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Post by messi on May 30, 2022 12:01:11 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on May 30, 2022 12:26:23 GMT -8
Yep.....we need to approach the Friday game as we have all season long. We go with our Friday starter Hjerpe.....
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Post by beavermd on May 30, 2022 12:29:12 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Starting Pfennigs isn’t treating it like a mid week. Go look at NMSU’s pitching numbers. Team era of 6.69 with no one under 4. Our bats should feast, and Pfennigs can “get right” without the increased pressure of game 2. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 30, 2022 12:33:19 GMT -8
No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Starting Pfennigs isn’t treating it like a mid week. Go look at NMSU’s pitching numbers. Team era of 6.69 with no one under 4. Our bats should feast, and Pfennigs can “get right” without the increased pressure of game 2. He could get right or he could have the same control issues he had in his last outing. If he struggles, you’re into your bullpen early which is a big risk to take. |
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Post by beavs6 on May 30, 2022 12:49:48 GMT -8
Starting Pfennigs isn’t treating it like a mid week. Go look at NMSU’s pitching numbers. Team era of 6.69 with no one under 4. Our bats should feast, and Pfennigs can “get right” without the increased pressure of game 2. He could get right or he could have the same control issues he had in his last outing. If he struggles, you’re into your bullpen early which is a big risk to take. True. But I would rather be into our bullpen early against NMSU than against SD or Vandy. Hopefully by Monday next week this is a mute point and we are consturnating how to beat UCLA.(or FL, or FSU) |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 30, 2022 13:51:15 GMT -8
He could get right or he could have the same control issues he had in his last outing. If he struggles, you’re into your bullpen early which is a big risk to take. True. But I would rather be into our bullpen early against NMSU than against SD or Vandy. Hopefully by Monday next week this is a mute point and we are consturnating how to beat UCLA.(or FL, or FSU) I’d rather not burn through our bullpen in the first game. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 30, 2022 13:54:08 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. 2007. Saved our ace for game two, which reset our pitching for the rest of the Tournament. Paterson started game one but moved to the pen thereafter. Both Paterson and Stutes returned on two days' rest to help Oregon State to come out of the losers' bracket. 2009. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 4. 2010. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 8. Went home after game 3. 2011. Saved the ace for game two. Won both en route to a three-game Corvallis Regional. Tried to switch it back for the Super Regional and it all fell apart. 2012. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 6. Went home after game 4. 2013. Threw the ace in game one but the one with the rubberiest arm. Oregon State did not need Boyd on Monday, sweeping the Corvallis Regional in three. Kansas State beat Oregon in game one of the Corvallis Super Regional, so Boyd came back on one day's rest to pick up the save, which changed the rotation at Omaha to Moore, Wetzler and Boyd. 2014. Threw the ace. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 5. 2015. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 4. Went home after game 3. 2017. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2018. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2019. Threw the ace. Lost game one. No ace for game two and done. 2021. Threw the right-handed ace. The game one team was right-leaning and the expected game two team was left-leaning. Oregon State lost by a run, which messed up the order. Oregon State went home after game 5. Oregon State went 1-2-3 in 2005 and 2006. The only time that the Beavers won a regional since was 2013. But Boyd was a converted reliever, who could throw on short rest after starting and proceeded to do so in the Super Regional. You point out 2011, but 2011 was only close, because Oregon State threw James Nygren, the Sunday starter, saving Sam Gaviglio for the Creighton-Georgia winner and Josh Osich, the Saturday starter, for Sunday. 2014. Oregon State threw the ace, Andrew Moore, who wasted a gem on North Dakota State. Jace Fry pitched a stinker on Saturday and the relievers made it worse in a 12-run loss. Moore came back on two days' rest to pitch the final two innings against Irvine, but the three runs scored on Jake Thompson were all the offense that Irvine needed in a 4-2 win. The coaches will decide which starters give Oregon State the best chance to win the game against New Mexico State and San Diego/Vanderbilt. But throwing the ace has only really worked once in eight tries in the past 15 seasons. Saving the ace has worked four of four times over the past 15 seasons. |
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Post by messi on May 30, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -8
No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. 2007. Saved our ace for game two, which reset our pitching for the rest of the Tournament. Paterson started game one but moved to the pen thereafter. Both Paterson and Stutes returned on two days' rest to help Oregon State to come out of the losers' bracket. 2009. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 4. 2010. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 8. Went home after game 3. 2011. Saved the ace for game two. Won both en route to a three-game Corvallis Regional. Tried to switch it back for the Super Regional and it all fell apart. 2012. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 6. Went home after game 4. 2013. Threw the ace in game one but the one with the rubberiest arm. Oregon State did not need Boyd on Monday, sweeping the Corvallis Regional in three. Kansas State beat Oregon in game one of the Corvallis Super Regional, so Boyd came back on one day's rest to pick up the save, which changed the rotation at Omaha to Moore, Wetzler and Boyd. 2014. Threw the ace. Lost game two by 12. Went home after game 5. 2015. Threw the ace in game one. Lost game two by 4. Went home after game 3. 2017. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2018. Saved the ace for game two. Swept the Corvallis Regional. 2019. Threw the ace. Lost game one. No ace for game two and done. 2021. Threw the right-handed ace. The game one team was right-leaning and the expected game two team was left-leaning. Oregon State lost by a run, which messed up the order. Oregon State went home after game 5. Oregon State went 1-2-3 in 2005 and 2006. The only time that the Beavers won a regional since was 2013. But Boyd was a converted reliever, who could throw on short rest after starting and proceeded to do so in the Super Regional. You point out 2011, but 2011 was only close, because Oregon State threw James Nygren, the Sunday starter, saving Sam Gaviglio for the Creighton-Georgia winner and Josh Osich, the Saturday starter, for Sunday. 2014. Oregon State threw the ace, Andrew Moore, who wasted a gem on North Dakota State. Jace Fry pitched a stinker on Saturday and the relievers made it worse in a 12-run loss. Moore came back on two days' rest to pitch the final two innings against Irvine, but the three runs scored on Jake Thompson were all the offense that Irvine needed in a 4-2 win. The coaches will decide which starters give Oregon State the best chance to win the game against New Mexico State and San Diego/Vanderbilt. But throwing the ace has only really worked once in eight tries in the past 15 seasons. Saving the ace has worked four of four times over the past 15 seasons. My argument was focused on the match ups where OSU is the host against a #4, hence the seasons I selected. I understand the arguments made when on the road as a #2 or #3. Either you're facing the #1 seed host, or facing elimination against the #4 team on Saturday. However, going through the seasons that OSU did host, the Friday Ace did pitch on Friday against #4 team in 2005, 2006, 2013, and 2019 as you've stated. As for the other hosted Regionals where the Friday Ace didn't pitch against the #4 team, here are my issues
- 2011 Regional, started Nygren who wasn't the Friday Ace as you've stated. But wow, 4 runs in 4.2 innings? That's playing with some fire right there.
- 2014 Regional, Moore did start, but wasn't Ben Wetzler the Friday Ace pitcher for much of that season and had to sit out his normal start against Washington due to some off field issue and ended up having to pitch Sundays causing Moore to pitch on Fridays and Fry on Saturdays? Personally, I'm counting this as a game where OSU didn't pitch their Friday Ace, as Wetzler had started Fridays for much of that season. However instead of saving the Friday Ace for Saturday, OSU had to go with who was the Sunday guy for the majority of the season on Saturday.
Interestingly, the 2017 and 2018 games were the two largest margin of victories the Beavers had. So, maybe pitching Kmatz (yes, I consider him the Saturday #2 guy, even if Pfennigs did also start on Saturday against UCLA) against the #4 team will somehow increase our offensive output. Then again, those two teams had a reliable shortstop, third baseman, and a designated hitter who could all hit.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 30, 2022 15:45:08 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. Start Hunter or Pfennigs and let the bullpen play. Hjerpe for winners game #2, Kmatz for game 3 and hopefully that’s that. If we play 4 then whoever didn’t start Friday goes. Super Regional back to normal order. |
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Post by zeroposter on May 30, 2022 15:47:51 GMT -8
95% of the posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe doesn’t start and the Beavers lose. 95% of posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe starts and wins on Friday but the Beavers lose to Vandy-San Diego. I just drink beer because I have no clue.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 30, 2022 15:51:00 GMT -8
Do you dare save our ace for game two? Vandy (or SD) are really good. NM State is not. No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Good enough for me. If we just keep our typical rotation we’ll have a solid shot going 3-0. If we need a game 4 Hunter will be spry and having Lattery back in the mix is a big deal. Frankly I don’t think any of these teams have better fri/sat/sun pitchers than our same guys. One things for sure, none of them are coming in as tested as us. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 30, 2022 15:52:36 GMT -8
95% of the posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe doesn’t start and the Beavers lose. 95% of posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe starts and wins on Friday but the Beavers lose to Vandy-San Diego. I just drink beer because I have no clue. It’s easier to blame players for single game results and coaches for seasonal results. Plus then you can keep drinking all season fermenting a complex opinion. |
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Post by ricke71 on May 30, 2022 15:59:11 GMT -8
No, and here why 2005 - Won by one over Ohio State, required walk off 2006 - Won by two over Wright State 2011 - Won by three over Arkansas-Little Rock, trailed after 5 innings 2013 - Won by one over UT-San Antonio, required walk off where the Beavers trailed in the 9th 2014 - Won by one over North Dakota State 2017 and 2018 were larger margins that didn’t require a walk off or a closer to save. Although 2017 against Holy Cross was a one run lead after the top of the sixth. You absolutely never, never, never, take for granted the #4 seed in the regional. They’re there for a reason, and it’s because of their guy on the mound. Treat the game like a mid-week, and we’re playing Saturday afternoon instead of Saturday evening. Good enough for me. If we just keep our typical rotation we’ll have a solid shot going 3-0. If we need a game 4 Hunter will be spry and having Lattery back in the mix is a big deal. Frankly I don’t think any of these teams have better fri/sat/sun pitchers than our same guys. One things for sure, none of them are coming in as tested as us. Hopefully the Lattery component will come through, if needed. Since his return: 2 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 2 SO, 0 ER. I think he's ready. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 30, 2022 16:06:32 GMT -8
95% of the posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe doesn’t start and the Beavers lose. 95% of posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe starts and wins on Friday but the Beavers lose to Vandy-San Diego. I just drink beer because I have no clue. Plus, all that nonsense is 20/20 hindsight. Where I know well ahead of time what options I'll drink, and that all will be "successful". I know what I'd do, what MC decides is on him. No one can say which is correct ahead of time. I just never eff with fate... win the game in front of you. Never play game 2 until you finish game 1. As stated earlier, there's not a team OSU can't handle in this regional. Win game 1. |
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Post by jrbeavo on May 30, 2022 16:23:43 GMT -8
95% of the posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe doesn’t start and the Beavers lose. 95% of posters will rip Mitch a new one if Hjerpe starts and wins on Friday but the Beavers lose to Vandy-San Diego. I just drink beer because I have no clue. The latter is true, the former not so much. Most people on here are sophisticated enough baseball fans to understand that if we cannot beat NM State without our ace then we were never going to be a factor in the tournament to begin with. |
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