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Post by chinmusic on Dec 15, 2022 10:40:41 GMT -8
With USC firmly in the B1G family and the UCBOR giving UCLA the green light to move with their vote, we are now officially the PAC 12 -2. Expansion is on the horizon with SDSU and UNLV considered to be the most likely prospects to join the PAC in the near future. But will they be?
If our commissioner negotiates a decent media deal, would any current members of other Power-5 conferences be interested in shifting their allegiance to the PAC ? That might include a Big-12 defector or an ACC school if the geographic hurdle is workable. Because of the lucrative contracts the B1G and SEC currently enjoy, I doubt any of their member schools are interested in making a move.
Adding SDSU and UNLV makes sense - gaining San Diego/ soCal and Las Vegas exposure pencils out a plus for the PAC. The perception however, is a "mini-merger" with the MWC. Trading SDSU / UNLV for USC / UCLA is downgrade any way you cut it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 15, 2022 11:20:57 GMT -8
Trading SDSU / UNLV for USC / UCLA is downgrade any way you cut it.
Trading anyone for USC/UCLA is a downgrade. Just have to make the best of the situation we have.
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Post by chinmusic on Dec 15, 2022 11:55:26 GMT -8
We move on.
waiting for Michigan and Ohio State to defect and make us whole.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 15, 2022 13:40:11 GMT -8
With USC firmly in the B1G family and the UCBOR giving UCLA the green light to move with their vote, we are now officially the PAC 12 -2. Expansion is on the horizon with SDSU and UNLV considered to be the most likely prospects to join the PAC in the near future. But will they be? If our commissioner negotiates a decent media deal, would any current members of other Power-5 conferences be interested in shifting their allegiance to the PAC ? That might include a Big-12 defector or an ACC school if the geographic hurdle is workable. Because of the lucrative contracts the B1G and SEC currently enjoy, I doubt any of their member schools are interested in making a move. Adding SDSU and UNLV makes sense - gaining San Diego/ soCal and Las Vegas exposure pencils out a plus for the PAC. The perception however, is a "mini-merger" with the MWC. Trading SDSU / UNLV for USC / UCLA is downgrade any way you cut it.  It's not over, until it's over. There is an agreement to move by all parties, but it is still an agreement to agree, rather than actual agreement. Oklahoma and Texas are further gone than UCLA and USC, and they are still not officially out yet. (At this point, though, the cat is so far out of the bag that it might be impossible to get the cat back in there, though.) Once the Pac-12 starts sending invites out to other schools and receiving acceptances, then it's much closer to over. Things can still be done to stop this in its tracks and can still be done. It takes will, though. And I'm not sure that there is a sufficient force of will to stop this. Maybe, it takes luck? Bad luck, good luck. A sufficient force of luck to change the current inertia. There is certainly inertia for the Pac-12 minus 2. But things change. The Big East was going to be a nationwide super-conference at one point and now does not even play football. This is an extremely fluid situation. We know which way the river's flowing, but as Beavers, we know that sometimes sufficient hard work can divert the river from its current path. |
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Post by qbeaver on Dec 15, 2022 14:36:01 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 15, 2022 18:12:09 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets SMU does not have “the Dallas market”. Texas and A&M control that market…and to a lesser extent, TCU. SMU has some decent boosters, but they don’t have a broad audience. |
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Dec 15, 2022 20:09:05 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets SMU does not have “the Dallas market”. Texas and A&M control that market…and to a lesser extent, TCU. SMU has some decent boosters, but they don’t have a broad audience. Should have gone after Ok State, Houston, Texas Tech and SanDiego State immediately after the Red River shootout moved to the SEC. All 4 schools deliver major markets and academic profiles. Totally blew it when we didn’t attack to get the remaining major research universities in Texas, Oklahoma and SoCal while they all would have jumped and fast. Bad feeling ucla and sc blocked it while knowing they were on the way out. |
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Post by jdogge on Dec 15, 2022 20:41:17 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets University of British Columbia gets as Vancouver and Victoria markets. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 15, 2022 22:26:58 GMT -8
Isn’t it kind of ironic that we Beaver fans are dismissing some schools because they have small markets, while we sit in Corvallis?
I don’t remember the Arizona schools joining, but they have excelled within the Pac and brought brand value. Utah and Colorado….well, Utah has.
Let’s look for schools that want to commit to excellence in academics and in athletics. Market share should only be part of the equation.
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Post by messi on Dec 16, 2022 10:41:57 GMT -8
Rather than market size of the metropolitan area a program resides in, I'd rather look at the relevance of the program itself. Losing UCLA hurts, as they're consistent in making regionals year-after-year. USC on the other hand hasn't made a dent since the Beavers eliminated the Trojans back in 2005. Yes, they have won 12 national titles, but what has that done for them this century? Will the absence of the Trojans really be as impactful as UCLA's departure? And its not like the rest of the Pac-Whatever is terrible, we still are loaded with Arizona, Stanford, and the Beavers. And we can just simply schedule a series with Big West and WCC teams located in southern California, and still maintain an RPI of relevance while promoting the program to potential recruits in SoCal.
For baseball, the conference will endure.
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Post by qbeaver on Dec 16, 2022 10:43:57 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets SMU does not have “the Dallas market”. Texas and A&M control that market…and to a lesser extent, TCU. SMU has some decent boosters, but they don’t have a broad audience. No they don't,but it's Dallas Texas...the market is big,and tons of recruits in that area. How about Houston and SDS then? Same principle. |
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Post by qbeaver on Dec 16, 2022 10:45:31 GMT -8
Isn’t it kind of ironic that we Beaver fans are dismissing some schools because they have small markets, while we sit in Corvallis? I don’t remember the Arizona schools joining, but they have excelled within the Pac and brought brand value. Utah and Colorado….well, Utah has. Let’s look for schools that want to commit to excellence in academics and in athletics. Market share should only be part of the equation. This idea about expanding is all about money...market size...and football. Academics aren't as big of a deal in today's landscape. It used to matter...not as much any more. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 16, 2022 10:50:49 GMT -8
Isn’t it kind of ironic that we Beaver fans are dismissing some schools because they have small markets, while we sit in Corvallis? I don’t remember the Arizona schools joining, but they have excelled within the Pac and brought brand value. Utah and Colorado….well, Utah has. Let’s look for schools that want to commit to excellence in academics and in athletics. Market share should only be part of the equation. Agree - not long ago, Colorado Football was a big deal, and certainly could get back there (and they are trying) Heck, a lot of the SEC schools are in markets that aren't desirable or big markets. The conference has done a fantastic job of establishing broad interest in the overall conference's product. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 16, 2022 11:05:32 GMT -8
SMU does not have “the Dallas market”. Texas and A&M control that market…and to a lesser extent, TCU. SMU has some decent boosters, but they don’t have a broad audience. No they don't,but it's Dallas Texas...the market is big,and tons of recruits in that area. How about Houston and SDS then? Same principle. Houston is joining the Big 12 |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 16, 2022 11:22:29 GMT -8
Add SDS and SMU...the San Diego and Dallas markets valid point, but it pushes us out 1 more hour from Mountain time....and longer travel, etc...All things we as a collective slam fucla/u$c for doing SDSU is a good get, markets are key so maybe we have to do the evil deed and go to a Central time zone school There was a time not long ago that Texas and Oklahoma considered coming to the pac12 but the stupid arses in league leadership said no not because of the time zone but because the two schools wanted more than equal share. Now we look for schools like smu, sad. |
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