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Post by grayman on Dec 11, 2022 18:29:16 GMT -8
a couple of free throws (only 57%) and a couple of 3's (only 26%).... ...Hansford was open for a couple of shots she'll make plenty of as a Beav.....and who knows? Only 8 TO. Bravo !! UGLY Stat of the game: Beavs 1 for 14 on their final 14 field goal attempts. Someone said Graves out coached Rueck in 4th Q. 1-14 ain't all on the coach. Graves' defensive adjustments absolutely derailed OSU's offense down the stretch. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 11, 2022 18:31:13 GMT -8
Seems like Scott has developed a better rotation than we had in the Portland games.
Agree that Raegan should have gotten some more minutes. We’ll have some nice versatility between Jelena, Raegan, and Timea when she returns.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 11, 2022 18:44:09 GMT -8
Nice line from Jelena
37 min (!)
13 pts (leading scorer)
11 rebounds
2 blocks
Looking forward to Timea's upcoming debut. She was more highly rated than Reagan - that's intriguing prospect to say the least.
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Post by osu82 on Dec 11, 2022 18:52:25 GMT -8
I was wondering the same. Especially when Bendu is an offensive liability in the scoring droughts. Pietche could really help. Bendu made some key shots. Talia and Lily are the two players that had the worst shooting games (imho) - 4 for 19 between them. It seemed TvO got frustrated offensively that the game wasn’t coming to her, and some of her missed shot were forced, driving 1 on 3 into the lane type of stuff. Trying to make something happen when there wasn’t anything there. She had an okay stat line, outside of poor shooting, but I thought she didn’t play a great game today. |
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Post by greybeav on Dec 11, 2022 19:23:49 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 11, 2022 19:38:36 GMT -8
She seemed very effective minute 1 through minute 37 to my eyes. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 11, 2022 20:47:24 GMT -8
It was an odd game.
Beav's had more assists and the same number of TO's as the ducks. Not the usual for the past 5-6 years.
The Beav's have been covering the 3 line pretty well this season. This game they were lucky the Duckies only hit 40%.
On analytics Rogers was +25 on net points, all of the rest of her team was negative. Never seen that before.
On why Martha was pulled. Her offense was good. Her defense not so much. She missed two switches that left Rogers wide open for 3's among other things. Although to be fair, Bendu didn't shine defensively this game either.
The Duckies shot over 80% from the FT, and I think that's a season high for them.
Team needs to keep working on passing in to the post. Got two really good players in there, need to learn how to lob.
I think Timea makes this a whole different game. People were wondering why Beers wasn't in there more. Again, defense. Beers just doesn't have the mobility to cover the VanSlootens of the world if she's in there with Mit. I think Timea will be a different story.
Talia needs to just concentrate on being a stalking horse for her team and get someone else to put up some points so other teams won't constantly double team her. Drive to the basket with full intention of passing off to someone else inside or perimeter. At least twice she drove into triple coverage and she still tried to get a shot off.
36 minutes in the game and Mit never looked winded. Amazing difference from last year. I didn't really hold up much hope for this game, but it really didn't shape up the say I thought it would. Got a lot of hope for conference games now.
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Post by carlosdanger on Dec 11, 2022 23:57:06 GMT -8
It was a good effort but I don't look at this Oregon team and see some juggernaut. It is not lost on me that the Ducks had a go-to player score at will and OSU's go-to player was inconsistent. Some of you won't like this, but Graves did a significantly better job of coaching in the fourth than SR did. Nothing about it was a disaster, but I'm not one for moral victories. Are we now starting to accept those in this program? I know the players don't. Of course, the addition of Timea should help and this team is still growing. But it also has quite a bit of talent. I think this team SHOULD (and probably will) make the NCAA Tournament and I don't think that missing the tourney again is acceptable at all.
Of course the Ducks aren't a juggernaut. They lost their best "big" before the season even began. Had that not happened, they would have been able to match up with most any team in the country. As it stands, they have one true "big" left on the roster, and she is a relative newcomer to the game of basketball. On paper, the Ducks' guard play should be as good as any in the conference, but they are severely lacking in the post, both in terms of numbers and experience.
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Post by wbosh15 on Dec 12, 2022 8:30:23 GMT -8
From the Talia 3 with 5:30 to go to the Talia 3 with 30 seconds to go, we went 1-12 in between. Until someone else shows they can step up, it's rough sledding for us when Talia isn't shooting well from deep. The Ducks really packed into the zone late, and they were basically daring Bendu to take that strait on 3, rough story all around. Also, if Lily is going to get playing time, she needs to knock down shots. 1-6 on open looks isn't going to cut it.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 12, 2022 10:43:16 GMT -8
From the Talia 3 with 5:30 to go to the Talia 3 with 30 seconds to go, we went 1-12 in between. Until someone else shows they can step up, it's rough sledding for us when Talia isn't shooting well from deep. The Ducks really packed into the zone late, and they were basically daring Bendu to take that strait on 3, rough story all around. Also, if Lily is going to get playing time, she needs to knock down shots. 1-6 on open looks isn't going to cut it. Reposting this in this thread. Not only that, but when Martha was running the point, Martha penetrated, and either found an open shooter or was able to get a quality shot off herself. Both Bendu and TvO are not natural point guards. When TvO was running the point, the ball stopped moving. The ball was moving so well when Martha was at the point. |
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 12, 2022 11:15:31 GMT -8
I'm not going to say a lot about the game. It seemed a bit atypical from both teams to some degree. To hang in there on that horrible court against a hostile crowd was good to see since the Beavs hadn't played on the road yet. Going from 7 up with 5 minutes to go to losing by 8 is a real bummer though.
I'm completely surprised by this, but I am really liking the play of Marta. Maybe there were defensive struggles as beaveragain mentioned, but offensively she has been really solid. I thought she would really struggle against taller players, and Oregon has very talented, and experienced guard play. It was another solid performance offensively by Martha. She didn't play against Iowa, but had 13 solid minutes against Duke. It' still a little early, but I'm becoming a believer that she can play against Power 5 opponents. We'll see if she can keep this up over the next month, but her stats right now show .516 fg%, and .500 from 3, only 7TO's this year, which isn't bad even considering her limited playing time. I really don't see her taking many bad shots so far. If she does struggle defensively, that could be an issue, so we'll have to watch that. Otherwise, I'd like to see her start, along with Talia, Bendu, and Jelena. I have no idea who should start at the 4 spot, but it would be nice if Timea is ready to come in and take that roll. Having Raegan as the backup to Timea and Jelena still seems like the right move.
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2022 13:05:09 GMT -8
Bendu is probably the quickest player on the team and has a great handle. She can finish on breaks. She is probably more like a hybrid point/2 guard, but I think her physical skills fit better at point.
As far as scoring, she was 5-13 (1-3, 3 pt) for 11 points (third for the Beavers). She also had five rebounds and four assists.
Bendu was not the problem offensively. I would lead with TVO for that game. She was 3-13 (2-10 3 pt) for 12 points. That doesn't cut it in a game like that. I will add that UO did a good job of defending her. The Ducks are very athletic in the backcourt and TVO often has difficulty with athletic defenders.
I'm with everybody on Pietsch and I think she should have played more. But not to send Bendu to the bench.
This team is offensively challenged. Each part has to be working in perfect sync to make Rueck's offense go. There is no player right now who is capable of creating their own shots on a regular basis (except maybe Bendu) and certainly not against Pac-12-level competition.
Again, maybe Timea's arrival will help to change that. For now, they have to grind games out and hope to win. A player like Bendu gives them a better chance. So does Pietsch.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 12, 2022 14:10:04 GMT -8
TvO was making great contributions with her assists, and her long passes (cross court over the defense) and downcourt to a streaking teammates. It seemed that TvO recognized she was being targeted throughout the 1st 3 quarters, and made great decisions by finding open teammates. For whatever reason, coach Rueck decided to have Martha on the bench in Q4, and have TvO and Bendu run the point. I also was so confused why he had Raegan on the bench for a large stretch in Q4. In any case, the Ducks have been burned by TvO in many past contests, and they were going to double/triple team TvO in Q4. Why our coaches were not expecting this is a surprise. Q4 is when we needed the ball movement we executed so well in the first 3 quarters. My daughter and I were so impressed by our ball movement amongst the guards, and also between high post and low post. It bodes well for us going forward.
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 12, 2022 14:55:05 GMT -8
TVO had really solid stats except for her shooting percentage, which she's had some problems with this year. Other than that, she's been pretty solid all year, better at rebounding, assist, and has shown good leadership. She just hasn't been the shooter she was in season one in particular. and that hurts because this team needs shooters, and scorers.
Both the Jackson State game, and this one have been on Pac12 network, and it's been really interesting listening to the commentators talk about Jelena. Anthony Levrits, former Utah head coach, really praised her patience and footwork, and so did the commentator last night (forgot who that was). I'm starting to come around to their thinking. Jelena has improved her shooting, has hung in there for rebounds, is blocking more shots than normal and is a good passer, who occasionally throws a wild one. Playing in the Pac12 with all the fast talent is going to be a challenge for her, but she is doing much better handling the smaller players swipe at the ball, etc. If she can play 25+ minutes per game, she could be someone that averages real close to a double double. It was funny listening to Ann Schatz's broadcasting partner yesterday talk about how when they first saw Jelena and listened to Coach Rueck, they thought "yeah, that's just coach speak", now they are seeing what he could vision for Jelena.
Really good to hear them also say Timea was hitting 3's with ease in practice. Timea was never one of these big time scorers in High School, but the Beavs could really use her offensive punch. When she is ready, she'll be jumping right into Pac12 play. That could make her adjustment time difficult. Let's hope not.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears the freshman on this team are tight. Anybody else getting that drift? Hope so. I'm tired of the transfers out.
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Post by 411500 on Dec 12, 2022 16:25:21 GMT -8
General observations on the Oregon game.
Usually, I watch the replay 2 or 3 times before writing anything here. In this case I have not, so my observations are even more amateurish than usual. It’s not yet mid-December, so I’ll keep everything minimal.
1. In my view, this game was the Beaver’s best this year. By far.
2. Jelena is tougher, and more durable, than she was last year. Her defense remains ahead of her offense –but her rebounding is downright impressive.
3. AJ has provided no evidence that she can shoot consistently.
4. I was impressed with Martha’s general skill set and assertiveness. She made several good offensive moves. I think she caught Graves off-guard. Martha is the kind of player fairly easy to shut down when the opposing coach decides that’s what’s going to happen.
5. I think some of Bendu’s penetration drives were designed plays – not just random openings that she took advantage of. If I’m right, congrats to Rueck because that’s her best chance to score on this team - which is very measured in the freedom it gives penetrating guards.
6. I was totally surprised to see Lily in at crunch time. Either she is a better player than meets the eye (hopefully), or coach figured she was the best hope of nailing dagger 3s as time wore down…Rueck claims she is a good shooter, and maybe this was his way of testing out his own hunches on her prime time potential.
7. I don’t know what to make of Alex and her game –but thus far in 2022 she has played so-so at best.
8. Beers is a beast. No one in OSU recent memory has her combined ability to: (a) get garbage points, (b) absorb contact in the paint, (c) grab offensive boards, (d) score in muscular traffic. Has any Frosh at OSU ever had her double-double games before Jan. 1?
9. No one on this team, other than Talia, has demonstrated that they can shoot with consistency.
10. If the Beavs play as well in Hawaii as they did last night in Eugene, things are definitely looking much better for ’22-‘23.
11. It now seems possible that the key ingredient in upward team performance this season might be Timea. Sight unseen.
GO BEAVS!!
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