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Post by beaver56 on Jun 14, 2022 19:45:32 GMT -8
Ole miss hasn’t lost in the postseason and most of the games haven’t been close. They are hot right now. And isn’t that S. Miss’s fault if they can’t fill their stadium and keep Ole Miss fans out. English is a weird language. One of the quirks compared to other languages is the overuse of and over-preoccupation with the term "fault," which is a difficult concept for other languages to express. Fault is irrelevant to the point. Ole Miss is damned lucky that they got into the Southern Miss Super Regional. I sincerely doubt that they would have found the same success in the Corvallis Super Regional or pretty much anywhere else outside of a 240-mile radius. The two de facto home games against Southern Miss were not close, and you would not really expect them to be. Ole Miss beat Miami by a run and Arizona by three in a game that was 4-2 Wildcats in the seventh and a game that Ole Miss did not take the lead until the eighth. With the compressed schedule, because of all of the rain, playing out of the losers' bracket was going to be next-to-impossible. Ole Miss did not have a compressed schedule at their regional. It was played identical to all regionals just pushed back one day as all games day 1 got rained out. After that they played all games the same as a normal regional. Also being not far away I was able to attend both games of the Ole Miss/So Miss super regional and your nuts if you think it was like a home game for Ole Miss. I'd say at most it was 25% Ole Miss fans. Without question way more So Miss fans and they tried to be loud but never really had much to get loud about.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 14, 2022 21:28:14 GMT -8
English is a weird language. One of the quirks compared to other languages is the overuse of and over-preoccupation with the term "fault," which is a difficult concept for other languages to express. Fault is irrelevant to the point. Ole Miss is damned lucky that they got into the Southern Miss Super Regional. I sincerely doubt that they would have found the same success in the Corvallis Super Regional or pretty much anywhere else outside of a 240-mile radius. The two de facto home games against Southern Miss were not close, and you would not really expect them to be. Ole Miss beat Miami by a run and Arizona by three in a game that was 4-2 Wildcats in the seventh and a game that Ole Miss did not take the lead until the eighth. With the compressed schedule, because of all of the rain, playing out of the losers' bracket was going to be next-to-impossible. Ole Miss did not have a compressed schedule at their regional. It was played identical to all regionals just pushed back one day as all games day 1 got rained out. After that they played all games the same as a normal regional. Also being not far away I was able to attend both games of the Ole Miss/So Miss super regional and your nuts if you think it was like a home game for Ole Miss. I'd say at most it was 25% Ole Miss fans. Without question way more So Miss fans and they tried to be loud but never really had much to get loud about. Arizona's first game started at 10:13 p.m. local and got over at 1:19 a.m. The Wildcats then had to play at 11:07 a.m. local. The game got over at 2:21 p.m. Arizona played the second game on Sunday at 8:12 p.m. (after a 22-minute rain delay) in a game that got over at 11:49 p.m. The fourth game started at 5:19 p.m. on Monday (in a game that was delayed 79 minutes before first pitch) and got over at 8:48 p.m. In a 47-hour period, Arizona played in four games, more than 15 hours of baseball with the weather delay. The Wildcats had to play game the morning after finishing up the previous game in the early morning 9:48 after the game before. Arizona then spooled up to play another game 5:39 later only for it to be delayed 22 minutes. Three baseball games in 22 hours. And, even running on fumes, arms almost all expended, Arizona and Ole Miss were still tied 5-5, entering the fifth. Orloff (27 pitches on Sunday and 42 on Monday) allowed two of the first three hitters to reach. Arias (30 pitches on Sunday and 27 on Monday) came on and gave up walk, infield single and grand slam to effectively put the game away. All of the lightning and rain in Tropical Storm Alexander and then some questionable coaching moves doomed Arizona. The Wildcats mentioned that it was the first time that they had experienced a weather delay of any kind since early May 2019. So, anyway. No, Arizona played a compressed schedule at the Coral Gables Regional. And, had the Wildcats beat the Rebels, Arizona would have had to play another game that probably would have started about 9:30 p.m. local
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Post by grackle on Jun 15, 2022 8:46:42 GMT -8
....and the next pitcher gives up two runs the next time Auburn bats. Sorry....I'm still not sold that Canham/Dorman are ready for prime time. . So it’s the coaches fault we bobble a ground ball and runner is safe after a review?And Dorman is at fault for not getting a hit with RISP? How many two out hits did we get in the game? Yea it’s the coaches fault. You miss the point....why suddenly take out a guy who's pitching a 1-hitter and shows ZERO sign of fading?? And whether folks here care to remember or not, Hunter's replacement almost immediately gave up a walk and a double. Canham/Dorman ARE generally, okay. In the clutch, chips down....Not so much (IMO, of course).
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Post by cake on Jun 15, 2022 9:04:06 GMT -8
So it’s the coaches fault we bobble a ground ball and runner is safe after a review?And Dorman is at fault for not getting a hit with RISP? How many two out hits did we get in the game? Yea it’s the coaches fault. You miss the point....why suddenly take out a guy who's pitching a 1-hitter and shows ZERO sign of fading?? And whether folks here care to remember or not, Hunter's replacement almost immediately gave up a walk and a double. Canham/Dorman ARE generally, okay. In the clutch, chips down....Not so much (IMO, of course). Who knows? Maybe he said he was gassed in the dugout. Maybe they saw something they didn't like, same as when Pfennigs was pulled and didn't come back for a couple months. Maybe they did it to make you personally mad.
By almost immediately, you mean the 2nd inning of the 2 he worked.
We gave up 3 hits all game. Pulling Hunter after the 5th wasn't the issue.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 15, 2022 9:26:03 GMT -8
So it’s the coaches fault we bobble a ground ball and runner is safe after a review?And Dorman is at fault for not getting a hit with RISP? How many two out hits did we get in the game? Yea it’s the coaches fault. You miss the point....why suddenly take out a guy who's pitching a 1-hitter and shows ZERO sign of fading?? And whether folks here care to remember or not, Hunter's replacement almost immediately gave up a walk and a double. Canham/Dorman ARE generally, okay. In the clutch, chips down....Not so much (IMO, of course). Hahaha, our pitchers threw a combined 3 hitter in a Super Regional elimination game and you are mad at the pitching coach? You are the only one. My guess is our pitching coach can get hired at just about any college in America right now, we should be ecstatic if he doesn't leave. What he did with this staff this year was witchcraft.
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Post by william44 on Jun 15, 2022 9:39:34 GMT -8
Why kick a dead horse. The reliever gave up 2 hits and we bumbled a ground out and allowed a safety squeeze. They pushed the envelope. We did not. Cannot blame coaches for our not doing anything in 6 th or 9 th. They were proactive replacing their starter after the 2 run homer. It is over. We cannot do anything but gripe or criticize:
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Post by messi on Jun 15, 2022 10:27:43 GMT -8
Had Hunter stayed in, it would have been the third time through the Auburn lineup.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 15, 2022 11:27:42 GMT -8
Boyd's two-run homer came off the lefty reliever. Who then faced three more hitters before being pulled.
As Messi said, Hunter was pulled because he was about to go through the lineup a third time, which oftentimes means trouble for pitchers without elite stuff. Which he is, at this point.
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Post by grackle on Jun 15, 2022 11:32:56 GMT -8
You miss the point....why suddenly take out a guy who's pitching a 1-hitter and shows ZERO sign of fading?? And whether folks here care to remember or not, Hunter's replacement almost immediately gave up a walk and a double. Canham/Dorman ARE generally, okay. In the clutch, chips down....Not so much (IMO, of course). Who knows? Maybe he said he was gassed in the dugout. Maybe they saw something they didn't like, same as when Pfennigs was pulled and didn't come back for a couple months. Maybe they did it to make you personally mad.
By almost immediately, you mean the 2nd inning of the 2 he worked.
We gave up 3 hits all game. Pulling Hunter after the 5th wasn't the issue.
Actually Cake..in the FIRST inning that Sebby worked (top of the 6th), the 2nd and 3rd batters walked and doubled, respectively. Thus Sebby was almost immediately in a mess and things went downhill from there. The fact is there was no immediate reason to pull Hunter (unless he had ASKED to be relieved..but I doubt that). Reminded me of many of the games we lost in the late innings earlier this season...Dorman just changed pitchers for who knows what reasons. Also, in game #1 vs Auburn, it was obvious to me and everyone sitting around me that Pfennigs had nothing from the start. And neither did the Auburn starter...but at least the Auburn coach had the good sense to pull his guy in the 1st inning. But not Dorman...he left Pfennigs in well past the first inning which gave Auburn royal chances to change the momentum and game...and they did. And did our clutch inning too often stink on ice...of course. But that's unrelated to the pitching situation.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 15, 2022 12:27:17 GMT -8
Who knows? Maybe he said he was gassed in the dugout. Maybe they saw something they didn't like, same as when Pfennigs was pulled and didn't come back for a couple months. Maybe they did it to make you personally mad.
By almost immediately, you mean the 2nd inning of the 2 he worked.
We gave up 3 hits all game. Pulling Hunter after the 5th wasn't the issue.
Also, in game #1 vs Auburn, it was obvious to me and everyone sitting around me that Pfennigs had nothing from the start. And neither did the Auburn starter...but at least the Auburn coach had the good sense to pull his guy in the 1st inning. But not Dorman...he left Pfennigs in well past the first inning which gave Auburn royal chances to change the momentum and game...and they did. This is a bonkers take. Auburns pitcher threw 47 pitches to 9 batters in the first inning (batted around on him). No pitching coach doesn't pull that guy, it is impossible to recover from a 47 pitch inning. That wasn't some clever coaching tactic, that was completely forced on them. Pfennigs threw 19 pitches to 5 batters in the first inning. No pitching coach is going to pull their starter after retiring the side facing 5 batters in the first inning. Comparing those 2 performances is just bonkers.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jun 15, 2022 12:57:12 GMT -8
Also, in game #1 vs Auburn, it was obvious to me and everyone sitting around me that Pfennigs had nothing from the start. And neither did the Auburn starter...but at least the Auburn coach had the good sense to pull his guy in the 1st inning. But not Dorman...he left Pfennigs in well past the first inning which gave Auburn royal chances to change the momentum and game...and they did. In an attempt to complain about D'man you say the Auburn coach had good sense to pull his guy in the first, but please explain how it was good sense when he was given a much longer leash? Shouldn't he have pulled him earlier? Pfennings 1st Inning 1st batter 0-1 count, grounded out to SS 2nd batter 5 pitch BB 3rd batter 1-1 count HR 4th batter struck out swinging (KSBFBFBS) 5th batter GO to 2B (1-1 KB) Brights' 1st(only) inning, actually only .2 of an inning 1st batter Boyd hit by pitch (3-2 KBKBBFFFFF). 2nd batter Meckler walked (3-1 BBKBB); Boyd advanced to second. 3rd batter Forrester homered to center field, 3 RBI (2-1 BKB); Meckler scored; Boyd scored. 4th batter Melton struck out looking (1-2 FBKK). 5th batter Logan doubled down the lf line (2-1 BBF). 6th batter Bazzana doubled to left field (3-1 BBKB); Logan advanced to third. 7th batter Dukart, J. walked (3-1 SBBBB). 8th batter Gretler struck out looking (0-2 FFK). 9th batter Dernedde walked, RBI (3-2 BKBBFB); Dukart, J. advanced to second; Bazzana advanced to third; Logan scored.
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 15, 2022 13:20:13 GMT -8
Also, in game #1 vs Auburn, it was obvious to me and everyone sitting around me that Pfennigs had nothing from the start. And neither did the Auburn starter...but at least the Auburn coach had the good sense to pull his guy in the 1st inning. But not Dorman...he left Pfennigs in well past the first inning which gave Auburn royal chances to change the momentum and game...and they did. In an attempt to complain about D'man you say the Auburn coach had good sense to pull his guy in the first, but please explain how it was good sense when he was given a much longer leash? Shouldn't he have pulled him earlier? Pfennings 1st Inning 1st batter 0-1 count, grounded out to SS 2nd batter 5 pitch BB 3rd batter 1-1 count HR 4th batter struck out swinging (KSBFBFBS) 5th batter GO to 2B (1-1 KB) Brights' 1st(only) inning, actually only .2 of an inning 1st batter Boyd hit by pitch (3-2 KBKBBFFFFF). 2nd batter Meckler walked (3-1 BBKBB); Boyd advanced to second. 3rd batter Forrester homered to center field, 3 RBI (2-1 BKB); Meckler scored; Boyd scored. 4th batter Melton struck out looking (1-2 FBKK). 5th batter Logan doubled down the lf line (2-1 BBF). 6th batter Bazzana doubled to left field (3-1 BBKB); Logan advanced to third. 7th batter Dukart, J. walked (3-1 SBBBB). 8th batter Gretler struck out looking (0-2 FFK). 9th batter Dernedde walked, RBI (3-2 BKBBFB); Dukart, J. advanced to second; Bazzana advanced to third; Logan scored. Yes. Taking him out after the first inning seems crazy…. If you hadnt watched his last few starts. Everyone that I was with agreed he should have been pulled too. Simply because this is who Jake had become. Unreliable. And the magnitude of the game called for desperate measure.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 15, 2022 14:06:45 GMT -8
In an attempt to complain about D'man you say the Auburn coach had good sense to pull his guy in the first, but please explain how it was good sense when he was given a much longer leash? Shouldn't he have pulled him earlier? Pfennings 1st Inning 1st batter 0-1 count, grounded out to SS 2nd batter 5 pitch BB 3rd batter 1-1 count HR 4th batter struck out swinging (KSBFBFBS) 5th batter GO to 2B (1-1 KB) Brights' 1st(only) inning, actually only .2 of an inning 1st batter Boyd hit by pitch (3-2 KBKBBFFFFF). 2nd batter Meckler walked (3-1 BBKBB); Boyd advanced to second. 3rd batter Forrester homered to center field, 3 RBI (2-1 BKB); Meckler scored; Boyd scored. 4th batter Melton struck out looking (1-2 FBKK). 5th batter Logan doubled down the lf line (2-1 BBF). 6th batter Bazzana doubled to left field (3-1 BBKB); Logan advanced to third. 7th batter Dukart, J. walked (3-1 SBBBB). 8th batter Gretler struck out looking (0-2 FFK). 9th batter Dernedde walked, RBI (3-2 BKBBFB); Dukart, J. advanced to second; Bazzana advanced to third; Logan scored. Yes. Taking him out after the first inning seems crazy…. If you hadnt watched his last few starts. Everyone that I was with agreed he should have been pulled too. Simply because this is who Jake had become. Unreliable. And the magnitude of the game called for desperate measure. If they had that little faith in him they shouldn't have started him. Debating that is not crazy. Debating that they should have pulled him after retiring the side on 19 pitches and facing 5 batters is crazy.
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 15, 2022 14:34:15 GMT -8
Yes. Taking him out after the first inning seems crazy…. If you hadnt watched his last few starts. Everyone that I was with agreed he should have been pulled too. Simply because this is who Jake had become. Unreliable. And the magnitude of the game called for desperate measure. If they had that little faith in him they shouldn't have started him. Debating that is not crazy. Debating that they should have pulled him after retiring the side on 19 pitches and facing 5 batters is crazy. I think it came down to the fact that we had no one else. Cooper was sick. Kmatz was clearly dealing with something. At the end of the day you can say it was crazy to want him out after the first. But a lot of us had seen this act from JP for the last few years. Not something i want to be right about. But.. lets hear his 2nd inning break down?..
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 15, 2022 15:25:13 GMT -8
If they had that little faith in him they shouldn't have started him. Debating that is not crazy. Debating that they should have pulled him after retiring the side on 19 pitches and facing 5 batters is crazy. I think it came down to the fact that we had no one else. Cooper was sick. Kmatz was clearly dealing with something. At the end of the day you can say it was crazy to want him out after the first. But a lot of us had seen this act from JP for the last few years. Not something i want to be right about. But.. lets hear his 2nd inning break down?.. Second inning JP retired the side facing 5 batters and throwing 21 pitches. Not sure what the 2nd inning breakdown would have to do with pulling him in the first? Was our coaching staff supposed to be able to see the future and then take the delorean back to the first inning to pull him? Saying we had no one to start when everyone on the staff had at least 4 days rest, and only CH was unavailable do to unknown illness is weird.
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