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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 10, 2022 11:16:59 GMT -8
Troy Taylor, most recent head coach at Sacramento state, hired. Stanford offense should be more exciting.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 10, 2022 11:47:56 GMT -8
Troy Taylor, most recent head coach at Sacramento state, hired. Stanford offense should be more exciting. Doesn’t quite have the panache of the Deion Sanders hire, does it? |
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Dec 10, 2022 12:23:42 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 10, 2022 12:24:17 GMT -8
Troy Taylor, most recent head coach at Sacramento state, hired. Stanford offense should be more exciting. Doesn’t quite have the panache of the Deion Sanders hire, does it? Might be better in the long run. Taylor is 30-7 since 2019. 2019, 2021 2nd round of playoffs and quarter finals this year. 3 of his losses are in playoffs. 3 are to Cal, ASU and Fresno. He's basically lost 1 league game in 3 seasons. They were 2-8 before he came. Sanders is 27-5 in 3 seasons which is also pretty good. I think he has more recruiting advantage to say the least. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 10, 2022 12:39:27 GMT -8
Doesn’t quite have the panache of the Deion Sanders hire, does it? Might be better in the long run. Taylor is 30-7 since 2019. 2019, 2021 2nd round of playoffs and quarter finals this year. 3 of his losses are in playoffs. 3 are to Cal, ASU and Fresno. He's basically lost 1 league game in 3 seasons. They were 2-8 before he came. Sanders is 27-5 in 3 seasons which is also pretty good. I think he has more recruiting advantage to say the least. Right-nobody knows. But CU won the headlines nationwide for a week. |
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 10, 2022 13:12:31 GMT -8
Well that's gonna chap the Cal fans collective hide. He was a standout QB at Cal, and who they all wanted to replace Wilcox..... Uh oh.... it's a good hire by Stanford. That one scares me more that the Pram Tam hire....
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 10, 2022 14:23:11 GMT -8
Well that's gonna chap the Cal fans collective hide. He was a standout QB at Cal, and who they all wanted to replace Wilcox..... Uh oh.... it's a good hire by Stanford. That one scares me more that the Pram Tam hire.... The big difference here may be the restrictions when it comes to whom they may be able to recruit. Deion will recruit the heck out of it, and there will be virtually no constraints in regard to his pool of recruits. Taylor will be dealing with a narrow group that he can pursue given Stanford’s academic standards. Deion flipped the #1 recruit in the country from Florida State to Jackson State last year, and I can only imagine what he can do with the draw of a Power 5 school. Don’t know much about Taylor as a coach, nor about Sanders’ game coaching ability or player development, but I have no doubt in my mind that the talent in Boulder will jump quickly. Talent alone doesn’t win titles, but it never hurts to have it! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 1:23:49 GMT -8
Might be better in the long run. Taylor is 30-7 since 2019. 2019, 2021 2nd round of playoffs and quarter finals this year. 3 of his losses are in playoffs. 3 are to Cal, ASU and Fresno. He's basically lost 1 league game in 3 seasons. They were 2-8 before he came. Sanders is 27-5 in 3 seasons which is also pretty good. I think he has more recruiting advantage to say the least. Right-nobody knows. But CU won the headlines nationwide for a week. Lol win Colorado. I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame. You better bring in someone who can recruit like a mofo and...yeah...sac state dude ain't it. Which takes me back to Beaver fan jonesing for Beau Baldwin. Hahahaha |
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Post by seastape on Dec 11, 2022 7:41:21 GMT -8
Right-nobody knows. But CU won the headlines nationwide for a week. Lol win Colorado. I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame. You better bring in someone who can recruit like a mofo and...yeah...sac state dude ain't it. Which takes me back to Beaver fan jonesing for Beau Baldwin. Hahahaha Stanford has it way tougher than Notre Dame. They're not even in the same league. Notre Dame has a national cache that Stanford could only dream about. The only time that Notre Dame does not do well in football is when they specifically hire a bad football coach, and that includes recruiting. Stanford, on the other hand, only wins when they specifically hire a good coach who has the right fit at Stanford. Wrong coach and Stanford blows. The wrong fit and Stanford blows. In fact, the right fit seems to be more important than a good coach at times, e.g. Ty Willingham, who had good years at Stanford but sucked at UW and ... Notre Dame. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 10:17:50 GMT -8
Lol win Colorado. I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame. You better bring in someone who can recruit like a mofo and...yeah...sac state dude ain't it. Which takes me back to Beaver fan jonesing for Beau Baldwin. Hahahaha Stanford has it way tougher than Notre Dame. They're not even in the same league. Notre Dame has a national cache that Stanford could only dream about. The only time that Notre Dame does not do well in football is when they specifically hire a bad football coach, and that includes recruiting. Stanford, on the other hand, only wins when they specifically hire a good coach who has the right fit at Stanford. Wrong coach and Stanford blows. The wrong fit and Stanford blows. In fact, the right fit seems to be more important than a good coach at times, e.g. Ty Willingham, who had good years at Stanford but sucked at UW and ... Notre Dame. Sorta was the key word there but then you sorta just supported my point. It wasn't a comparison of programs...it was a comparison of past success at each school. ND was mostly s%#t for a dozen years and 3 coaches before they landed Brian Kelly. You know who was good during this time? ND has real tough entrance requirements too..maybe not Stanford level but it's not Hole or OSU. Anyway. I'll be shocked if Sac State dude gets remotely close to Shaws level of success. And quite frankly...same goes for Freeman. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 11, 2022 10:24:03 GMT -8
Notre Dame will do whatever it takes to win. Count on it. Stanford won't. Therein lies the difference.
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Post by bvrbred on Dec 11, 2022 10:25:28 GMT -8
Stanford, on the other hand, only wins when they specifically hire a good coach who has the right fit at Stanford. Wrong coach and Stanford blows. The wrong fit and Stanford blows. In fact, the right fit seems to be more important than a good coach at times, e.g. Ty Willingham, who had good years at Stanford but sucked at UW and ... Notre Dame. In that respect, Stanford sounds a little bit like Oregon State. Another Stanford coach, who was a great fit there but nowhere else after, was John Ralston. He capped his Stanford run with two Rose Bowl wins and a Jim Plunkett Heisman year. After, he went to the Denver Broncos, was .500, got fired. Knocked around the NFL through various assistant jobs, finally coached college again at San Jose State, and was nothing special. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 10:40:59 GMT -8
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 11, 2022 10:43:14 GMT -8
Notre Dame has become much harder to recruit to. It has been a long time since it had any sort of monopoly over the Catholic kids, and South Bend is a hellhole. 20 years ago, they were the only program that had every game televised nationally. Now MAC teams are on national TV almost as often.
Stanford is, and always will be, the easiest place to recruit to. For the Stanford-smart kid, there is no other place to play. But there aren't a lot of Stanford-smart kids. Recruiting there isn't about selling the program, it's about properly evaluating the talent in a very small pool. It's about figuring out which TE recruits have the frame to move to the OL, which QBs should switch to LB, which LBs can bulk up and join the DL. Every coach does this to some extent, but at Stanford it's more urgently required. There are probably three Stanford-ready QB candidates for every DT out there, so the coach has to have that ability.
Colorado needs a salesman. They got a legend with Sanders. Stanford needs an engineer. I don't know anything about Taylor, but at first glance he looks like he could be just what they need.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 11, 2022 10:54:16 GMT -8
That article is 13 years old, and from Bleacher Report, a publication not held in high regard by journalism professionals. Things have changed. Yes, it will always be more difficult to get into ND than most schools. That said, they have and will make accommodations. They want to win. Case in point, they have significantly dumbed-down their scheduling, playing teams from the MAC, Mt. West and CUSA who in the past could not have gotten within 200 miles of South Bend. They no longer play Purdue, one of their oldest rivals, on an annual basis. Stanford makes accommodations, too. But not as many, or as lenient, as ND. ND had a good coach in Kelly. Horrible person, but a good coach. So he could even survive the death of a member of his video crew when he knowingly sent the kid into a dangerous situation that ultimately resulted in his death. |
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