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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 22, 2022 18:52:27 GMT -8
Thought this might be an interesting comparison.
| Games Played | Games Started | Min | FG% | FT% | Reb | Reb/Game | Assists | TO | Blocks | Points | Points/Game | | Ruth Hamblin 2012-13 | 20 | 0 | 363 | .500 | .439 | 82 | 2.9 | 0 | 21 | 32 | 122 | 4.4 | | Jelena M 2021-22* | 29 | 2 | 341 | .438 | .641 | 133 | 4.6 | 15 | 31 | 20 | 138 | 4.8 |
Make of it what you will. Interesting that Ruth had 21 turnovers in 20 games played. Jelena has 31 turnovers in 29 games played. Bottom line, I am bullish on Jelena's emergence as a difference-maker for OSU WBB. Yes, her game is a work in progress - but I like how its progressing. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 22, 2022 19:01:51 GMT -8
Thanks for putting this info together and sharing. I have seen improvements in Jelena's game and am hopeful that it continues. I have no reason to believe that it won't.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 22, 2022 19:06:31 GMT -8
For both being Post players, I think their games are quite different, but I hope Jelena's progress continues just as Ruth's did. She's already proving she can help this team, and I had my doubts when she first arrived.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 22, 2022 19:48:59 GMT -8
So...what about Mitrovic playing 20 games last year, and her stats this season being almost identical to '20-'21? And it's her third year in the program. I just don't see how to arrive at the conclusion that her development is on the same trajectory as Hamblin's was. Should be comparing her to Hamblin's soph year.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 22, 2022 19:55:34 GMT -8
I think the stat I like the best is the lack of dread when she's on the court. Her interview with Ron after Sunday's game is spot on - she's more aggressive and confident and it shows.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 22, 2022 20:29:58 GMT -8
So...what about Mitrovic playing 20 games last year, and her stats this season being almost identical to '20-'21? And it's her third year in the program. I just don't see how to arrive at the conclusion that her development is on the same trajectory as Hamblin's was. Should be comparing her to Hamblin's soph year. What about it? She's a freshman this year with 3 more seasons of eligibility. I've offered up my own comparison. If you want to make your own table, be my guest. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 22, 2022 20:31:58 GMT -8
I think the stat I like the best is the lack of dread when she's on the court. Her interview with Ron after Sunday's game is spot on - she's more aggressive and confident and it shows. The times she's been interviewed by Ron, I've been really impressed with her level-headedness and self-awareness. Not to mention, her command of English. I'm a Jelena fan. |
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Post by beavsteve on Mar 22, 2022 21:13:27 GMT -8
So...what about Mitrovic playing 20 games last year, and her stats this season being almost identical to '20-'21? And it's her third year in the program. I just don't see how to arrive at the conclusion that her development is on the same trajectory as Hamblin's was. Should be comparing her to Hamblin's soph year. She was still in recovery mode last year from her knee injury. It was only before this season that she was able to get back into shape. That was discussed in some pre-season or early-season interviews. Besides that, Hamblin didn't have her first season disrupted by a pandemic. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 22, 2022 21:14:11 GMT -8
Ruth was good on defense but her offense was not there as a freshman. She knew the angles but was slow with poor footwork.
The big jump in the team and her came between her sophomore and junior years. Ali talked the whole team to stay on campus for the summer and run their own practices. Something that was continued the next summer as well and we all know where that went.
This also coincided with Jeff Macy returning to OSU. The biggest change with Ruth was losing weight and gaining strength. The rest of the team benefitted from working with him as well. At the end of the season many of the players thanked him by name.
Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Ruth. She was an amazing ambassador for the program. After every home game you can bet that she would be on the court lifting kids up to a height they had never seen before.
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Post by collegiate on Mar 22, 2022 21:50:55 GMT -8
Thanks for the interesting comparison. I believe Jelena is going to be a force. Not all world, but a really impactful player. If she uses all of her eligibility, I think we’ll be saying ‘we’re really going to miss her’ at the end.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 22, 2022 21:52:57 GMT -8
I think Werebeaver's comparison is appropriate, since it compares the two at the same stage in their college careers - with 3 years left.
Ruth's freshman year was before my time, but I've known she was a 'project,' and Jelena would certainly fit into that category. Fortunately for her (and us), Jelena got an extra year of projectdom. She's visibly better this year than she was last year, but she's still not where I would say her project days are behind her. She still looks unsure on defense, her footwork is not there by any means, and she does not seem a 'natural' basketball player.
Having said that, she already brings some good things to the party. This summer's work should put her in a position to start to come into her own next season. When Taylor went down, point production from the post position plummeted. I can see Jelena averaging 9 or 10 next year, and Taylor 14 or 15. That 23 to 25 per game from the 5 spot would go a long way toward solving this year's offensive woes.
Also, and this can't be overstated, on those rare occasions when Taylor got in foul trouble (only happened in months that have an R in them), there was a big concern about a dropoff when she had to leave the game. I don't think that's going to be the case next year.
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Post by 411500 on Mar 23, 2022 10:14:47 GMT -8
I'm a Jelena fan also.
But Ruth and Jelena are two totally different basketball creatures.
In my 10 years following the Beavs I can think of no player who made as great a leap from 1st to 3rd year as Ruth. No one.
Basketball-wise, Ruth had excellent footwork - far beyond what Jelena has thus far shown. Ruth could elevate the ball well over her head on her shot, and she moved with quite a bit more speed in the paint than Jelena has thus far shown. Ruth ran the floor faster than Jelena and she covered short distances A to B much quicker than Jelena.
I believe Ruth was PAC Defensive POY of year.
Now, back to the beginning. I'm a big Jelena fan. Her progress has been impressive and she is smooth for a woman her size.
If she ever develops the skill set Ruth had in her 3rd year, I'll be happier than anyone on this board.
As of now, Jelena has not learned to elevate the ball arms length above her head, and she has not evidenced even a minimal hook shot. She's got a lot to offer, and she will help the Beavs next year. But for her game to ever approximate Ruth's she requires dramatic offensive improvement and considerable increase in her foot speed.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by lotrader on Mar 23, 2022 10:35:23 GMT -8
I noticed in the past 2 games that Jelena has not brought the ball down and kept it up above her head. Improvement is taking place now with Jelena. I believe Jelena has greater potential than Ruth. However, what will determine Jelena's progress is her continuous commitment to improve & Jelena believing in herself. Ruth's progress was truly amazing and hoping we see the same in Jelena going forward--I like what I'm seeing in this post season from Jelena.
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Post by jimbob on Mar 23, 2022 14:38:36 GMT -8
JM is improving but to take the next step in her game I think she needs to develop a little more urgency and toughness. She still just trots up and down the floor as compared to Taylor and KB who run up and down the floor. If JM gets bumped at all she is the one who ends up off-balance and missing the shot or fumbling the ball....when someone bumps or runs into TJ or KB they are the ones that go flying while TJ or KB make the shot or secure the rebound....which is why it's suprising to me that JM is now starting over KB. KB is much faster and tougher than JM and always gets back on defense quickly, and is a better defender overall....offensively I would rate them about equal. I guess JM's height adv. over KB does allow her to run into some rebounds and blocks that KB might not get and also allows her to snag some higher passes into the post that might be out of reach for KB. For me though until JM develops that urgency and toughness to her game I would still be starting KB at post until Taylor gets back.
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Post by willtalk on Mar 23, 2022 16:23:46 GMT -8
JM is improving but to take the next step in her game I think she needs to develop a little more urgency and toughness. She still just trots up and down the floor as compared to Taylor and KB who run up and down the floor. If JM gets bumped at all she is the one who ends up off-balance and missing the shot or fumbling the ball....when someone bumps or runs into TJ or KB they are the ones that go flying while TJ or KB make the shot or secure the rebound....which is why it's suprising to me that JM is now starting over KB. KB is much faster and tougher than JM and always gets back on defense quickly, and is a better defender overall....offensively I would rate them about equal. I guess JM's height adv. over KB does allow her to run into some rebounds and blocks that KB might not get and also allows her to snag some higher passes into the post that might be out of reach for KB. For me though until JM develops that urgency and toughness to her game I would still be starting KB at post until Taylor gets back. I would agree with your first sentence about her needed to be more assertive on the court. How ever some of the other things you point out are base on things she has shown or not shown in the past and not where she actually is. To start with-- You place entirely too much emphasis on who is starting. Who Scott starts has less to do with who he feels is better and is entirely based on the rotation he runs. KB has consistently gotten more than twice the minutes than JM. I can thing of a number of reason why he starts with JM that have nothing to do with their comparative abilities. In respect to you statements about her getting down court and getting pushed around. What counts is if she, or any other player gets back in time to take their place in the defensive set, not if they jog or run. Also we should adjust our perspectives to the present and not what we have witnessed in the past. From my perspective JM gets back on defense in plenty of time. As to being pushed around and knocked down. She did have a game early on where she ended up on the floor through contact, but that has not happened recently has it. In fact she keeps her position really well now as evidenced by her rebound numbers per minute. Someone her size being knocked to the floor is usually because the were caught off balance or had their center of gravity undercut. I also believe that her main problem was not caused by a lack of strength but timidity based on insecurity. Some of that was because she was getting very little foor time and when she made a mistake she was taken out. I remember one game where she was very aggressive and drove to the basket but in the process knocked her defender to the floor and was called for an O-foul. Scott took her right out even though she had just entered the game. That is not very contusive to promoting assertive play. What was and is now more evident is that she plays much better with more floor time when she is not afraid she will be pulled out often not based on her play at all. He basic problem is not her lack of ability but insecurity. I also would like to respond to a previous poster who said that JM needs to develop a hook shot. I can say that just because a player has not shown a skill in games does not mean they do not have it. This applies to other players as well. I watched a lot of KB's high school games along with her showing in the McDonalds game. It was watching those games that gave me the impression that she was a really good on the ball post defender. We can also see that she has post scoring skills that she has never shown before. The same is true of JM. She has a hook shot. I saw her hit one from distance in a high school game. You will not see her shoot from half court either but she could if she had too. She has a lot of skills that have not been seen yet. When she becomes more comfortable then they will emerge. I believe she has the most professional potential upside on the team. She seems to have a similar skill set as Cambage. It took Cambage a couple years in the WNBA to manifest her actual potential. |
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