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Post by bvogrande on May 20, 2022 10:53:20 GMT -8
Whenever we lose, some people need a reason other than “the other team was better.” There’s always one player, one coaching decision, one umpire call that they want to point to as the reason, as if every game should be a win. Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. Wheeler got hurt right after Surprise. Those 11.5 rpg are for the 7 games in Surprise. That's a pretty good number, but we scored 21 of those in the first game in which TJ got one hit. I think our offensive woes are beyond TJ. |
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Post by OSUprof on May 20, 2022 11:24:58 GMT -8
More LOB? That's not true as OSU's LOB is dropping with our increased hitting problems. Good offensive teams put more runners on base and as a consequence, often they leave more runners on base than their opponents. On average, CWS winners strand 1.0 more runners per game than their opponents over the course of a season. Do bad teams strand more runners? Over the last two decades, the last place teams in the Pac-10/12 have averaged 7.4 runners per game LOB while their opponents have averaged 7.9 runners LOB per game. Bad teams leave FEWER runners than their opponents, and in this case, 0.5 fewer runners per game were stranded by last place teams compared with their opponents.
For the season to date, OSU has averaged 9 LOB per game while the opponents have 6.6 LOB per game. In OSU's 12 losses, the LOB drops to 8.5 for OSU and for the opponents, the LOB rises to 7.2 LOB per game. For the current 3-game losing streak, OSU's LOB per game is 7.7 while our opponents are leaving MORE on base at 8.7 per game.
There is only one way a team loses to another in baseball – that’s by scoring fewer runs than your opponent, not by stranding too many runners.
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Post by mbabeav on May 20, 2022 11:30:29 GMT -8
More LOB? That's not true as OSU's LOB is dropping with our increased hitting problems. Good offensive teams put more runners on base and as a consequence, often they leave more runners on base than their opponents. On average, CWS winners strand 1.0 more runners per game than their opponents over the course of a season. Do bad teams strand more runners? Over the last two decades, the last place teams in the Pac-10/12 have averaged 7.4 runners per game LOB while their opponents have averaged 7.9 runners LOB per game. Bad teams leave FEWER runners than their opponents, and in this case, 0.5 fewer runners per game were stranded by last place teams compared with their opponents.
For the season to date, OSU has averaged 9 LOB per game while the opponents have 6.6 LOB per game. In OSU's 12 losses, the LOB drops to 8.5 for OSU and for the opponents, the LOB rises to 7.2 LOB per game. For the current 3-game losing streak, OSU's LOB per game is 7.7 while our opponents are leaving MORE on base at 8.7 per game.
There is only one way a team loses to another in baseball – that’s by scoring fewer runs than your opponent, not by stranding too many runners.
I would think that the relevant statistic would be batting average with runners on base. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 20, 2022 11:46:14 GMT -8
There is only one way a team loses to another in baseball – that’s by scoring fewer runs than your opponent, not by stranding too many runners.
True. But aside from solo HR's you cant score if you dont get runners on base. More runners on base more chances to score runs. Cant have one without the other sort of thing i suppose. |
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Post by bvogrande on May 20, 2022 11:58:34 GMT -8
There is only one way a team loses to another in baseball – that’s by scoring fewer runs than your opponent, not by stranding too many runners.
True. But aside from solo HR's you cant score if you dont get runners on base. More runners on base more chances to score runs. Cant have one without the other sort of thing i suppose. 3 run shots and grand slams don’t leave dudes on base either. 😂 |
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 12:01:33 GMT -8
This game actually turned, IMHO, in a couple key situations with men on and and a baffling coaching decision. The Beavers not only unable to produce key hit(s), but put the ball in play with any authority. Rajcic was extremely tough at times, but had some shaky moments (5 BBs) that were not taken advantage of.
Couple that with the inexplicable pitching change to Carpenter?! DJ has done nothing but struggle his last (5) outings. Starting with a short 0.2 inning stint at Oregon 4/26 he has a line that speaks volumes on this decision in a one run game: @oregon (0.2 / ERA 13.50), @utah (1.1 / 6.50), Oregon (2.0 / 9.00), @zona (1.1 / 27.00), UCLA (0.2 / 27.00)
6 IP... 14 Hits... 10 R/ 10 ER (of his 17 on the season)... ERA 15.00... BAA .467 (30 AB /14 Hits)
Pulling Ben made absolutely zero sense. You don't play for the future wins in this series. Down only 2-1, you do not bring in a guy like DJ who has struggled consistently over the last part of the season. Basically UCLA wants a low scoring pitcher's duel, and if they can make it a close game going to each teams' pen they will win out most of the time. Their closer has shown the stuff to bounce back. If UCLA has a lead late OSU will see him again.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 20, 2022 12:03:58 GMT -8
I'm calling it now. I think we come out and spank UCLA today, and tomorrow. I just have a feeling our guys are going to respond to the bell. Go Beavs!
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Post by bvogrande on May 20, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -8
This game actually turned, IMHO, in a couple key situations with men on and and a baffling coaching decision. The Beavers not only unable to produce key hit(s), but put the ball in play with any authority. Rajcic was extremely tough at times, but had some shaky moments (5 BBs) that were not taken advantage of. Couple that with the inexplicable pitching change to Carpenter?! DJ has done nothing but struggle his last (5) outings. Starting with a short 0.2 inning stint at Oregon 4/26 he has a line that speaks volumes on this decision in a one run game: @oregon (0.2 / ERA 13.50), @utah (1.1 / 6.50), Oregon (2.0 / 9.00), @zona (1.1 / 27.00), UCLA (0.2 / 27.00) 6 IP... 14 Hits... 10 R/ 10 ER (of his 17 on the season)... ERA 15.00... BAA .467 (30 AB /14 Hits) Pulling Ben made absolutely zero sense. You don't play for the future wins in this series. Down only 2-1, you do not bring in a guy like DJ who has struggled consistently over the last part of the season. Basically UCLA wants a low scoring pitcher's duel, and if they can make it a close game going to each teams' pen they will win out most of the time. Their closer has shown the stuff to bounce back. If UCLA has a lead late OSU will see him again. even with the "pulling Ben blunder", DJ should've been pulled right after the 1 out walk to Reyes. Unfortunately the bruin's 8 and 9 hitters had no trouble singling off of DJ. how's Lattery feeling? Is he ready to go yet? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 20, 2022 12:33:13 GMT -8
This game actually turned, IMHO, in a couple key situations with men on and and a baffling coaching decision. The Beavers not only unable to produce key hit(s), but put the ball in play with any authority. Rajcic was extremely tough at times, but had some shaky moments (5 BBs) that were not taken advantage of. Couple that with the inexplicable pitching change to Carpenter?! DJ has done nothing but struggle his last (5) outings. Starting with a short 0.2 inning stint at Oregon 4/26 he has a line that speaks volumes on this decision in a one run game: @oregon (0.2 / ERA 13.50), @utah (1.1 / 6.50), Oregon (2.0 / 9.00), @zona (1.1 / 27.00), UCLA (0.2 / 27.00) 6 IP... 14 Hits... 10 R/ 10 ER (of his 17 on the season)... ERA 15.00... BAA .467 (30 AB /14 Hits) Pulling Ben made absolutely zero sense. You don't play for the future wins in this series. Down only 2-1, you do not bring in a guy like DJ who has struggled consistently over the last part of the season. Basically UCLA wants a low scoring pitcher's duel, and if they can make it a close game going to each teams' pen they will win out most of the time. Their closer has shown the stuff to bounce back. If UCLA has a lead late OSU will see him again. Carpenter has not been great for the past four weeks. But Carpenter was particularly bad last weekend and last night. Carpenter also picked up the losses against Arizona State and California earlier in the season, which is why we are in second place right now. Carpenter owns 1/3 of the conference losses and had a big hand in a fourth conference loss last night. Conference losses by pitcher: Carpenter 3 Hjerpe 2 (with a big assist by Carpenter)
Verburg 2
Kmatz 1
Sebby 1
Carpenter has a conference ERA of 8.78, worst on the team among pitchers that have thrown more than two innings in conference play. |
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Post by bvogrande on May 20, 2022 13:12:59 GMT -8
This game actually turned, IMHO, in a couple key situations with men on and and a baffling coaching decision. The Beavers not only unable to produce key hit(s), but put the ball in play with any authority. Rajcic was extremely tough at times, but had some shaky moments (5 BBs) that were not taken advantage of. Couple that with the inexplicable pitching change to Carpenter?! DJ has done nothing but struggle his last (5) outings. Starting with a short 0.2 inning stint at Oregon 4/26 he has a line that speaks volumes on this decision in a one run game: @oregon (0.2 / ERA 13.50), @utah (1.1 / 6.50), Oregon (2.0 / 9.00), @zona (1.1 / 27.00), UCLA (0.2 / 27.00) 6 IP... 14 Hits... 10 R/ 10 ER (of his 17 on the season)... ERA 15.00... BAA .467 (30 AB /14 Hits) Pulling Ben made absolutely zero sense. You don't play for the future wins in this series. Down only 2-1, you do not bring in a guy like DJ who has struggled consistently over the last part of the season. Basically UCLA wants a low scoring pitcher's duel, and if they can make it a close game going to each teams' pen they will win out most of the time. Their closer has shown the stuff to bounce back. If UCLA has a lead late OSU will see him again. Carpenter has not been great for the past four weeks. But Carpenter was particularly bad last weekend and last night. Carpenter also picked up the losses against Arizona State and California earlier in the season, which is why we are in second place right now. Carpenter owns 1/3 of the conference losses and had a big hand in a fourth conference loss last night. Conference losses by pitcher: Carpenter 3 Hjerpe 2 (with a big assist by Carpenter)
Verburg 2
Kmatz 1
Sebby 1
Carpenter has a conference ERA of 8.78, worst on the team among pitchers that have thrown more than two innings in conference play.Ouch! thanks for those stats, although I wish I could un-read it now. 🥴 |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 20, 2022 19:26:25 GMT -8
True. But aside from solo HR's you cant score if you dont get runners on base. More runners on base more chances to score runs. Cant have one without the other sort of thing i suppose. 3 run shots and grand slams don’t leave dudes on base either. 😂 True. Cant always count on HR's though. Lot more likely to score with base hits. To do that you need base runners. Means your likely to have LOB's. |
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Post by irimi on May 20, 2022 21:34:13 GMT -8
This game actually turned, IMHO, in a couple key situations with men on and and a baffling coaching decision. The Beavers not only unable to produce key hit(s), but put the ball in play with any authority. Rajcic was extremely tough at times, but had some shaky moments (5 BBs) that were not taken advantage of. Couple that with the inexplicable pitching change to Carpenter?! DJ has done nothing but struggle his last (5) outings. Starting with a short 0.2 inning stint at Oregon 4/26 he has a line that speaks volumes on this decision in a one run game: @oregon (0.2 / ERA 13.50), @utah (1.1 / 6.50), Oregon (2.0 / 9.00), @zona (1.1 / 27.00), UCLA (0.2 / 27.00) 6 IP... 14 Hits... 10 R/ 10 ER (of his 17 on the season)... ERA 15.00... BAA .467 (30 AB /14 Hits) Pulling Ben made absolutely zero sense. You don't play for the future wins in this series. Down only 2-1, you do not bring in a guy like DJ who has struggled consistently over the last part of the season. Basically UCLA wants a low scoring pitcher's duel, and if they can make it a close game going to each teams' pen they will win out most of the time. Their closer has shown the stuff to bounce back. If UCLA has a lead late OSU will see him again. Carpenter has not been great for the past four weeks. But Carpenter was particularly bad last weekend and last night. Carpenter also picked up the losses against Arizona State and California earlier in the season, which is why we are in second place right now. Carpenter owns 1/3 of the conference losses and had a big hand in a fourth conference loss last night. Conference losses by pitcher: Carpenter 3 Hjerpe 2 (with a big assist by Carpenter)
Verburg 2
Kmatz 1
Sebby 1
Carpenter has a conference ERA of 8.78, worst on the team among pitchers that have thrown more than two innings in conference play.Carpenter doesn't have the stuff to get a quality team like UCLA to bite. Not yet. And they made him pay. I couldn't believe Dorman called him into the game at that point. I thought it was the wrong decision at the time. |
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