserve the win. Granted, she did miss a couple shots in the fourth but hitting the FTs doesn't seem to be something that an ill/overly tired player would do.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Jan 4, 2023 13:54:29 GMT -8
What do we really know about her normal personality? - vs. on camera? - vs. in a game? - vs. a game where they are winning or losing? What do we really know about her? She's a competitor that wants to win. Wallowing in a loss or staying with a win for too long isn't useful to a competitor.
I think she's adapting to each event and is doing her best to win every game.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by lotrader on Jan 4, 2023 14:40:34 GMT -8
TvO is just calm...that's it.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 4, 2023 15:07:48 GMT -8
TvO is just calm...that's it. I think some folks are just projecting their own middle aged angst onto a 20 year old WBB player. It’s silly. |
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 4, 2023 15:54:50 GMT -8
TvO is just calm...that's it. I don't know if 'that's it' or not, but that is a large part of it with her. I remember watching High School film and wondering how good she really was because it almost seemed she was not trying, yet knowing she was scoring at will. Truth is, I see a lot of improvement in her game this year, and her leadership skills. I just took a look at stats compared to last season, and it turns out she has improved her stats in just about every category. 3pt shooting percentage is down, but overall shooting percentage is up. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 4, 2023 16:28:03 GMT -8
TvO is just calm...that's it. I don't know if 'that's it' or not, but that is a large part of it with her. I remember watching High School film and wondering how good she really was because it almost seemed she was not trying, yet knowing she was scoring at will. Truth is, I see a lot of improvement in her game this year, and her leadership skills. I just took a look at stats compared to last season, and it turns out she has improved her stats in just about every category. 3pt shooting percentage is down, but overall shooting percentage is up. She's played very well against lesser teams and not so well against stronger ones. A big part of her overall shooting percentage boost comes from going 8-14 against Seattle, 10-19 against Eastern Washington, 5-6 against Southern and of course, 17-20 against Nevada. She played pretty well against Iowa (7-16, 22 points). But she went 2-9 vs. Duke, 3-13 vs. UO, 4-14 vs. LSU, 2-9 vs. USC and 2-13 vs. a very athletic Jackson State team. It's obvious that she tends to have more difficulty against quicker/faster teams. But two recent games really stand out to me. Against N.C. Central, TVO went 4-10 for 11 points. Beers had 27 and Aaron 17. Then against UCLA, TVO went 2-13 but hit 10-10 free throws for 15 points. Yeaney also had 15 as did Aaron. Beers had 22. My point is that I believe we're seeing the torch being passed on to Beers to a large degree as the go-to scorer and Yeaney as the playmaker. It was most evident during those two games but has been a gradual process this season. TVO's role has changed somewhat and so I think she's also in an adjustment period. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 4, 2023 17:00:47 GMT -8
TvO is just calm...that's it. I think some folks are just projecting their own middle aged angst onto a 20 year old WBB player. It’s silly. I wish I had middle aged angst to project; it would mean I was middle aged again. |
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Post by jimbob on Jan 4, 2023 20:12:43 GMT -8
grayman says "My point is that I believe we're seeing the torch being passed on to Beers to a large degree as the go-to scorer and Yeaney as the playmaker. It was most evident during those two games but has been a gradual process this season.
TVO's role has changed somewhat and so I think she's also in an adjustment period."
I think you hit the nail on the head with that comment grayman...TVO is in an adjustment period as is the team and the coach with her role---the reason she was 2-13 from the floor was that she wasn't getting good shots---most every shot she took was forced in traffic and or under duress---the one open 3 she got she nailed from about 28ft. When open she is as good or even better from 3 than Kat Tudor was with maybe even more range! So the coach and the team and TVO need to find a way to utilize this talent---Get her stationed out on the wing or baseline like Kat and Katie used to be and then run some plays to get her an open look at a 3 or have the posts kick it out to her when they are doubled or tripled which you know is going to happen this weekend--RB will not be single covered anymore this year like UCLA tried to do with her!
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 4, 2023 21:35:22 GMT -8
I don't know if 'that's it' or not, but that is a large part of it with her. I remember watching High School film and wondering how good she really was because it almost seemed she was not trying, yet knowing she was scoring at will. Truth is, I see a lot of improvement in her game this year, and her leadership skills. I just took a look at stats compared to last season, and it turns out she has improved her stats in just about every category. 3pt shooting percentage is down, but overall shooting percentage is up. She's played very well against lesser teams and not so well against stronger ones. A big part of her overall shooting percentage boost comes from going 8-14 against Seattle, 10-19 against Eastern Washington, 5-6 against Southern and of course, 17-20 against Nevada. She played pretty well against Iowa (7-16, 22 points). But she went 2-9 vs. Duke, 3-13 vs. UO, 4-14 vs. LSU, 2-9 vs. USC and 2-13 vs. a very athletic Jackson State team. It's obvious that she tends to have more difficulty against quicker/faster teams. But two recent games really stand out to me. Against N.C. Central, TVO went 4-10 for 11 points. Beers had 27 and Aaron 17. Then against UCLA, TVO went 2-13 but hit 10-10 free throws for 15 points. Yeaney also had 15 as did Aaron. Beers had 22. My point is that I believe we're seeing the torch being passed on to Beers to a large degree as the go-to scorer and Yeaney as the playmaker. It was most evident during those two games but has been a gradual process this season. TVO's role has changed somewhat and so I think she's also in an adjustment period. I think some people are making this out to be bigger than it is. Everyone on the team is going thru an adjustment. Only four players returned, and only Talia was a full time starter. Seven players are getting adjusted to a new team or new level of basketball, and new teammates. The hope all along was that the Beavs would add more scoring, and that is beginning to happen, yet Talia is still the team's leading scorer. It's easy to say a player has better stats against lesser talent, because they almost always do. It's also easy to say someone struggles against faster/quicker players, because they almost all do. The more the Beavs can get scoring from Aaron, Bendu, Beers, Jelena, etc the better off they will be. I certainly don't think any of this bothers Talia. In fact, I think she thrives on it, which has led to better stats across the board. Grayman is certainly right about her shooting/scoring this season, but then, the big games have just begun. She has proven in the past that she can have uneventful nights against quality teams like Stanford, and have strong games against the likes of UCLA, Oregon, and more. I don't think any of this should leave anyone on this board to read something in to her not saying "Go Beavs" at the end of her interview. I will say this again, I do love the enthusiasm Beers shows with her "Go Beavs" when closing out interviews. Raegan is going to be such a positive promoter of this program. Her attitude is infectious. I don't believe any of that has to do with |
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Post by greybeav on Jan 4, 2023 23:50:40 GMT -8
To be clear, I was joking about her not saying "Go Beavs", as a rule, only 1 or 2 players do, Rueck does inconsistently, Syd did it, Mik did it I think, and most others did not, including Aleah, etc. etc. EAch year more players are picking up on it. I don't know if they have a meeting and decide who is the designated one (also a joke) , but it means nothing !
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Post by grayman on Jan 4, 2023 23:51:59 GMT -8
She's played very well against lesser teams and not so well against stronger ones. A big part of her overall shooting percentage boost comes from going 8-14 against Seattle, 10-19 against Eastern Washington, 5-6 against Southern and of course, 17-20 against Nevada. She played pretty well against Iowa (7-16, 22 points). But she went 2-9 vs. Duke, 3-13 vs. UO, 4-14 vs. LSU, 2-9 vs. USC and 2-13 vs. a very athletic Jackson State team. It's obvious that she tends to have more difficulty against quicker/faster teams. But two recent games really stand out to me. Against N.C. Central, TVO went 4-10 for 11 points. Beers had 27 and Aaron 17. Then against UCLA, TVO went 2-13 but hit 10-10 free throws for 15 points. Yeaney also had 15 as did Aaron. Beers had 22. My point is that I believe we're seeing the torch being passed on to Beers to a large degree as the go-to scorer and Yeaney as the playmaker. It was most evident during those two games but has been a gradual process this season. TVO's role has changed somewhat and so I think she's also in an adjustment period. I think some people are making this out to be bigger than it is. Everyone on the team is going thru an adjustment. Only four players returned, and only Talia was a full time starter. Seven players are getting adjusted to a new team or new level of basketball, and new teammates. The hope all along was that the Beavs would add more scoring, and that is beginning to happen, yet Talia is still the team's leading scorer. It's easy to say a player has better stats against lesser talent, because they almost always do. It's also easy to say someone struggles against faster/quicker players, because they almost all do. The more the Beavs can get scoring from Aaron, Bendu, Beers, Jelena, etc the better off they will be. I certainly don't think any of this bothers Talia. In fact, I think she thrives on it, which has led to better stats across the board. Grayman is certainly right about her shooting/scoring this season, but then, the big games have just begun. She has proven in the past that she can have uneventful nights against quality teams like Stanford, and have strong games against the likes of UCLA, Oregon, and more. I don't think any of this should leave anyone on this board to read something in to her not saying "Go Beavs" at the end of her interview. I will say this again, I do love the enthusiasm Beers shows with her "Go Beavs" when closing out interviews. Raegan is going to be such a positive promoter of this program. Her attitude is infectious. I don't believe any of that has to do with Well, obviously the more players that are able to score helps the offense. I agree that there's not much to whether or not a player says "Go Beavs" at the end of an interview or does not seem excited or whatever. Players might tend to have better stats against worse teams but they don't necessarily have worse stats against better teams. And statistically TVO has not shot well in games against the stronger teams on the schedule so far, and the difference in her shooting shows a significant delineation between games vs. weaker teams and games vs. stronger teams. As of right now, that's where she sits. And no, not all players struggle against fast/quick players. TVO often does because she is not as fast/quick as many of the players (mostly guards) on other teams. She just isn't. Her offensive game is to hit shots from the perimeter and make strong drives to the basket using her power to overcome defenders. Or to find the open player with a pass. She often gets trapped by quick teams or stripped of the ball in the open court or simply draws double or triple teams because she's a threat shooting the ball. Talia is the leading scorer by season average because she had 32 points against Eastern Washington and 41 against Nevada (and yes, it counts). She's been the leading scorer for OSU in five games. Marotte in two, Pietsch and Mitrovic once each. Beers has been the leading scorer in six games, including the last three when she scored 27, 19 and 22. The ball isn't going to stop going into Beers unless a team figures out how to shut her down. Yeaney seems to be the go-to for handling the ball. Or Pietsch or Mannen at times. That's where a bunch of the players are after adjusting to a new roster, etc. So where does that leave TVO right now? Hopefully hitting shots from the perimeter more consistently and still driving the hoop when there's an opening. But she's no longer going to be the focal point of the offense most of the time. |
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