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Post by irimi on May 30, 2022 16:28:28 GMT -8
I guess the question is who Vandy is pitching in their first matchup. If they save their best, then we probably ought to follow suit. They will have the tougher matchup, so it's unlikely that they will think about changing their rotation.
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Post by irimi on May 30, 2022 16:31:29 GMT -8
I think the short answer is yes. The longer answer revolves around Cooper and how he may feel about pitching the next week on a day of rest short. after the complete disaster that Saturday was for the pitching staff, who else has had full rest to start on Friday? Maybe Pfennings was a short enough outing that he could go 6 or 7? After nearly two years on the team, can we, who are truly fans of the Beavers, please spell Pfennigs' name correctly? P F E N N I G S No 'n' between the I and the G. It's not pfennINGs. It's pfennIGs. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 30, 2022 16:32:35 GMT -8
after the complete disaster that Saturday was for the pitching staff, who else has had full rest to start on Friday? Maybe Pfennings was a short enough outing that he could go 6 or 7? After nearly two years on the team, can we, who are truly fans of the Beavers, please spell Pfennigs' name correctly? P F E N N I G S No 'n' between the I and the G. It's not pfennINGs. It's pfennIGs. Hopefully, he can give us some quality innigs |
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Post by irimi on May 30, 2022 16:37:31 GMT -8
After nearly two years on the team, can we, who are truly fans of the Beavers, please spell Pfennigs' name correctly? P F E N N I G S No 'n' between the I and the G. It's not pfennINGs. It's pfennIGs. Hopefully, he can give us some quality innigs I know you're just jokig. Spellig isn't so important on a board like this, but the poor guy. It's his name. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 30, 2022 19:18:10 GMT -8
2007. Saved our ace for game two, which reset our pitching for the rest of the Tournament. Paterson started game one but moved to the pen thereafter. Both Paterson and Stutes returned on two days' rest to help Oregon State to come out of the losers' bracket. 2009. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 4. 2010. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 8. Went home after game 3. 2011. Saved the ace for game two. Won both en route to a three-game Corvallis Regional. Tried to switch it back for the Super Regional and it all fell apart. 2012. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 6. Went home after game 4. 2013. Threw the ace in game one but the one with the rubberiest arm. Oregon State did not need Boyd on Monday, sweeping the Corvallis Regional in three. Kansas State beat Oregon in game one of the Corvallis Super Regional, so Boyd came back on one day's rest to pick up the save, which changed the rotation at Omaha to Moore, Wetzler and Boyd. 2014. Threw the ace. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 5. 2015. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 4. Went home after game 3. 2017. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2018. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2019. Threw the ace. Lost game one. No ace for game two and done. 2021. Threw the right-handed ace. The game one team was right-leaning and the expected game two team was left-leaning. Oregon State lost by a run, which messed up the order. Oregon State went home after game 5. Oregon State went 1-2-3 in 2005 and 2006. The only time that the Beavers won a regional since was 2013. But Boyd was a converted reliever, who could throw on short rest after starting and proceeded to do so in the Super Regional. You point out 2011, but 2011 was only close, because Oregon State threw James Nygren, the Sunday starter, saving Sam Gaviglio for the Creighton-Georgia winner and Josh Osich, the Saturday starter, for Sunday. 2014. Oregon State threw the ace, Andrew Moore, who wasted a gem on North Dakota State. Jace Fry pitched a stinker on Saturday and the relievers made it worse in a 12-run loss. Moore came back on two days' rest to pitch the final two innings against Irvine, but the three runs scored on Jake Thompson were all the offense that Irvine needed in a 4-2 win. The coaches will decide which starters give Oregon State the best chance to win the game against New Mexico State and San Diego/Vanderbilt. But throwing the ace has only really worked once in eight tries in the past 15 seasons. Saving the ace has worked four of four times over the past 15 seasons. My argument was focused on the match ups where OSU is the host against a #4, hence the seasons I selected. I understand the arguments made when on the road as a #2 or #3. Either you're facing the #1 seed host, or facing elimination against the #4 team on Saturday. However, going through the seasons that OSU did host, the Friday Ace did pitch on Friday against #4 team in 2005, 2006, 2013, and 2019 as you've stated. As for the other hosted Regionals where the Friday Ace didn't pitch against the #4 team, here are my issues
- 2011 Regional, started Nygren who wasn't the Friday Ace as you've stated. But wow, 4 runs in 4.2 innings? That's playing with some fire right there.
- 2014 Regional, Moore did start, but wasn't Ben Wetzler the Friday Ace pitcher for much of that season and had to sit out his normal start against Washington due to some off field issue and ended up having to pitch Sundays causing Moore to pitch on Fridays and Fry on Saturdays? Personally, I'm counting this as a game where OSU didn't pitch their Friday Ace, as Wetzler had started Fridays for much of that season. However instead of saving the Friday Ace for Saturday, OSU had to go with who was the Sunday guy for the majority of the season on Saturday.
Interestingly, the 2017 and 2018 games were the two largest margin of victories the Beavers had. So, maybe pitching Kmatz (yes, I consider him the Saturday #2 guy, even if Pfennigs did also start on Saturday against UCLA) against the #4 team will somehow increase our offensive output. Then again, those two teams had a reliable shortstop, third baseman, and a designated hitter who could all hit. Wetzler was the Friday starter for 9 of the first 12 games before being suspended for five games, pitching on Sunday against Washington and then sitting out 16 days? Was there an injury? I don't know, if Wetzler was an emergency starter or what, but he was not an option for the first two games; otherwise, he would have started. For whatever reason, the choice was apparently between Andrew Moore and Jace Fry. Moore was the "ace" between the two, because he was the ace for five of the weekends. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on May 31, 2022 7:31:46 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Another poster joining Nuke beav in the 'Almost Lost' pit of despair. If we can't beat NM St with our number 2 or 3 starter we won't be going far in this tournament. But, frankly, our number 2 and 3 starters are going to have to beat teams much stronger then SD/Vandy also, so I'm good whichever way MC rolls it. I would save are number 1 for Saturday, but I ain't the coach. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 31, 2022 9:23:51 GMT -8
No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Another poster joining Nuke beav in the 'Almost Lost' pit of despair. If we can't beat NM St with our number 2 or 3 starter we won't be going far in this tournament. But, frankly, our number 2 and 3 starters are going to have to beat teams much stronger then SD/Vandy also, so I'm good whichever way MC rolls it. I would save are number 1 for Saturday, but I ain't the coach. good lord bringing that one back out to play? Kumar and Leiter are both very good pitchers for Vandy. Going to have to win with the bats for either matchup. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 31, 2022 9:44:37 GMT -8
Another poster joining Nuke beav in the 'Almost Lost' pit of despair. If we can't beat NM St with our number 2 or 3 starter we won't be going far in this tournament. But, frankly, our number 2 and 3 starters are going to have to beat teams much stronger then SD/Vandy also, so I'm good whichever way MC rolls it. I would save are number 1 for Saturday, but I ain't the coach. good lord bringing that one back out to play? Kumar and Leiter are both very good pitchers for Vandy. Going to have to win with the bats for either matchup. Kumar & Leiter are in the minor leagues. They are not on the team anymore. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 31, 2022 9:53:03 GMT -8
good lord bringing that one back out to play? Kumar and Leiter are both very good pitchers for Vandy. Going to have to win with the bats for either matchup. Kumar & Leiter are in the minor leagues. They are not on the team anymore. oh balls looked at the wrong year. Their top 3 are statistically worse or on par with Kmatz |
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Post by badwack on May 31, 2022 9:53:04 GMT -8
You mean we can't bring back Boyd or Eisert? We could use a lefty.
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Post by ag87 on May 31, 2022 10:00:33 GMT -8
Heck, Larnach is hot right now. Bring him back and let him DH. (That's if ARutschman can't get here to DH and backup the backstop)
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Post by beavs6 on May 31, 2022 10:14:39 GMT -8
Heck, Larnach is hot right now. Bring him back and let him DH. (That's if ARutschman can't get here to DH and backup the backstop) O's use him(AR) as a DH, don't see why we can't.  |
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Post by badwack on May 31, 2022 13:24:27 GMT -8
What a tough call that would be. Selecting two to bring back to this team. I would lean to Grenier and Rutch playing anywhere. But we could really use a Auto Win Pitcher.
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Post by jefframp on May 31, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -8
What a tough call that would be. Selecting two to bring back to this team. I would lean to Grenier and Rutch playing anywhere. But we could really use a Auto Win Pitcher. Jonah Nickerson the Iron Man. |
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Post by mbabeav on May 31, 2022 16:03:42 GMT -8
What a tough call that would be. Selecting two to bring back to this team. I would lean to Grenier and Rutch playing anywhere. But we could really use a Auto Win Pitcher. Jonah Nickerson the Iron Man. That freshman kid Reyes was pretty good too. |
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