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Post by nabeav on May 19, 2022 22:01:36 GMT -8
You know, I read these threads every game. You all crack me up. Between the “sky is falling” to the “know it alls” to the “unreasonably optimistic” to the “I’m going to argue with everyone to prove I’m right”. I’ve come to the conclusion that, as beavers fans, there are a lot of ups and downs. And it feels good to vent frustration. I guess that’s what these boards are for. I just wish you all would chill out a bit, but whatever. That’s what fandom is about I guess. Hope you all are enjoying your drinks! (I am). Go Beavs! Kinda explained fandom in general haha. Fans react by innings, quarters, periods and statistically and logically its ridiculous. Being a fan is really just about emotion. Unless you are really ego bound to a sport or team then its just entertainment and emotional release. #KnowItAll #OverlyOptimistic Sat out in the RF bleachers for the first time in my life tonight. Had a little bit of everything. Over amped college bro yelling “where’s Abby?” at the UCLA RF all night, guys booing strike calls from 360 feet away, one guy that got increasingly angry throughout the game every time a Beaver batter took a strike, optimistic kids imploring everyone to put rally caps on, a couple co-eds that kept dropping f bombs in casual conversation and taking about wanting to be at Clod’s, and one lady that asked “what’s up with the KKK in the stands over there?” That one got my attention until I realized she was talking about the strikeout tally. |
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Post by nabeav on May 19, 2022 22:03:22 GMT -8
We just really struggle against Ace pitchers without Wheeler in the lineup. Hmmmm... confused here?? Exactly versus what "Ace pitchers" did TJ help OSU? Because he's only played in 16 games, 44 total AB, hitting .227 with more K's than hits. Played in UW series (no qualified "Aces"), @utah (no "Ace"), the Sunday game vs ucks (definitely no "Aces"). Went 0 fer 8 in Pac12 play vs some of the worst pitching. TJ was hurt, hasn't recovered. But, he's played in 16 total D1 games so I'm not sure how anyone can say he's the missing link. His JC stats were awesome in '21, but that doesn't always translate. Whenever we lose, some people need a reason other than “the other team was better.” There’s always one player, one coaching decision, one umpire call that they want to point to as the reason, as if every game should be a win. |
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Post by bvogrande on May 19, 2022 23:51:20 GMT -8
sitting at the game i kept thinking, "ucla is doing the things we should be doing when pitching is good and base hits are at a premium." i know it's a cliché, but they pretty much beat us at our own game.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 20, 2022 4:15:37 GMT -8
Hmmmm... confused here?? Exactly versus what "Ace pitchers" did TJ help OSU? Because he's only played in 16 games, 44 total AB, hitting .227 with more K's than hits. Played in UW series (no qualified "Aces"), @utah (no "Ace"), the Sunday game vs ucks (definitely no "Aces"). Went 0 fer 8 in Pac12 play vs some of the worst pitching. TJ was hurt, hasn't recovered. But, he's played in 16 total D1 games so I'm not sure how anyone can say he's the missing link. His JC stats were awesome in '21, but that doesn't always translate. Whenever we lose, some people need a reason other than “the other team was better.” There’s always one player, one coaching decision, one umpire call that they want to point to as the reason, as if every game should be a win. Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 20, 2022 4:16:39 GMT -8
He’s not supposed to be rooting for OSU. That’s his job. I will agree that he’s a little blah…as far as adding to the broadcast. Actually blah is better than Parker's up and down, routine mixed with lame arsed stories that usually have no context. Then of course the downer pout if things go south. Pac12 baseball really has no good announcers or color guys. But, most of us watch the game for the game and know how to mute crappy announcers. So there's that. I liked Kevin Stocker, but not sure if he’s done any of our games this year. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 20, 2022 4:18:18 GMT -8
sitting at the game i kept thinking, "ucla is doing the things we should be doing when pitching is good and base hits are at a premium." i know it's a cliché, but they pretty much beat us at our own game. They totally did. They challenged our defense with aggressive base running and taking advantage of every opportunity. We didn't and it certainly didn't help that our most disruptive base runners only got on base 3 times. Fuchs was the most threatening base runner all game which is uh...not a good thing. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 20, 2022 6:43:13 GMT -8
Kinda explained fandom in general haha. Fans react by innings, quarters, periods and statistically and logically its ridiculous. Being a fan is really just about emotion. Unless you are really ego bound to a sport or team then its just entertainment and emotional release. #KnowItAll #OverlyOptimistic Sat out in the RF bleachers for the first time in my life tonight. Had a little bit of everything. Over amped college bro yelling “where’s Abby?” at the UCLA RF all night, guys booing strike calls from 360 feet away, one guy that got increasingly angry throughout the game every time a Beaver batter took a strike, optimistic kids imploring everyone to put rally caps on, a couple co-eds that kept dropping f bombs in casual conversation and taking about wanting to be at Clod’s, and one lady that asked “what’s up with the KKK in the stands over there?” That one got my attention until I realized she was talking about the strikeout tally. Its interesting how the squirrelliness goes up exponentially from inside the park, to those bleachers. |
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Post by chinmusic on May 20, 2022 7:01:25 GMT -8
Rajcic was a load.
94 mph heat, a filthy 12-6 breaking ball that dropped off the table, pounded the bottom of the zone hard, threw strikes, changed speeds . . .OSU hitters had their hands full.
In fact, he was so good . . . . he probably could have held Tennessee to 10 or 11 runs.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 20, 2022 7:11:15 GMT -8
sitting at the game i kept thinking, "ucla is doing the things we should be doing when pitching is good and base hits are at a premium." i know it's a cliché, but they pretty much beat us at our own game. They totally did. They challenged our defense with aggressive base running and taking advantage of every opportunity. We didn't and it certainly didn't help that our most disruptive base runners only got on base 3 times. Fuchs was the most threatening base runner all game which is uh...not a good thing. Meckler, Boyd, and Melton have to be better at the plate or we lose. |
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Post by nabeav on May 20, 2022 7:53:00 GMT -8
Rajcic was a load. 94 mph heat, a filthy 12-6 breaking ball that dropped off the table, pounded the bottom of the zone hard, threw strikes, changed speeds . . .OSU hitters had their hands full. In fact, he was so good . . . . he probably could have held Tennessee to 10 or 11 runs. Seemed like he didn't throw that curveball for a strike from about the 3rd inning through the 6th. We did a good job of laying off it, but we still couldn't tee off on the fastball, which was concerning to me. Definitely felt like we took too many first pitch fastballs, particularly in the 6th inning, and then fouled off pitches we could've done damage on. Of course the one curve he threw for a strike was his last pitch of the game, which caught Fuchs looking with the bases loaded if I recall. Really thought we were going to break it open that inning, and was really surprised they let him pitch to Fuchs, who had squared up two balls already in the game. Again, this was from my view in the RF bleachers. Couldn't tell what kind of tail he had on the fastball or anything like that. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 20, 2022 9:55:17 GMT -8
Whenever we lose, some people need a reason other than “the other team was better.” There’s always one player, one coaching decision, one umpire call that they want to point to as the reason, as if every game should be a win. Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. Just a general observation as my schedule today does not permit detailed analysis. We traditionally start the season with some pretty great numbers at the plate and those numbers move down a bit as the season progresses. The old adage "good pitching beats good hitting" applies as an explanation for such a season trend. I like Wheeler, I just don't think he's a 4 run per game difference maker. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 10:19:21 GMT -8
Whenever we lose, some people need a reason other than “the other team was better.” There’s always one player, one coaching decision, one umpire call that they want to point to as the reason, as if every game should be a win. Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. I hate to confuse facts with fantasy. But, you seem like an intelligent guy so you should be able to answer a few queries about your methodology... -Do you know when TJ was injured? -How many games did TJ play in pre injury? Post? -Does the level of opponent, facing actual weekend starters effect OSU's run production? Regarding your actual data drop. I assume your pre/post data using the Zags was the last game TJ played vs them, April 18? In your random pick of that date TJ didn't play in the 24 of the 35 games that made up that 11+ runs per game. And in no Pac12 games to that point. -So how exactly did TJ have much to do with either average you calculated? Now back to your original claim, my question you did not answer... versus what "Ace" did TJ make the difference for this team? |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 20, 2022 10:45:51 GMT -8
Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. Just a general observation as my schedule today does not permit detailed analysis. We traditionally start the season with some pretty great numbers at the plate and those numbers move down a bit as the season progresses. The old adage "good pitching beats good hitting" applies as an explanation for such a season trend. I like Wheeler, I just don't think he's a 4 run per game difference maker. Typically a factor of scouting reports and such. Good observation. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 20, 2022 10:47:12 GMT -8
Yeah I get the reductionism and bianary thinking in sports, not what I am doing. Before Wheeler went down we were one of the best offenses in the country. After we have been average/good. More LOB, more strike outs, fewer hits and fewer runs. We have left Hjerpe in the lurch 3 times this year with an absolutely dead offense against a teams best pitching. Pre-Injury: 11.5 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 11 rpg Post-Injury: 7 rpg. BASELINE: Zag 7.5 rpg Love to hear a reason our offense has dropped 4.5 rpg on average, and specifically against a single opponent we played mid week, if it isn't losing Wheeler.. I hate to confuse facts with fantasy. But, you seem like an intelligent guy so you should be able to answer a few queries about your methodology... -Do you know when TJ was injured? -How many games did TJ play in pre injury? Post? -Does the level of opponent, facing actual weekend starters effect OSU's run production? Regarding your actual data drop. I assume your pre/post data using the Zags was the last game TJ played vs them, April 18? In your random pick of that date TJ didn't play in the 24 of the 35 games that made up that 11+ runs per game. And in no Pac12 games to that point. -So how exactly did TJ have much to do with either average you calculated? Now back to your original claim, my question you did not answer... versus what "Ace" did TJ make the difference for this team? George you are blocked. This is the last time I will ever respond to you. If you want to know the answers do your own work. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -8
I hate to confuse facts with fantasy. But, you seem like an intelligent guy so you should be able to answer a few queries about your methodology... -Do you know when TJ was injured? -How many games did TJ play in pre injury? Post? -Does the level of opponent, facing actual weekend starters effect OSU's run production? Regarding your actual data drop. I assume your pre/post data using the Zags was the last game TJ played vs them, April 18? In your random pick of that date TJ didn't play in the 24 of the 35 games that made up that 11+ runs per game. And in no Pac12 games to that point. -So how exactly did TJ have much to do with either average you calculated? Now back to your original claim, my question you did not answer... versus what "Ace" did TJ make the difference for this team? George you are blocked. This is the last time I will ever respond to you. If you want to know the answers do your own work. In other words pretty flawed data including the misuse of "bianary" (what?). |
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