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Post by jdogge on Apr 18, 2022 20:40:18 GMT -8
5 spot drop in RPI with the loss...hurts top 8 seed chances pretty hard. Loss tomorrow could eliminate the possibility without Pac12 reg season championship Breathe through the pain and repeat after me: The world is not ending ... The world is not ending ... |
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Post by steinlager on Apr 18, 2022 21:28:12 GMT -8
Baseball will humble you.
Looking forward to a better showing tomorrow but getting beat by the Zags was a harbinger of good things to come in past seasons.
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Post by william44 on Apr 19, 2022 10:17:12 GMT -8
Their approach was impressive. We need to respond. We may see them in a regional.,They we’re respected before this game. Ranked and ready to play anyone.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 19, 2022 10:41:53 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff.
I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers.
By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament.
Last night's result should be no surprise.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 19, 2022 11:33:19 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. I'd be interested in seeing a similar ranking of the Zag pitchers we faced last night. Looks to me all three coming into the game had very limited action, less than 10 innings each on the season. Listening only to the game, the Zags came through pretty loud and clear early in the game. The energy and noise coming from their dugout was pretty noticeable over the radio. They were clearly more fired up for the game from that measure. Did that have something to do with our uncharacteristic mistakes and lack of scoring after the first couple innings? Hopefully last night will serve as a good learning experience and benefit us in the future. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 19, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. THe number of pitchers used is highly dependent on several factors and seeing that OSU is 10-5 in conference play, and (14) pitchers have seen some action in those games (11 making more than one appearance, 10 making 4 or more) some of theses pitchers will be needed. Again in Pac12 tourney double elimination and regional play it is highly more likely if you happen to play through the loser's bracket. If you can consistently get 6-7+ from Cooper and Kmatz it is a double edged sword... lessens the use of the pen, but adds to their IP. I never underestimate fatigue with power pitchers in terms of effectiveness and stress injuries. Cooper is already at 54.2 IP, the most he's tossed at OSU is 77. With five Pac12 series left he'll be will over that by the Pac12 tourney. Kmatz is at 43.1 as a true Frosh and averages about 5 IP/start, will be over 70. With a solid build he'll likely weather that many innings well. But, college ball is much different than HS or summer ball and kids all react differently. See OSU's last true Frosh power pitcher that exceeded 80 IP. Pfennings has only 8.2 IP in 3 games, but the nature of his injury is unknown. Musculature (spasms, strain, etc) or structural (disc or alignment, etc) will determine if it will be more a recurring problem or pretty much in the rearview mirror. But, in the remaining series how much can he truly be counted on to burn innings? Of the remaining, only Sebby (14 app)), Ferrer (11 app), Lattery (9 app) have shown any solid consistency. Hence, these games vs LBSt and the Zags I was hoping to see some (vast) improvements in terms of staff OSU could start truly depending on when games start to really matter. IMHO that has not happened. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 19, 2022 11:59:54 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. I'd be interested in seeing a similar ranking of the Zag pitchers we faced last night. Looks to me all three coming into the game had very limited action, less than 10 innings each on the season. Listening only to the game, the Zags came through pretty loud and clear early in the game. The energy and noise coming from their dugout was pretty noticeable over the radio. They were clearly more fired up for the game from that measure. Did that have something to do with our uncharacteristic mistakes and lack of scoring after the first couple innings? Hopefully last night will serve as a good learning experience and benefit us in the future. I think Dorman was too slow to pull Hunter, while the Zags were not. I hope Dorman learned something valuable about Hunter and the others last night because it was an expensive lesson. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 19, 2022 12:08:19 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. spot on with the ranking. My concern is you could take the beavers # 8 thru # 19, throw them in a hat and draw them out and not be able to tell the difference. Which makes lots of games in a short period of time (regional) problematic |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 19, 2022 12:22:41 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. spot on with the ranking. My concern is you could take the beavers # 8 thru # 19, throw them in a hat and draw them out and not be able to tell the difference. Which makes lots of games in a short period of time (regional) problematic Agreed. I'm not gonna panic about last night. In fact, I think it's good for teams to be humbled. Key is how they respond tonight. But facts are facts......the back half of our staff has had some bad outings this season. I hope they take the experience and learn. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 19, 2022 12:23:03 GMT -8
I'd be interested in seeing a similar ranking of the Zag pitchers we faced last night. Looks to me all three coming into the game had very limited action, less than 10 innings each on the season. Listening only to the game, the Zags came through pretty loud and clear early in the game. The energy and noise coming from their dugout was pretty noticeable over the radio. They were clearly more fired up for the game from that measure. Did that have something to do with our uncharacteristic mistakes and lack of scoring after the first couple innings? Hopefully last night will serve as a good learning experience and benefit us in the future. I think Dorman was too slow to pull Hunter, while the Zags were not. I hope Dorman learned something valuable about Hunter and the others last night because it was an expensive lesson. Depending on your choice of ranking pitchers the Zag hurlers (out of 16 overall, 14 of those actually qualifying with 1 IP/game): #12, 11, 9 in ERA #9, 11, 8 in Innings #11, 7, 5 in WHIP They simply played better than OSU last night and did not give up 15 free passes + 4 HBP like they did in the games in Surprise. The first reliever, Rutherford walked 6 in 2 IP in AZ. They were not a ranked worthy team in AZ, they were last night. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 19, 2022 13:03:01 GMT -8
I expect a different outcome tonight.
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 19, 2022 13:26:42 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. Hunter was not effective, but he has pitched decently the last few weeks. Beavers obviously hoped for 4 or 5 innings before the top relievers. Didn’t work. The fact that Lattery has been sick also may have impacted the rotation. Melton was obviously still ailing as Boyd talked enough with the 2B umpire between innings to be on a first name basis. So if Lattery is limited, trying to get a couple more innings out of Hunter made sense. |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 19, 2022 14:27:43 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. THe number of pitchers used is highly dependent on several factors and seeing that OSU is 10-5 in conference play, and (14) pitchers have seen some action in those games (11 making more than one appearance, 10 making 4 or more) some of theses pitchers will be needed. Again in Pac12 tourney double elimination and regional play it is highly more likely if you happen to play through the loser's bracket. If you can consistently get 6-7+ from Cooper and Kmatz it is a double edged sword... lessens the use of the pen, but adds to their IP. I never underestimate fatigue with power pitchers in terms of effectiveness and stress injuries. Cooper is already at 54.2 IP, the most he's tossed at OSU is 77. With five Pac12 series left he'll be will over that by the Pac12 tourney. Kmatz is at 43.1 as a true Frosh and averages about 5 IP/start, will be over 70. With a solid build he'll likely weather that many innings well. But, college ball is much different than HS or summer ball and kids all react differently. See OSU's last true Frosh power pitcher that exceeded 80 IP. Pfennings has only 8.2 IP in 3 games, but the nature of his injury is unknown. Musculature (spasms, strain, etc) or structural (disc or alignment, etc) will determine if it will be more a recurring problem or pretty much in the rearview mirror. But, in the remaining series how much can he truly be counted on to burn innings? Of the remaining, only Sebby (14 app)), Ferrer (11 app), Lattery (9 app) have shown any solid consistency. Hence, these games vs LBSt and the Zags I was hoping to see some (vast) improvements in terms of staff OSU could start truly depending on when games start to really matter. IMHO that has not happened. My orange colored glasses see Brown being added to the above list of "have shown any solid consistency". In his last 5 outings, totaling 5-1/3 innings, Brown has given up 3 hits (all singles), 1 BB, 0 ER and struckout 5. |
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Post by jdogge on Apr 19, 2022 14:46:03 GMT -8
I just did an "imho" ranking of all 18 active pitchers on the Beavers staff. I won't bore you with the rankings, but it was a serious undertaking, and it did not differentiate between starters / relievers / closers. By my analysis, the Beavers used their 9th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th best pitchers last night. In other words, even in the compressed atmosphere of Omaha, should the Beavers appear there, it's quite possible that none, or maybe one, of the arms used last night would even throw a pitch. It's also unlikely that they'll take the mound in the PAC-12 Tournament. Last night's result should be no surprise. THe number of pitchers used is highly dependent on several factors and seeing that OSU is 10-5 in conference play, and (14) pitchers have seen some action in those games (11 making more than one appearance, 10 making 4 or more) some of theses pitchers will be needed. Again in Pac12 tourney double elimination and regional play it is highly more likely if you happen to play through the loser's bracket. If you can consistently get 6-7+ from Cooper and Kmatz it is a double edged sword... lessens the use of the pen, but adds to their IP. I never underestimate fatigue with power pitchers in terms of effectiveness and stress injuries. Cooper is already at 54.2 IP, the most he's tossed at OSU is 77. With five Pac12 series left he'll be will over that by the Pac12 tourney. Kmatz is at 43.1 as a true Frosh and averages about 5 IP/start, will be over 70. With a solid build he'll likely weather that many innings well. But, college ball is much different than HS or summer ball and kids all react differently. See OSU's last true Frosh power pitcher that exceeded 80 IP. Pfennings has only 8.2 IP in 3 games, but the nature of his injury is unknown. Musculature (spasms, strain, etc) or structural (disc or alignment, etc) will determine if it will be more a recurring problem or pretty much in the rearview mirror. But, in the remaining series how much can he truly be counted on to burn innings? Of the remaining, only Sebby (14 app)), Ferrer (11 app), Lattery (9 app) have shown any solid consistency. Hence, these games vs LBSt and the Zags I was hoping to see some (vast) improvements in terms of staff OSU could start truly depending on when games start to really matter. IMHO that has not happened. So, for Hjerpe, after 92 innings his risk of a TJ surgery. This was something MLBTradeRumors followed. Recently, one paper concluded that "pitching mechanics and pitch velocity both play significant roles in the stresses placed on the elbow during the pitching motion." So, others re going to need to step up. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 19, 2022 18:08:14 GMT -8
Seems we have a problem with down staff…. Hmmmmm ….
Helllooooo Dorman
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