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Post by skyrider on Apr 6, 2022 8:19:23 GMT -8
Are there likely to be effects (possible defections) on the players that are coming in to the program for the coming year?
In other words is it possible that some of the signed freshman would back out because they perceive the team is diminishing in quality or that the Coaches are too tough on the players or whatever?
I believe that new players could back out of their athletic scholarship agreement pretty much up to the last minute. Is that correct?
Also I believe that it would probably be a good idea, at least for awhile, to not bring up "the we are family" theme!
Look forward to hearing from our members on this topic.
Thank you!
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 6, 2022 8:30:20 GMT -8
Are there likely to be effects (possible defections) on the players that are coming in to the program for the coming year?
In other words is it possible that some of the signed freshman would back out because they perceive the team is diminishing in quality or that the Coaches are too tough on the players or whatever?
I believe that new players could back out of their athletic scholarship agreement pretty much up to the last minute. Is that correct?
Also I believe that it would probably be a good idea, at least for awhile, to not bring up "the we are family" theme!
Look forward to hearing from our members on this topic.
Thank you!
No. Once they have signed, they would have to enter the transfer portal and use up their one free transfer.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 6, 2022 8:34:07 GMT -8
Families have issues too. And when people leave the family or break up from the family, what do you do? Lean into it or give up? I say lean into it.
I think Talia's tweet, while unnecessary and driven by a little bit of "hey, look at me!", helps the new recruits see that OSU is still a good place to be. Talia is probably the undisputed team leader now (unless Taya somehow comes back) and the defections open up the opportunity for more playing time for the incoming frosh.
We want student/athletes in Corvallis that WANT to be Beavers, that want to "cut nets," that have the fortitude to overcome adversity and fight. The folks that have left are the opposite. Bye, see ya. Thanks for the memories, but don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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Post by skyrider on Apr 6, 2022 8:46:47 GMT -8
Thank you "The Glove" and "Judge Smalls" for your valuable observations. Do you believe that Coach Rueck is following the right course of action by not having any comment or explanation when these transfers occur?
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Post by hoopheritic on Apr 6, 2022 9:02:12 GMT -8
Thank you "The Glove" and "Judge Smalls" for your valuable observations. Do you believe that Coach Rueck is following the right course of action by not having any comment or explanation when these transfers occur? FTFY Do you believe that Coach Rueck is following the right course of action by not having any PUBLIC comment or explanation when these transfers occur?
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 6, 2022 9:08:56 GMT -8
Thank you "The Glove" and "Judge Smalls" for your valuable observations. Do you believe that Coach Rueck is following the right course of action by not having any comment or explanation when these transfers occur? My guess is that at some point the coach will comment on the roster turnover during the next press conference, but I don't expect much insight or individual details from him. Just some coach speak about the players that are actually committed to OSU..."we're really happy with where we are"..." the team has been working harder than ever this off-season"..."we're continually trying to improve"...etc. What's the benefit to him, the team, and the university that comes from making public comments/explanations on these departures? Airing dirty laundry? Making the departees look bad? Nope. It might satisfy some fan curiosity, but more likely to do harm than good. I assume that the coaching staff and team members are having both group and individual discussions, and at the end of the season they're doing "exit" interview type meetings with all the players. How'd it go? What do we need to change? What do I need to work on? How can we get better?
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 6, 2022 9:32:09 GMT -8
Are there likely to be effects (possible defections) on the players that are coming in to the program for the coming year?
In other words is it possible that some of the signed freshman would back out because they perceive the team is diminishing in quality or that the Coaches are too tough on the players or whatever?
I believe that new players could back out of their athletic scholarship agreement pretty much up to the last minute. Is that correct?
Also I believe that it would probably be a good idea, at least for awhile, to not bring up "the we are family" theme!
Look forward to hearing from our members on this topic.
Thank you!
In addition to the answer above a signee can ask for a complete release from the school. The school can grant it, or refuse. If a school refuses the player/family can then appeal it to the NCAA/NLI committee. The committee can then hear evidence from the family on why a release should be granted. Family "situation" changing seems to be the biggest automatic "yes". I've never really paid much attention or heard of many of these cases as why would a school want to keep someone who doesn't want to be there?? The school is not part of the NLI appeal. Of course, if the school does grant a release the athlete is then free to sign another NLI with any other D1 or below NLI school. I believe another option is to simply state the intention of attending a none NLI school... smaller division (DIII or JC would both qualify... I think??)... for at least one season.
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Post by scottybooks on Apr 6, 2022 9:46:03 GMT -8
"Effect on incoming recruits?" Playing time, baby, playing time.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 6, 2022 9:55:01 GMT -8
I think we tend to want to think this is a Beaver issue or a Scott Rueck issue. According to Nick Daschel there are currently 185 WBB players from P-5 programs in the transfer portal right now. We aren't even in the top half of the P12 in terms of defections. This is the new era of college sports like it or not (mostly not - except of course when it's a good incoming transfer). There are some extreme cases out there at the moment. LSU men have zero scholarship players on the roster right now (coach firing + investigation). Minnesota women have 3 scholarship players on their roster right now. www.thedailygopher.com/2022/4/1/23007101/minnesota-womens-basketball-transfers-wreak-havoc-on-gophers-roster-loindsay-whalen-sara-scalia
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 6, 2022 10:17:03 GMT -8
I think we tend to want to think this is a Beaver issue or a Scott Rueck issue. According to Nick Daschel there are currently 185 WBB players from P-5 programs in the transfer portal right now. We aren't even in the top half of the P12 in terms of defections. This is the new era of college sports like it or not (mostly not - except of course when it's a good incoming transfer). There are some extreme cases out there at the moment. LSU men have zero scholarship players on the roster right now (coach firing + investigation). Minnesota women have 3 scholarship players on their roster right now. www.thedailygopher.com/2022/4/1/23007101/minnesota-womens-basketball-transfers-wreak-havoc-on-gophers-roster-loindsay-whalen-sara-scaliaNice article on the Gophers. Thanks for posting. This is a problem all over the country. This statement from the article "This is not a call for Lindsay Whalen’s head. But she needs to start showing that her staff can do player development and retain them in a hurry." holds true for many programs, including Oregon State. As much as Scott has pushed "We are family" it hasn't worked that well the last couple years. The program has suffered major staff and player defections. This is just another added task for the staff....do what it takes (without breaking rules) to retain top players. I mentioned this in another thread, but this is the way it is in the business world today was well. It's tough enough to find qualified candidates to work for you and maintaining a culture that makes employees want to stay is just as important these days.....and you are still going to lose some, and so is Oregon State WBB. There are always reasons to leave, so the battle is to give them few reasons to leave and many reasons to want to stay. Good luck with that SR and staff
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 6, 2022 10:51:20 GMT -8
Well, another way to look at it is, with several players leaving, there should be more immediate playing time available to the new recruits. Isn't that a positive?
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 6, 2022 11:44:09 GMT -8
Families have issues too. And when people leave the family or break up from the family, what do you do? Lean into it or give up? I say lean into it. I think Talia's tweet, while unnecessary and driven by a little bit of "hey, look at me!", helps the new recruits see that OSU is still a good place to be. Talia is probably the undisputed team leader now (unless Taya somehow comes back) and the defections open up the opportunity for more playing time for the incoming frosh. We want student/athletes in Corvallis that WANT to be Beavers, that want to "cut nets," that have the fortitude to overcome adversity and fight. The folks that have left are the opposite. Bye, see ya. Thanks for the memories, but don't let the door hit ya on the way out. I would tend to view Talia's tweet as a team leader stepping up to try to do what she can prop up the program, but who knows? Your reading of it could be the correct one - but mine tends to provide a warm fuzzy feeling. Talia's tweet restores some of my positive attitude toward the team, and makes me want to continue supporting them - and her. Other than that, I agree 100% with what you have said.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 6, 2022 12:32:34 GMT -8
I think Talia got tired of being asked what she planned to do all the time and just took a pre-emptive strike to stop all the noise.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 6, 2022 15:05:58 GMT -8
I think we tend to want to think this is a Beaver issue or a Scott Rueck issue. According to Nick Daschel there are currently 185 WBB players from P-5 programs in the transfer portal right now. We aren't even in the top half of the P12 in terms of defections. This is the new era of college sports like it or not (mostly not - except of course when it's a good incoming transfer). There are some extreme cases out there at the moment. LSU men have zero scholarship players on the roster right now (coach firing + investigation). Minnesota women have 3 scholarship players on their roster right now. www.thedailygopher.com/2022/4/1/23007101/minnesota-womens-basketball-transfers-wreak-havoc-on-gophers-roster-loindsay-whalen-sara-scaliaNice article on the Gophers. Thanks for posting. This is a problem all over the country. This statement from the article "This is not a call for Lindsay Whalen’s head. But she needs to start showing that her staff can do player development and retain them in a hurry." holds true for many programs, including Oregon State. As much as Scott has pushed "We are family" it hasn't worked that well the last couple years. The program has suffered major staff and player defections. This is just another added task for the staff....do what it takes (without breaking rules) to retain top players. I mentioned this in another thread, but this is the way it is in the business world today was well. It's tough enough to find qualified candidates to work for you and maintaining a culture that makes employees want to stay is just as important these days.....and you are still going to lose some, and so is Oregon State WBB. There are always reasons to leave, so the battle is to give them few reasons to leave and many reasons to want to stay. Good luck with that SR and staff Having staff move on is a complement to Rueck. No one is going to hire anyone from a failing program. And past players moving on I can completely understand from the point of sickness of various sorts, graduate needs etc. The thing I don't understand is 3 of the returning starters deciding to leave. For the people who are talking about how all of these people are entering the portal so it's no big whoop. Those are almost all bench warmers hoping for greater chance at starting somewhere else. Three starters leaving is NOT good as to the state of the program. And this is NOT the norm for teams across the country. Any other team and I'd say it was a sign of a program falling apart. Can we say it isn't for OSU?
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 6, 2022 15:55:45 GMT -8
Nice article on the Gophers. Thanks for posting. This is a problem all over the country. This statement from the article "This is not a call for Lindsay Whalen’s head. But she needs to start showing that her staff can do player development and retain them in a hurry." holds true for many programs, including Oregon State. As much as Scott has pushed "We are family" it hasn't worked that well the last couple years. The program has suffered major staff and player defections. This is just another added task for the staff....do what it takes (without breaking rules) to retain top players. I mentioned this in another thread, but this is the way it is in the business world today was well. It's tough enough to find qualified candidates to work for you and maintaining a culture that makes employees want to stay is just as important these days.....and you are still going to lose some, and so is Oregon State WBB. There are always reasons to leave, so the battle is to give them few reasons to leave and many reasons to want to stay. Good luck with that SR and staff Having staff move on is a complement to Rueck. No one is going to hire anyone from a failing program. And past players moving on I can completely understand from the point of sickness of various sorts, graduate needs etc. The thing I don't understand is 3 of the returning starters deciding to leave. For the people who are talking about how all of these people are entering the portal so it's no big whoop. Those are almost all bench warmers hoping for greater chance at starting somewhere else. Three starters leaving is NOT good as to the state of the program. And this is NOT the norm for teams across the country. Any other team and I'd say it was a sign of a program falling apart. Can we say it isn't for OSU? 3 returning starters? Sure, all have started games, but none of them started a single game in the postseason. None of them were even likely starters next year IMO. Taylor isn’t starting next year either is she doesn’t get healthy. And even then she is going to be pushed by the incoming frosh. Kennedy you as even in a worse spot to start at the 4 than Jones. She’d have a good shot to start at the 5 again, but didn’t want to. Greta got buried in the bench in the postseason, as she simply wasn’t earning minutes, let alone being a starter. She was either going to get a lot better or more likely be on the bench again to frosh and transfers, as her spot has to have improved play next year.
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