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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 16, 2022 19:28:06 GMT -8
the injuries to the starters have exposed a problem that was already there. maybe if the #2,#3 and #4 starters had been healthy all year they could have hid or minimized the problem. plain and simple, the bullpen is not good enough. i saw it in Arizona and i've seen it in the midweek series. there is very little swing and miss out there. even the outs are loud. it seems like there are 5 or 6 interchangeable guys with mediocre stuff. 9 innings today without 1 strikeout. GCU had 28 hits it the 2 games , from a team who's coach said that hitting was their weakest part of their game. luke warm fastballs combined with poor secondary stuff will not work in the PAC 12. I don't see any answers from Dorman coaching them up. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. honestly from seeing a lot of games most of the arms coming out of the bullpen look like Linfield, Western Oregon, LBCC type pitching. this is extremely frustrating after hearing talk since last year about how deep and strong the pen was going to be. i hope they prove me wrong but i do not see it.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2022 19:33:00 GMT -8
the injuries to the starters have exposed a problem that was already there. maybe if the #2,#3 and #4 starters had been healthy all year they could have hid or minimized the problem. plain and simple, the bullpen is not good enough. i saw it in Arizona and i've seen it in the midweek series. there is very little swing and miss out there. even the outs are loud. it seems like there are 5 or 6 interchangeable guys with mediocre stuff. 9 innings today without 1 strikeout. GCU had 28 hits it the 2 games , from a team who's coach said that hitting was their weakest part of their game. luke warm fastballs combined with poor secondary stuff will not work in the PAC 12. I don't see any answers from Dorman coaching them up. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. honestly from seeing a lot of games most of the arms coming out of the bullpen look like Linfield, Western Oregon, LBCC type pitching. this is extremely frustrating after hearing talk since last year about how deep and strong the pen was going to be. i hope they prove me wrong but i do not see it. They haven’t been good, but comparing them to Linfield, WOU and LBCC is absurd. I don’t think you’ve seen a Linfield baseball game. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 16, 2022 19:43:21 GMT -8
the injuries to the starters have exposed a problem that was already there. maybe if the #2,#3 and #4 starters had been healthy all year they could have hid or minimized the problem. plain and simple, the bullpen is not good enough. i saw it in Arizona and i've seen it in the midweek series. there is very little swing and miss out there. even the outs are loud. it seems like there are 5 or 6 interchangeable guys with mediocre stuff. 9 innings today without 1 strikeout. GCU had 28 hits it the 2 games , from a team who's coach said that hitting was their weakest part of their game. luke warm fastballs combined with poor secondary stuff will not work in the PAC 12. I don't see any answers from Dorman coaching them up. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. honestly from seeing a lot of games most of the arms coming out of the bullpen look like Linfield, Western Oregon, LBCC type pitching. this is extremely frustrating after hearing talk since last year about how deep and strong the pen was going to be. i hope they prove me wrong but i do not see it. They haven’t been good, but comparing them to Linfield, WOU and LBCC is absurd. I don’t think you’ve seen a Linfield baseball game. the guy who started yesterday was 86-88 topped out at 90 and couldn’t get his secondary stuff over. You can see that stuff at any of the schools I mentioned |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2022 19:45:21 GMT -8
They haven’t been good, but comparing them to Linfield, WOU and LBCC is absurd. I don’t think you’ve seen a Linfield baseball game. the guy who started yesterday was 86-88 topped out at 90 and couldn’t get his secondary stuff over. You can see that stuff at any of the schools I mentioned No, you can’t. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 16, 2022 20:08:13 GMT -8
Fire Dorman!!!
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Post by bbaq on Mar 16, 2022 21:35:31 GMT -8
Here is my hope. Dorman has now seen every pitcher under stress and he should be able to pick 3-4 and work with them for the mid week games. Hopefully one will rise up and be the guy.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 17, 2022 6:36:43 GMT -8
Here is my hope. Dorman has now seen every pitcher under stress and he should be able to pick 3-4 and work with them for the mid week games. Hopefully one will rise up and be the guy. Baseball is a funny game. I know we are all thinking the same thing.....these last few games may have exposed our ability to compete in a tournament where your pitching depth will be taxed to the max. So what is it? Our bullpen/midweek starters don't have the "stuff" as the OP is suggesting? Or are some of these guys still trying to fine tune their craft, and will continue to get better? A combination? I don't know the answer, but we will get to see it play out. We really only need our pitching staff to be adequate as long as our lineup remains potent. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 17, 2022 8:04:37 GMT -8
Here is my hope. Dorman has now seen every pitcher under stress and he should be able to pick 3-4 and work with them for the mid week games. Hopefully one will rise up and be the guy. In a similar vein, Dorman knows better now which pitchers he needs to have ready for the 3rd game and which ones he can put in to follow our starters. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 17, 2022 8:14:05 GMT -8
the injuries to the starters have exposed a problem that was already there. maybe if the #2,#3 and #4 starters had been healthy all year they could have hid or minimized the problem. plain and simple, the bullpen is not good enough. i saw it in Arizona and i've seen it in the midweek series. there is very little swing and miss out there. even the outs are loud. it seems like there are 5 or 6 interchangeable guys with mediocre stuff. 9 innings today without 1 strikeout. GCU had 28 hits it the 2 games , from a team who's coach said that hitting was their weakest part of their game. luke warm fastballs combined with poor secondary stuff will not work in the PAC 12. I don't see any answers from Dorman coaching them up. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. honestly from seeing a lot of games most of the arms coming out of the bullpen look like Linfield, Western Oregon, LBCC type pitching. this is extremely frustrating after hearing talk since last year about how deep and strong the pen was going to be. i hope they prove me wrong but i do not see it. You are disrespecting our opponent. Don’t do that. It’s not classy. Suggesting our pitchers are chicken feed and that’s why GCU hammered them is crap. Saying that our pitchers our community college level so that’s why GCU hammered them is really saying that GCU is a weak opponent. That’s crap. Be better. Be a Beaver fan. Respect your opponent. |
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Post by beaver56 on Mar 17, 2022 9:55:01 GMT -8
Respect your opponent? I'd say those comments disrespect the kids wearing the Beavers jerseys more than the opponent. Which to me the the crap part. They're kids and try their best. To call the kids that are wearing the jersey of the team you're supposedly a fan of chicken "feed" is crap
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Post by irimi on Mar 17, 2022 10:17:34 GMT -8
Respect your opponent? I'd say those comments disrespect the kids wearing the Beavers jerseys more than the opponent. Which to me the the crap part. They're kids and try their best. To call the kids that are wearing the jersey of the team you're supposedly a fan of chicken "feed" is crap Good point. The two go together, I think. Respect your player's efforts. Respect the opponent's efforts. (except the Ducks) |
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 17, 2022 10:38:46 GMT -8
the injuries to the starters have exposed a problem that was already there. maybe if the #2,#3 and #4 starters had been healthy all year they could have hid or minimized the problem. plain and simple, the bullpen is not good enough. i saw it in Arizona and i've seen it in the midweek series. there is very little swing and miss out there. even the outs are loud. it seems like there are 5 or 6 interchangeable guys with mediocre stuff. 9 innings today without 1 strikeout. GCU had 28 hits it the 2 games , from a team who's coach said that hitting was their weakest part of their game. luke warm fastballs combined with poor secondary stuff will not work in the PAC 12. I don't see any answers from Dorman coaching them up. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. honestly from seeing a lot of games most of the arms coming out of the bullpen look like Linfield, Western Oregon, LBCC type pitching. this is extremely frustrating after hearing talk since last year about how deep and strong the pen was going to be. i hope they prove me wrong but i do not see it. You are disrespecting our opponent. Don’t do that. It’s not classy. Suggesting our pitchers are chicken feed and that’s why GCU hammered them is crap. Saying that our pitchers our community college level so that’s why GCU hammered them is really saying that GCU is a weak opponent. That’s crap. Be better. Be a Beaver fan. Respect your opponent. not just talking about the beavers last opponent. the group of middle/long relievers has thrown 75 innings, had just over 100 base runners, struck of 56 and is pitching to an era of around 5.50. simple pointing out that is not good enough and i don't see a fix. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 17, 2022 11:24:06 GMT -8
Respect your opponent? I'd say those comments disrespect the kids wearing the Beavers jerseys more than the opponent. Which to me the the crap part. They're kids and try their best. To call the kids that are wearing the jersey of the team you're supposedly a fan of chicken "feed" is crap So True. Pointing out a need for improvement, and having some faith that it can occur is another outlook. And improvement has been a real thing over the years: Jake Pfennigs 2019 (Freshman) - First 5 appearances = 9 innings / 7 ER Jake Pfennigs 2019 - Next 5 appearances = 8 innings / 2 ER... and after the season really got going: PAC 12 ERA = 1.64 Jake Thompson 2014 ERA 4.25 / 2015 ERA 9.95 (limited use) / 2017 ERA 1.96 Christian Chamberlain 2018 WHIP 1.4 Christian Chamberlain 2020 WHIP 0.77 I admit to some cherry-picking on the above...but it's still True. I have a feeling that within a few more games (if it's not already the case) that Dorman and Canham will have settled in on the appropriate use for most of the staff. Even just looking at the last 4 games (in other words, since Hjerpe last pitched), during which Beavs are a mediocre 2-2, there have been a number of Pitchers that have had solid appearances: Saturday - Kmatz, Brown (though NOT Tues.), Carpenter Sunday - Lattery (though NOT yesterday) Tuesday - Verburg (though NOT Sunday), Carpenter Wednesday - Townsend (though NOT Sunday), Thorsteinson So, do we see the 'Saturday' Brown, or the 'Tuesday' Brown? same for Lattery, Verburg, Townsend. It's a tug-of-war between potential and inconsistency. And does Pfennigs return? (or, When?) - so that Kmatz can be the Sunday hurler. Time will tell. |
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 17, 2022 13:05:23 GMT -8
Respect your opponent? I'd say those comments disrespect the kids wearing the Beavers jerseys more than the opponent. Which to me the the crap part. They're kids and try their best. To call the kids that are wearing the jersey of the team you're supposedly a fan of chicken "feed" is crap So True. Pointing out a need for improvement, and having some faith that it can occur is another outlook. And improvement has been a real thing over the years: Jake Pfennigs 2019 (Freshman) - First 5 appearances = 9 innings / 7 ER Jake Pfennigs 2019 - Next 5 appearances = 8 innings / 2 ER... and after the season really got going: PAC 12 ERA = 1.64 Jake Thompson 2014 ERA 4.25 / 2015 ERA 9.95 (limited use) / 2017 ERA 1.96 Christian Chamberlain 2018 WHIP 1.4 Christian Chamberlain 2020 WHIP 0.77 I admit to some cherry-picking on the above...but it's still True. I have a feeling that within a few more games (if it's not already the case) that Dorman and Canham will have settled in on the appropriate use for most of the staff. Even just looking at the last 4 games (in other words, since Hjerpe last pitched), during which Beavs are a mediocre 2-2, there have been a number of Pitchers that have had solid appearances: Saturday - Kmatz, Brown (though NOT Tues.), Carpenter Sunday - Lattery (though NOT yesterday) Tuesday - Verburg (though NOT Sunday), Carpenter Wednesday - Townsend (though NOT Sunday), Thorsteinson So, do we see the 'Saturday' Brown, or the 'Tuesday' Brown? same for Lattery, Verburg, Townsend. It's a tug-of-war between potential and inconsistency. And does Pfennigs return? (or, When?) - so that Kmatz can be the Sunday hurler. Time will tell. I can’t find the thread in which it was stated that none of the preseason, projected starters were proven. As Ricke points out, Pfennigs was 5-0 last season with conference victories over all the Pac12 teams that qualified for the NCAA tournament. He then had an outstanding game against TCU in the regional. I think that record qualifies him as a proven starter. And Hjerpe, though a little up and down is there in my opinion, but strictly my opinion. I do fret about the pen and a third starter. Also, JakeP wasn’t sharp in his first game back from injury last season so he may have a little struggle on return, but he sure the heck was a proven starter last season. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 17, 2022 13:19:22 GMT -8
You are disrespecting our opponent. Don’t do that. It’s not classy. Suggesting our pitchers are chicken feed and that’s why GCU hammered them is crap. Saying that our pitchers our community college level so that’s why GCU hammered them is really saying that GCU is a weak opponent. That’s crap. Be better. Be a Beaver fan. Respect your opponent. not just talking about the beavers last opponent. the group of middle/long relievers has thrown 75 innings, had just over 100 base runners, struck of 56 and is pitching to an era of around 5.50. simple pointing out that is not good enough and i don't see a fix. Fair enough. I still think it's too early to say this can't be fixed. We have seen many KIDS emerge as the season goes on. Some of these KIDS will have some ups and downs before they hopefully get things dialed. The program is in place. The kids and coaches are putting in the work. Let's see how they respond this weekend against an ASU team who can hit a little bit. |
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