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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 20:28:44 GMT -8
Personally, I think we have more depth this year in the bullpen than in recent memory. Bullpen hasn’t hurt us much, really. I agree. Fabulous, shutdown future MLB dudes? Not really. Solid, reliable strike throwers that get outs? Absolutely. Not sure about that. Maybe we’ll see growth in that area. What I like is: No games with more than one wild pitch. No games with more than one home run allowed. The greatest number of walks we’ve given up in a game is 5. We’ve had two games with 3 hit batters. So we’ve made a lot of progress from last year. Ferrer has a WHIP of .66 and an ERA 1.32. Sebby has a WHIP of .97…(probably improving after tonight’s performance). Carpenter has worked 9 innings and has struck out 12. Sure he had a poor outing, but that’s baseball. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:29:11 GMT -8
Well with that attitude you can’t make any ridiculous statement true with data manipulation. Don’t be such a downer mate. WTF? Can't make true? Lol Pointing out hyperbole isn't being a downer. Lol Just a bit of statistics cherry picking humor. I’m actually curious so I will take a look and see if I’m a idiot on this point or not. I’ll get back in a few days as I pathetically analyze division one bullpen history compared to OSU average over the last 15 years. I think you win no matter as this is going to be a huge pain in the ass since baseball data is garbage and you have to look in a million places. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2022 20:33:17 GMT -8
WTF? Can't make true? Lol Pointing out hyperbole isn't being a downer. Lol Just a bit of statistics cherry picking humor. I’m actually curious so I will take a look and see if I’m a idiot on this point or not. I’ll get back in a few days as I pathetically analyze division one bullpen history compared to OSU average over the last 15 years. I think you win no matter as this is going to be a huge pain in the ass since baseball data is garbage and you have to look in a million places. Not really, the words "better than most... ever" defeats the need for any search. It was enthusiastic hyperbole. Don't waste your time! |
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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 20:36:49 GMT -8
You guys are crazy fighting about how bad you think the bullpen is this year.
I think I need to remind you, as you look back through the data, that we lost 2 prime pitchers, Frisch and Pfennigs. So naturally, our pitching staff is being taxed. But we’ve found Kmatz is ready and maybe Ferrer.
What other team could do that so seamlessly?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:42:49 GMT -8
You guys are crazy fighting about how bad you think the bullpen is this year. I think I need to remind you, as you look back through the data, that we lost 2 prime pitchers, Frisch and Pfennigs. So naturally, our pitching staff is being taxed. But we’ve found Kmatz is ready and maybe Ferrer. What other team could do that so seamlessly? Not many over time thats for sure, maybe some of the perennial tournament monsters. I think its extremely impressive that we haven't lost a single series despite losing two of our best returners. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:45:41 GMT -8
Just a bit of statistics cherry picking humor. I’m actually curious so I will take a look and see if I’m a idiot on this point or not. I’ll get back in a few days as I pathetically analyze division one bullpen history compared to OSU average over the last 15 years. I think you win no matter as this is going to be a huge pain in the ass since baseball data is garbage and you have to look in a million places. Not really, the words "better than most... ever" defeats the need for any search. It was enthusiastic hyperbole. Don't waste your time! I appreciate the concern but once I am curious its over, I have to give it a go. Its really not that bad if I only consider a top stat like ERA. Just find as much data as I can on each D1 team and pull the best ERA year then determine the "average" year for the beavs over the last 15. People not taking responsibility for hyperbole is a big issue in society and if proven wrong I will gladly admit the fault in my drunken judgement on this fine forum. Stick to your principles boys. |
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Post by fishbeav on Mar 25, 2022 20:49:06 GMT -8
Will someone explain to me what the term WHIP stands for?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:49:25 GMT -8
Gotta say Townsend is surprisingly effective as a closer tonight. 5 BF, 13 pitches and game wrapped. That's very efficient.
I definitely never would have picked him out as a closer but I kind of want to see how he can do again.
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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 20:50:23 GMT -8
You guys are crazy fighting about how bad you think the bullpen is this year. I think I need to remind you, as you look back through the data, that we lost 2 prime pitchers, Frisch and Pfennigs. So naturally, our pitching staff is being taxed. But we’ve found Kmatz is ready and maybe Ferrer. What other team could do that so seamlessly? Not many over time thats for sure, maybe some of the perennial tournament monsters. I think its extremely impressive that we haven't lost a single series despite losing two of our best returners. And a couple of those losses belong to the hitters, not the pitchers. And our pitching staff in 2018 had its own set of weaknesses. Luke pitched poorly down the stretch. Did he even win a game in Omaha? Or the Supers? And we needed Abel to save game 2 and pitch the whole damned game 3. If our pitching staff was so much better than this year’s, why did that happen? I really like what we have now. I see a ton of potential and a lot of wins. I see a lot of good arms that can protect leads or give relief. Sure, we don’t have a strong closer, yet, but the season is still young and we haven’t needed one often. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:51:46 GMT -8
Will someone explain to me what the term WHIP stands for? Its a combined stats of walks and hits combined per inning. It tells you the average guys allowed on base per inning. Its an interesting stat because a strike out pitcher with a high WHIP is a disaster but a contact guy with a high WHIP is pretty normal. You really have to look at it in context of what kind of pitcher they are. WHIP/ERA is an obscure state but can also give you an idea of how effective a guy is at cleaning up messes. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 20:52:26 GMT -8
Will someone explain to me what the term WHIP stands for? Walks and Hits Per Inning Pitched Baseball stat-lover friend of mine told me long ago that it’s the key. ERA is important but WHIP shows how the pitcher is really doing. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 20:53:19 GMT -8
Not many over time thats for sure, maybe some of the perennial tournament monsters. I think its extremely impressive that we haven't lost a single series despite losing two of our best returners. And a couple of those losses belong to the hitters, not the pitchers. And our pitching staff in 2018 had its own set of weaknesses. Luke pitched poorly down the stretch. Did he even win a game in Omaha? Or the Supers? And we needed Abel to save game 2 and pitch the whole damned game 3. If our pitching staff was so much better than this year’s, why did that happen? I really like what we have now. I see a ton of potential and a lot of wins. I see a lot of good arms that can protect leads or give relief. Sure, we don’t have a strong closer, yet, but the season is still young and we haven’t needed one often. Thats a good point on 2018. We had some serious horses (Abel absolute legendary unit in that run) but the backup wasn't always there. |
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Post by 56chevy on Mar 25, 2022 21:00:04 GMT -8
Eisert and Chamberlain.
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Post by 56chevy on Mar 25, 2022 21:03:59 GMT -8
Oh...and one more thing, can't we all get along? While we are at it, let's try being nice to each other. Just got through a 2 year pandemic, gas is 5 bucks a gallon and we look to be on the verge of WWIII. The Beavs just won game 1 of a series against respectable pac 12 opponent.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2022 21:19:02 GMT -8
Will someone explain to me what the term WHIP stands for? Its a combined stats of walks and hits combined per inning. It tells you the average guys allowed on base per inning. Its an interesting stat because a strike out pitcher with a high WHIP is a disaster but a contact guy with a high WHIP is pretty normal. You really have to look at it in context of what kind of pitcher they are. WHIP/ERA is an obscure state but can also give you an idea of how effective a guy is at cleaning up messes. WHIP and ERA are stats that are typically shown. Include FIP and you have a better overall look at a pitcher's effectiveness despite the quality of the defense behind them. The issues of the first two with relievers they inherit runners. So, it's just not the walks, hits they allow (WHIP), or runs (ERA) as they may not be attributed to them. FIP... Fielding Independent Pitching is a variation of ERA meant to more accurately represent a pitcher's performance independent of the quality of the defense. FIP uses innings pitched, home runs, strikeouts, and walks. The formula: 13*HR + 3*BB - 2*K + 3.10 = FIP The coefficients (13, 3, 2) are determined using league (MLB) averages of BABIP, or batting average on balls in play. The 3.10 is added to make the number look similar to an ERA so comparison is easy. No idea if FIP us used in college ball since BABIP would be more difficult to calculate for 300 "ish" teams! |
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