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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 5, 2022 11:47:24 GMT -8
While it was not good to lose Jones, losing her will certainly help Jelena's development. I thought Jones was pretty close to her ceiling already, except for developing better spacing and mental skills. Weather those can still be developed are not a sure thing. I do think that Jelena has an ultimately bigger upside than either Jones or Brown. Brown because she was obsessed with not playing in the post. Jones because she might have limited peripheral vision.Then there is the height factor which can not be minimized. If the opportunity to get more playing time did not open up, I suspected that Jelena would transfer out. I doubt Scott would never have sat Jones for Jelena based on how they played. He knew Jones woudl transfer out if she did not get massive playing time.I think Jelenas development might have played a factor in her transfer. I never really thought that Taylor Jones received "massive" playing time at OSU for several reasons, including persistent foul trouble. However, Jones was extremely productive for the Beavs when she was on the court and often covered for her teammates' defensive miscues. I will greatly miss her significant length that allowed her to shoot over other posts, rebound consistently, and block/alter the opposition's shots in the paint. If Mitrovic is able to step up her play considerably and give the Beavs 12/8, shoot 58%+ from the field, and block 2+ shots per game, then the exodus of Jones will be mitigated. I have a feeling that Vic Schaefer will find a way to regularly get Jones an assortment of touches in the paint at Texas this upcoming season. Look for Jones to display that her "ceiling" (as noted above) is higher than willtalk may believe. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 5, 2022 12:57:41 GMT -8
While it was not good to lose Jones, losing her will certainly help Jelena's development. I thought Jones was pretty close to her ceiling already, except for developing better spacing and mental skills. Weather those can still be developed are not a sure thing. I do think that Jelena has an ultimately bigger upside than either Jones or Brown. Brown because she was obsessed with not playing in the post. Jones because she might have limited peripheral vision.Then there is the height factor which can not be minimized. If the opportunity to get more playing time did not open up, I suspected that Jelena would transfer out. I doubt Scott would never have sat Jones for Jelena based on how they played. He knew Jones woudl transfer out if she did not get massive playing time.I think Jelenas development might have played a factor in her transfer. I never really thought that Taylor Jones received "massive" playing time at OSU for several reasons, including persistent foul trouble. However, Jones was extremely productive for the Beavs when she was on the court and often covered for her teammates' defensive miscues. I will greatly miss her significant length that allowed her to shoot over other posts, rebound consistently, and block/alter the opposition's shots in the paint. If Mitrovic is able to step up her play considerably and give the Beavs 12/8, shoot 58%+ from the field, and block 2+ shots per game, then the exodus of Jones will be mitigated. I have a feeling that Vic Schaefer will find a way to regularly get Jones an assortment of touches in the paint at Texas this upcoming season. Look for Jones to display that her "ceiling" (as noted above) is higher than willtalk may believe. Taylor’s propensity to get in foul trouble was pretty frustrating for me. It was predictable. However you make a good point about covering for others defensive mistakes. Maybe that’s what was happening but it seemed to me they were usually “stupid” fouls. |
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 5, 2022 17:22:48 GMT -8
Man, I just don’t have memory of her covering defensive mistakes. I’d definitely say that about KB, but I recall TJ struggles to guard her own player, let alone provide much help to her teammates. But hey, I am getting old, memory isn’t so sharp. I do remember her being deadly on offense though, except against elite defensive posts (which we have a lot of in the Pac-12)
I do not think she will have career years statistically at Texas. They will run a lot less half-court offense compared to OSU, and she simply won’t be getting down the court with the break often enough to benefit, this cutting down her half-court and overall opportunities to score.
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Post by beavsteve on Oct 5, 2022 19:09:49 GMT -8
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 5, 2022 19:34:45 GMT -8
Man, I just don’t have memory of her covering defensive mistakes. I’d definitely say that about KB, but I recall TJ struggles to guard her own player, let alone provide much help to her teammates. But hey, I am getting old, memory isn’t so sharp. I do remember her being deadly on offense though, except against elite defensive posts (which we have a lot of in the Pac-12) I do not think she will have career years statistically at Texas. They will run a lot less half-court offense compared to OSU, and she simply won’t be getting down the court with the break often enough to benefit, this cutting down her half-court and overall opportunities to score. I certainly don't wish anything bad for Taylor, and if she prospers at Texas, good for her. But I really don't give a rat's ass how she does. She's not doing it here, so my interest in her season is pretty much equal to my interest in the starting post player Amherst, whoever she may be. |
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 5, 2022 20:41:31 GMT -8
Man, I just don’t have memory of her covering defensive mistakes. I’d definitely say that about KB, but I recall TJ struggles to guard her own player, let alone provide much help to her teammates. But hey, I am getting old, memory isn’t so sharp. I do remember her being deadly on offense though, except against elite defensive posts (which we have a lot of in the Pac-12) I do not think she will have career years statistically at Texas. They will run a lot less half-court offense compared to OSU, and she simply won’t be getting down the court with the break often enough to benefit, this cutting down her half-court and overall opportunities to score. I certainly don't wish anything bad for Taylor, and if she prospers at Texas, good for her. But I really don't give a rat's ass how she does. She's not doing it here, so my interest in her season is pretty much equal to my interest in the starting post player Amherst, whoever she may be. I will follow how she does at some level, primarily to see how a different coach utilizes her skill. Same with the other 3. We generally haven’t seen transfers to be more productive in different systems, and often do worse. It’s a way to evaluate how well Rueck finds players for his system, and then get the best out of them. I don’t care so much about how they do specifically, but I’m interested in the delta seen between Rueck vs another coach with players in common. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 5, 2022 22:13:11 GMT -8
That's a good point.
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Post by willtalk on Oct 6, 2022 2:12:28 GMT -8
I never really thought that Taylor Jones received "massive" playing time at OSU for several reasons, including persistent foul trouble. However, Jones was extremely productive for the Beavs when she was on the court and often covered for her teammates' defensive miscues. I will greatly miss her significant length that allowed her to shoot over other posts, rebound consistently, and block/alter the opposition's shots in the paint. If Mitrovic is able to step up her play considerably and give the Beavs 12/8, shoot 58%+ from the field, and block 2+ shots per game, then the exodus of Jones will be mitigated. I have a feeling that Vic Schaefer will find a way to regularly get Jones an assortment of touches in the paint at Texas this upcoming season. Look for Jones to display that her "ceiling" (as noted above) is higher than willtalk may believe. Taylor’s propensity to get in foul trouble was pretty frustrating for me. It was predictable. However you make a good point about covering for others defensive mistakes. Maybe that’s what was happening but it seemed to me they were usually “stupid” fouls. Jones had a lot of good things going for her, but she also had weaknesses that needed correcting. Many of those fouls came from her attempt at recovering from being out of position. One of her weaknesses was court awareness and spacing. She corrected much of it between her freshman and soph seasons, but she still had some ways to go. Much of what she corrected was awareness of where her team mates were which hindered her from passing back out to open shooters when she was being double teamed. The issue of spacing and court awareness affects a player on both offense and defense. Often a player rides their athleticism in their early career to mitigate those sort of issues. They come out of high school with bad habits that often take a few seasons at the next level to break. One of the reasons she seldom saw a lot of court time was because of foul trouble. Sometimes Scott would also pull her out when he wanted to correct mistakes she made. Scott really makes a lot of effort to teach and correct any issues players might have. Some players do not like that but he is doing it for their future in basketball. Jones was a better off the ball defender than man to man and that is how she got most of her blocks. She still needed to learn better spacing and if she ever got that down she would have been a much better defender. Often really good defenders do not even get blocks because the do not give the oppositon an opperunity to even get a shot off. Jones had a higher center of gravity than most players her size and that allowed the offensive player to get unter her an push her out of her defensive position. Its the long legs. Brown was actually a very good on ball defender in the post.We did not see much of it but I watched Brown in the All Star games going against larger centers including Bosten and she did really well. The did not push her out of the block. Unfortunately Brown had her mind made up to not play the center position. Perhaps its just me, but often when a player has both spacing and court awarness issues, I suspect it might be narrow peripheral vision rather than a lack of focus. Most of my reference to Jones hitting her ceiling was in relation to her physical ceiling. She still had a BBIQ ceiling left, but that is often more iffy than generally taller player body maturing. |
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Post by beavsteve on Oct 6, 2022 11:02:49 GMT -8
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Post by hoopheritic on Oct 6, 2022 11:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Oct 6, 2022 13:58:20 GMT -8
I think losing Kennedy was actually a bigger deal than losing Jones. Brown is a much better defender and tougher around the hoop (IMO). Jones continued to have the same bad habits.
I think the youngsters will be able to step up quickly, though. And there should be true point guard play and more team quickness and speed than we've seen in the past. That will be huge in defending several of the other Pac-12 squads (I remember how Stanford ran laps past the Beavers not long ago).
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Post by beav74 on Oct 6, 2022 18:29:05 GMT -8
I know one ex Beaver that was far better then KB and was never close to a 5*.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 6, 2022 20:43:33 GMT -8
I know one ex Beaver that was far better then KB and was never close to a 5*. Just one? |
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Post by beavsteve on Oct 13, 2022 19:52:03 GMT -8
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Post by beavsteve on Oct 14, 2022 17:29:24 GMT -8
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