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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 10:54:58 GMT -8
Notre Dame has become much harder to recruit to. It has been a long time since it had any sort of monopoly over the Catholic kids, and South Bend is a hellhole. 20 years ago, they were the only program that had every game televised nationally. Now MAC teams are on national TV almost as often. In which way is South Bend a hellhole any more than say Ann Arbor or Columbus or Eugene or for that matter...any SEC s%#thole? I'm no Notre Dame fan...but Notre Dame is not only one of the best educational schools in the country, it's also one of the most beautiful campuses I've ever been to. There's also that legacy thing...which probably doesn't matter much to 18 year old kids but it's still Notre Dame. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 11:05:21 GMT -8
That article is 13 years old, and from Bleacher Report, a publication not held in high regard by journalism professionals. Things have changed. Yes, it will always be more difficult to get into ND than most schools. That said, they have and will make accommodations. They want to win. Case in point, they have significantly dumbed-down their scheduling, playing teams from the MAC, Mt. West and CUSA who in the past could not have gotten within 200 miles of South Bend. They no longer play Purdue, one of their oldest rivals, on an annual basis. Stanford makes accommodations, too. But not as many, or as lenient, as ND. ND had a good coach in Kelly. Horrible person, but a good coach. So he could even survive the death of a member of his video crew when he knowingly sent the kid into a dangerous situation that ultimately resulted in his death. Lol you literally said ND will do whatever it takes to win...and five minutes later acknowledge it will be more difficult to get in to ND than most schools. And again...my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND. Its what the coaches at each school are up against relative to each schools past success and being competitive in its respective paradigm. Notre Dame wants to be a top 5 national program. Stanford wants to be a top 5 Pac 12 program. |
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Post by korculabeav on Dec 11, 2022 11:19:37 GMT -8
That article is 13 years old, and from Bleacher Report, a publication not held in high regard by journalism professionals. Things have changed. Yes, it will always be more difficult to get into ND than most schools. That said, they have and will make accommodations. They want to win. Case in point, they have significantly dumbed-down their scheduling, playing teams from the MAC, Mt. West and CUSA who in the past could not have gotten within 200 miles of South Bend. They no longer play Purdue, one of their oldest rivals, on an annual basis. Stanford makes accommodations, too. But not as many, or as lenient, as ND. ND had a good coach in Kelly. Horrible person, but a good coach. So he could even survive the death of a member of his video crew when he knowingly sent the kid into a dangerous situation that ultimately resulted in his death. Lol you literally said ND will do whatever it takes to win...and five minutes later acknowledge it will be more difficult to get in to ND than most schools. And again...my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND. Its what the coaches at each school are up against relative to each schools past success and being competitive in its respective paradigm. Notre Dame wants to be a top 5 national program. Stanford wants to be a top 5 Pac 12 program. his point being that ND will flex its higher academic standards to get players they want when Stanford won’t. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 11, 2022 11:46:40 GMT -8
In which way is South Bend a hellhole any more than say Ann Arbor or Columbus or Eugene or for that matter...any SEC s%#thole?
If you've ever spent any time there, you wouldn't have to ask. The campus is nice. Much of the rest of South Bend is a decaying Rust Belt city filled with abandoned factories. It's apt that South Bend was the home to Studebaker.
BTW, have you ever been to Fayetteville, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Columbia, or Athens, or Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or Lexington? If you can tolerate heat and humidity, they are very nice places, with sunny weather and affordable housing options not found on much of the West Coast. Starkville, obviously, is the outlier.
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Post by korculabeav on Dec 11, 2022 11:53:40 GMT -8
In which way is South Bend a hellhole any more than say Ann Arbor or Columbus or Eugene or for that matter...any SEC s%#thole?
If you've ever spent any time there, you wouldn't have to ask. The campus is nice. Much of the rest of South Bend is a decaying Rust Belt city filled with abandoned factories. It's apt that South Bend was the home to Studebaker. BTW, have you ever been to Fayetteville, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Columbia, or Athens, or Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or Lexington? If you can tolerate heat and humidity, they are very nice places, with sunny weather and affordable housing options not found on much of the West Coast. Starkville, obviously, is the outlier. Gotta agree with ya Hank on that point. I’ve been there and, gulp, even Eugene is better than South Bend. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 11:59:04 GMT -8
In which way is South Bend a hellhole any more than say Ann Arbor or Columbus or Eugene or for that matter...any SEC s%#thole?
If you've ever spent any time there, you wouldn't have to ask. The campus is nice. Much of the rest of South Bend is a decaying Rust Belt city filled with abandoned factories. It's apt that South Bend was the home to Studebaker. BTW, have you ever been to Fayetteville, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Columbia, or Athens, or Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or Lexington? If you can tolerate heat and humidity, they are very nice places, with sunny weather and affordable housing options not found on much of the West Coast. Starkville, obviously, is the outlier. Been to a few of them... Auburn and Nashville too. Not a fan whatsoever of the south. Mind you I'm not moving to South Bend either. Or Eugene. Or Ann Arbor. Or Columbus. I know a few ND grads...never once have they said anything bad about South Bend or their experience at ND. So I'll trust people in Corvallis Oregon to shed some light on the ND experience. |
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Post by seastape on Dec 11, 2022 12:12:25 GMT -8
That article is 13 years old, and from Bleacher Report, a publication not held in high regard by journalism professionals. Things have changed. Yes, it will always be more difficult to get into ND than most schools. That said, they have and will make accommodations. They want to win. Case in point, they have significantly dumbed-down their scheduling, playing teams from the MAC, Mt. West and CUSA who in the past could not have gotten within 200 miles of South Bend. They no longer play Purdue, one of their oldest rivals, on an annual basis. Stanford makes accommodations, too. But not as many, or as lenient, as ND. ND had a good coach in Kelly. Horrible person, but a good coach. So he could even survive the death of a member of his video crew when he knowingly sent the kid into a dangerous situation that ultimately resulted in his death. Lol you literally said ND will do whatever it takes to win...and five minutes later acknowledge it will be more difficult to get in to ND than most schools. And again...my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND. Its what the coaches at each school are up against relative to each schools past success and being competitive in its respective paradigm. Notre Dame wants to be a top 5 national program. Stanford wants to be a top 5 Pac 12 program. Your first post in this thread: "I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame." Now, after people have argued against the point: "my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND." |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 12:34:40 GMT -8
Lol you literally said ND will do whatever it takes to win...and five minutes later acknowledge it will be more difficult to get in to ND than most schools. And again...my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND. Its what the coaches at each school are up against relative to each schools past success and being competitive in its respective paradigm. Notre Dame wants to be a top 5 national program. Stanford wants to be a top 5 Pac 12 program. Your first post in this thread: "I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame." Now, after people have argued against the point: "my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND." Hahaha context is difficult for some. But if you read the entire post it might make more sense. ND has higher academic requirements to get in...so harder to recruit to ND compared to say Alabama. Stanford has higher academic requirements to get in...so harder to recruit to compared to say Oregon. "Sorta like the Pac 12s Notre Dame." ( sorta being a qualifier) The entire point is about the difficulty Troy Taylor will have elevating Stanford Football to an elite Pac 12 program...using ND as an analogy on their difficulty being an elite Top 5 program. One coach in 20some years has done it at Stanford. One coach in 20some years has done it at ND (kinda). No one has argued against that point whatsoever. They've argued which school is harder to get in...which town is nicer and a few other non related points. A few of which I totally agree with. But not relevant whatsoever. But congrats to all on seeing Stanford and ND in the same sentence! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 11, 2022 14:02:02 GMT -8
In which way is South Bend a hellhole any more than say Ann Arbor or Columbus or Eugene or for that matter...any SEC s%#thole?
If you've ever spent any time there, you wouldn't have to ask. The campus is nice. Much of the rest of South Bend is a decaying Rust Belt city filled with abandoned factories. It's apt that South Bend was the home to Studebaker. BTW, have you ever been to Fayetteville, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Columbia, or Athens, or Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or Lexington? If you can tolerate heat and humidity, they are very nice places, with sunny weather and affordable housing options not found on much of the West Coast. Starkville, obviously, is the outlier. Been to a few of them... Auburn and Nashville too. Not a fan whatsoever of the south. Mind you I'm not moving to South Bend either. Or Eugene. Or Ann Arbor. Or Columbus. I know a few ND grads...never once have they said anything bad about South Bend or their experience at ND. So I'll trust people in Corvallis Oregon to shed some light on the ND experience. When you're in college, you seldom leave campus or the immediate neighborhood. You're in a bubble. Living there year-round as an adult is a different experience. They do have a very nice minor-league stadium there for a Midwest League franchise. Unless it got downsized by MLB. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 11, 2022 18:18:18 GMT -8
Your first post in this thread: "I wish dude luck at Stanford. Stanford is Stanford...but it's sorta like Pac 12 Notre Dame." Now, after people have argued against the point: "my original point wasn't at all to compare Stanford with ND." Hahaha context is difficult for some. But if you read the entire post it might make more sense. ND has higher academic requirements to get in...so harder to recruit to ND compared to say Alabama. Stanford has higher academic requirements to get in...so harder to recruit to compared to say Oregon. "Sorta like the Pac 12s Notre Dame." ( sorta being a qualifier) The entire point is about the difficulty Troy Taylor will have elevating Stanford Football to an elite Pac 12 program...using ND as an analogy on their difficulty being an elite Top 5 program. One coach in 20some years has done it at Stanford. One coach in 20some years has done it at ND (kinda). No one has argued against that point whatsoever. They've argued which school is harder to get in...which town is nicer and a few other non related points. A few of which I totally agree with. But not relevant whatsoever. But congrats to all on seeing Stanford and ND in the same sentence! Ironically, Tyrone Willingham of all people had sucess at Stanford, winning the PAC 10 and taking them to the Rose Bowl. Career win record slightly below Shaw, Hardballs and Bill Walsh. Then he went to Notre Dame and….well, was better than he was at Washington! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 11, 2022 18:30:24 GMT -8
Been to a few of them... Auburn and Nashville too. Not a fan whatsoever of the south. Mind you I'm not moving to South Bend either. Or Eugene. Or Ann Arbor. Or Columbus. I know a few ND grads...never once have they said anything bad about South Bend or their experience at ND. So I'll trust people in Corvallis Oregon to shed some light on the ND experience. When you're in college, you seldom leave campus or the immediate neighborhood. You're in a bubble. Living there year-round as an adult is a different experience. They do have a very nice minor-league stadium there for a Midwest League franchise. Unless it got downsized by MLB. Lol which is the very point I was making! Kids aren't going to Notre Dame to live in South Bend any more than kids are going to Michigan to live in Ann Arbor or Hole to live in Eugene. |
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 11, 2022 20:25:21 GMT -8
LOL. Does that apply to Pullman, too? Manhattan KS, Lincoln NE, and Ames IA?
Location matters. It isn't the only thing that matters, but it matters. Now that recruiting is truly national, no one believes that Nebraska will ever be the powerhouse they once was. They have an 80000 seat stadium and rabid fans, but Nebraska hasn't seen a 5-star recruit in Lincoln in years. Notre Dame has a lot of assets, but a good location is not among them.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 12, 2022 7:30:26 GMT -8
When you're in college, you seldom leave campus or the immediate neighborhood. You're in a bubble. Living there year-round as an adult is a different experience. They do have a very nice minor-league stadium there for a Midwest League franchise. Unless it got downsized by MLB. Lol which is the very point I was making! Kids aren't going to Notre Dame to live in South Bend any more than kids are going to Michigan to live in Ann Arbor or Hole to live in Eugene. And which is why I said South Bend was a Rust Belt dump, not Notre Dame. BTW, no one ever said that about Ann Arbor. It's beautiful. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 12, 2022 9:19:19 GMT -8
Lol which is the very point I was making! Kids aren't going to Notre Dame to live in South Bend any more than kids are going to Michigan to live in Ann Arbor or Hole to live in Eugene. And which is why I said South Bend was a Rust Belt dump, not Notre Dame. BTW, no one ever said that about Ann Arbor. It's beautiful. So I can infer we both agree Eugene is a dump? btw this specific back and forth about South Bend was in my response to someone posting kids don't want to go to school at ND because SB was a dump. I get his point in comparing it to a place like Palo Alto for geneal living quality of life purposes...but not necessarily from a college kids perspective. They aren't going to ND to be in SB |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 12, 2022 10:07:56 GMT -8
Yeah, no disagreement on Eugene!
I didn't go to OSU. A lot of my friends stayed around the city my school was located in after graduation and are still there 45 years later. I don't think many ND grads hang around SB, even though a lot of them go to Chicago, which is close enough.
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