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Post by grackle on Jun 11, 2022 7:34:24 GMT -8
IMO, collegiate baseball players' behavior(s) reflect the environment created by their coaches. Most (but NOT all) UTenn players chronically act like entitled children that clearly haven't learned to lose OR win with either grace or maturity. UTenn baseball doesn't reflect well on either their program or their university as a whole. They have become an embarrassment.
It's worth contrasting that with the tradition that is OSU baseball: a classy program, greater than the sum of its parts and a credit to the institution .
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 11, 2022 8:05:45 GMT -8
Drew Gilbert is classless and I’m glad he’s not a Beav. I wish he was a Beav. I don't think Casey would have recruited him if he acted like this in HS and I doubt Canham would tolerate this type of behavior. This is more a reflection of his environment/team than it is of him. I smell re-make! Trading Places 2!!! |
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Post by bennyskid on Jun 11, 2022 9:30:41 GMT -8
...This is more a reflection of his environment/team than it is of him. OTOH, some would argue that sports reveal character.
Some are born classless. Some achieve classlessness. Some have classlessness thrust upon them.
or is it the other way 'round?
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 11, 2022 9:36:42 GMT -8
OTOH, some would argue that sports reveal character.
Some are born classless. Some achieve classlessness. Some have classlessness thrust upon them.
or is it the other way 'round?
He said "thrust"...  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 11, 2022 9:45:57 GMT -8
IMO, collegiate baseball players' behavior(s) reflect the environment created by their coaches. Most (but NOT all) UTenn players chronically act like entitled children that clearly haven't learned to lose OR win with either grace or maturity. UTenn baseball doesn't reflect well on either their program or their university as a whole. They have become an embarrassment. It's worth contrasting that with the tradition that is OSU baseball: a classy program, greater than the sum of its parts and a credit to the institution . I don't know. All I hear about Oregon State is Luke Heimlich this and Luke Heimlich that. Or Ben Wetzler and his non-suspension suspension. Or that shooting incident that involved Anton Maxwell and some of the other players. Oregon State is not perfect either. But definitely not a bunch of slugs like at Tennessee. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 11, 2022 10:10:53 GMT -8
IMO, collegiate baseball players' behavior(s) reflect the environment created by their coaches. Most (but NOT all) UTenn players chronically act like entitled children that clearly haven't learned to lose OR win with either grace or maturity. UTenn baseball doesn't reflect well on either their program or their university as a whole. They have become an embarrassment. It's worth contrasting that with the tradition that is OSU baseball: a classy program, greater than the sum of its parts and a credit to the institution . I don't know. All I hear about Oregon State is Luke Heimlich this and Luke Heimlich that. Or Ben Wetzler and his non-suspension suspension. Or that shooting incident that involved Anton Maxwell and some of the other players. Oregon State is not perfect either. But definitely not a bunch of slugs like at Tennessee. Unfortunately off the field stuff is very hard to control once kids leave the locker room amd are out on their own. Agreed, every program will have incidents of this type. But, in-game, on-the-field behavior is not only far more "controllable", but there for every fan and no fan to see. For a coach to say "I can't control him" is as lame as it gets. You simply do not play him. If he becomes a negative issue in the dugout he's not allowed around the team. If he continues you suspend him and take away his scholly. It really isn't rocket science. The dude is gone in the draft anyway, but the coach that wants to "win at all costs" will never see it that way. Those guys have tied their egos to their team. Winning automatically makes them a better coach/person and they have little realization how far from the truth that is. Vitello is a flash in the pan. His program was basically .500, then he hit the jackpot with two straight recruiting classes. His ethics have always been in question in that area. UT has not been a consistently relevant baseball program since the mid 90's and it appears the University has fallen in love with being on the map again?! In Vitello's case I would not be surprised if recruiting violations and other behavior issues extinguishes his "flame" rather quickly. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 11, 2022 10:13:15 GMT -8
Some are born classless. Some achieve classlessness. Some have classlessness thrust upon them.
or is it the other way 'round?
He said "thrust"... As was once said of Margaret Trudeau: "Some women are born great; some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust into them". |
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Post by william44 on Jun 11, 2022 10:14:12 GMT -8
Going to watch Tennessee Nitre Dame. Compelling game. We will see if they are as obnoxious as some of You think. Will not have Orange colored glasses on. I do not care who wins. Three games will be best.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 11, 2022 10:18:20 GMT -8
Some are born classless. Some achieve classlessness. Some have classlessness thrust upon them.
or is it the other way 'round?
He said "thrust"... I read there's a new B&B movie in the works. With the characters having aged in real-time  Apologies in advance for sidetracking the thread. |
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 11, 2022 10:19:05 GMT -8
I don't know. All I hear about Oregon State is Luke Heimlich this and Luke Heimlich that. Or Ben Wetzler and his non-suspension suspension. Or that shooting incident that involved Anton Maxwell and some of the other players. Oregon State is not perfect either. But definitely not a bunch of slugs like at Tennessee. Unfortunately off the field stuff is very hard to control once kids leave the locker room amd are out on their own. Agreed, every program will have incidents of this type. But, in-game, on-the-field behavior is not only far more "controllable", but there for every fan and no fan to see. For a coach to say "I can't control him" is as lame as it gets. You simply do not play him. If he becomes a negative issue in the dugout he's not allowed around the team. If he continues you suspend him and take away his scholly. It really isn't rocket science. The dude is gone in the draft anyway, but the coach that wants to "win at all costs" will never see it that way. Those guys have tied their egos to their team. Winning automatically makes them a better coach/person and they have little realization how far from the truth that is. Vitello is a flash in the pan. His program was basically .500, then he hit the jackpot with two straight recruiting classes. His ethics have always been in question in that area. UT has not been a consistently relevant baseball program since the mid 90's and it appears the University has fallen in love with being on the map again?! In Vitello's case I would not be surprised if recruiting violations and other behavior issues extinguishes his "flame" rather quickly. Almost sounds like you would appreciate some “moral character and leadership” in your baseball HC. I know, I must be reading that wrong.🤣 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 11, 2022 10:19:25 GMT -8
IMO, collegiate baseball players' behavior(s) reflect the environment created by their coaches. Most (but NOT all) UTenn players chronically act like entitled children that clearly haven't learned to lose OR win with either grace or maturity. UTenn baseball doesn't reflect well on either their program or their university as a whole. They have become an embarrassment. It's worth contrasting that with the tradition that is OSU baseball: a classy program, greater than the sum of its parts and a credit to the institution . I don't know. All I hear about Oregon State is Luke Heimlich this and Luke Heimlich that. Or Ben Wetzler and his non-suspension suspension. Or that shooting incident that involved Anton Maxwell and some of the other players. Oregon State is not perfect either. But definitely not a bunch of slugs like at Tennessee. That's funny, I've hardly heard a word about any of those people in years. Heimlich gets mentioned every once in a while. Today's players were five years old when Anton Maxwell played for the Beavers, and barely teenagers when Wetzler pitched. They're not on anyone's radar, much less having "all I hear about" status. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 11, 2022 10:22:50 GMT -8
He said "thrust"... As was once said of Margaret Trudeau: "Some women are born great; some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust into them".   Foreign democratic leaders consistently tend to poll better in other countries than their own. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 11, 2022 10:25:39 GMT -8
I don't know. All I hear about Oregon State is Luke Heimlich this and Luke Heimlich that. Or Ben Wetzler and his non-suspension suspension. Or that shooting incident that involved Anton Maxwell and some of the other players. Oregon State is not perfect either. But definitely not a bunch of slugs like at Tennessee. That's funny, I've hardly heard a word about any of those people in years. Heimlich gets mentioned every once in a while. Today's players were five years old when Anton Maxwell played for the Beavers, and barely teenagers when Wetzler pitched. They're not on anyone's radar, much less having "all I hear about" status. I was a frosh at OSU and I completely forgot about the rifle thing. |
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 11, 2022 10:50:25 GMT -8
Just a tidbit on the Gilbert ejection,he was warned earlier about complaining about balls and strikes. I guess he didn't listen...
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Post by beavheart on Jun 11, 2022 10:54:33 GMT -8
That's funny, I've hardly heard a word about any of those people in years. Heimlich gets mentioned every once in a while. Today's players were five years old when Anton Maxwell played for the Beavers, and barely teenagers when Wetzler pitched. They're not on anyone's radar, much less having "all I hear about" status. I was a frosh at OSU and I completely forgot about the rifle thing. Wasn't it a BB gun? Or was that a different incident. |
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