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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 10, 2022 4:06:36 GMT -8
Do you recall either Kat Tudor or Maddie Washington? Both were upperclassman whose starting spots were taken by more talented underclassmen. Jones obviously would have started had she been healthy. Jelena has made some nice strides and I'm hopeful for a huge off-season, but I don't think she could have caught Jones and even if she did I'm not sure Rueck would start her. I posted during the season that if either Raegan or Timea were near advertised, Kennedy would have a hard time finding minutes. Great passer and defender, but smart teams (Stanford, Washington, etc.) let her shoot from beyond the foul line all day, which was what she wanted to do. At guard, Talia was locked in to start, we hoped a transfer point guard was locked in to start, which left Greta or AJ at the three. After it becoming clear that Talia was a two and not a one, it became pretty likely that either Greta or AJ would leave at some point. Kat Tudor got hurt and never really got back to 100% until her time was up. And Maddie took over for whoever was hurt, but was never a starter except temporarily. Kat lost her starting spot to Destiny before she was injured. Maddie started 19 of the 32 games she played in as a junior in 19-20. She then lost her starting spot to Taylor Jones, but reentered the starting lineup after Kennedy tore her ACL.
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Post by sparty on Apr 10, 2022 6:00:45 GMT -8
beaveragain wrote: Having staff move on is a complement to Rueck. No one is going to hire anyone from a failing program.
And past players moving on I can completely understand from the point of sickness of various sorts, graduate needs etc.
The thing I don't understand is 3 of the returning starters deciding to leave.
For the people who are talking about how all of these people are entering the portal so it's no big whoop. Those are almost all bench warmers hoping for greater chance at starting somewhere else. Three starters leaving is NOT good as to the state of the program. And this is NOT the norm for teams across the country. Any other team and I'd say it was a sign of a program falling apart. Can we say it isn't for OSU?
The above is an extremely astute observation. How many other power conference teams that have a long term successful coach, a reasonably successful season, and a history of not losing many players to transfer find themselves in the position of losing 2 full time starters, and the highest rated recruit that they have had for the past few years. It would appear that his conclusion (I'd say it was a sign of a program falling apart) has some merit. How about a rebuttal from those of you who would support his final sentence "Can we say it isn't(a sign of a program falling apart for OSU).
I don't think Scott is going to change or redefines himself because the world of college sports is changing. I think at this point he has decided to stay the course and let the chips fall.
And I don't see it in just basketball. As far as coaches commenting, they have long moved on before the fans will do. I expect this conversation to be hashed over thousands of time into the mid season next year. Mourn for a week or so then move on.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 10, 2022 12:04:18 GMT -8
Kat Tudor got hurt and never really got back to 100% until her time was up. And Maddie took over for whoever was hurt, but was never a starter except temporarily. Kat lost her starting spot to Destiny before she was injured. Maddie started 19 of the 32 games she played in as a junior in 19-20. She then lost her starting spot to Taylor Jones, but reentered the starting lineup after Kennedy tore her ACL. Kat started the first game and then Rueck tried her at coming off the bench, she was fine with it and it worked out well. So yes, despite playing the same amount of minutes, Kat lost her starting position. And on Maddie, I think you are being silly.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 10, 2022 12:22:11 GMT -8
Kat lost her starting spot to Destiny before she was injured. Maddie started 19 of the 32 games she played in as a junior in 19-20. She then lost her starting spot to Taylor Jones, but reentered the starting lineup after Kennedy tore her ACL. Kat started the first game and then Rueck tried her at coming off the bench, she was fine with it and it worked out well. So yes, despite playing the same amount of minutes, Kat lost her starting position. And on Maddie, I think you are being silly. Never said it didn’t work, simply pointed out that Kat was an example of a returning starter not starting the following season. And, although she didn’t play the whole season, her MPG were down about seven minutes from the year before, so she was not playing the same minutes. In what way is Maddie starting the majority of one season and then not starting the next season (until in injury occurred) not adequate in proving your statement to be incorrect?
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 10, 2022 12:51:19 GMT -8
Kat started the first game and then Rueck tried her at coming off the bench, she was fine with it and it worked out well. So yes, despite playing the same amount of minutes, Kat lost her starting position. And on Maddie, I think you are being silly. Never said it didn’t work, simply pointed out that Kat was an example of a returning starter not starting the following season. And, although she didn’t play the whole season, her MPG were down about seven minutes from the year before, so she was not playing the same minutes. In what way is Maddie starting the majority of one season and then not starting the next season (until in injury occurred) not adequate in proving your statement to be incorrect? Because Maddie only started when Jo wasn't in shape enough to play the minutes, and then when she got hurt. Yes, Maddie started when Jo couldn't put in the minutes. Is that really what I was talking about? You feel you have proven me wrong. I don't think you really have. I think we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 10, 2022 14:09:16 GMT -8
Never said it didn’t work, simply pointed out that Kat was an example of a returning starter not starting the following season. And, although she didn’t play the whole season, her MPG were down about seven minutes from the year before, so she was not playing the same minutes. In what way is Maddie starting the majority of one season and then not starting the next season (until in injury occurred) not adequate in proving your statement to be incorrect? Because Maddie only started when Jo wasn't in shape enough to play the minutes, and then when she got hurt. Yes, Maddie started when Jo couldn't put in the minutes. Is that really what I was talking about? You feel you have proven me wrong. I don't think you really have. I think we will have to agree to disagree. Your original premise seems to be that once someone starts for Rueck, they can’t be beaten out of that spot. While Rueck may be more loyal than other coaches to starters, this premise clearly isn’t correct - we saw starting lineups change frequently all season long this last year. Nobody is guaranteed a starting spot - and 2 of the 4 players that left experiences that this year specifically. You can argue that KB and GK didn’t start in the postseason because Rueck knew they were leaving, but if that’s was the case, why were they playing better without them starting? And why was Taya playing, who clearly was also leaving? Sometimes the reason simply is the obvious one - those that started were playing the best.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 10, 2022 14:46:57 GMT -8
Because Maddie only started when Jo wasn't in shape enough to play the minutes, and then when she got hurt. Yes, Maddie started when Jo couldn't put in the minutes. Is that really what I was talking about? You feel you have proven me wrong. I don't think you really have. I think we will have to agree to disagree. Your original premise seems to be that once someone starts for Rueck, they can’t be beaten out of that spot. While Rueck may be more loyal than other coaches to starters, this premise clearly isn’t correct - we saw starting lineups change frequently all season long this last year. Nobody is guaranteed a starting spot - and 2 of the 4 players that left experiences that this year specifically. You can argue that KB and GK didn’t start in the postseason because Rueck knew they were leaving, but if that’s was the case, why were they playing better without them starting? And why was Taya playing, who clearly was also leaving? Sometimes the reason simply is the obvious one - those that started were playing the best. There is a whole lot there, but I'm losing interest on going on about this as it's becoming about definitions. I'll just say that dropping Greta and starting Mack is what I thought would help the team the most all season. So finally doing it in the post season seems to be Rueck's acknowledging that his loyalty/hope for Greta was over with.
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