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Post by messi on Mar 9, 2022 17:22:22 GMT -8
Looks like my pre-season prediction was off by a year
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 9, 2022 17:26:56 GMT -8
Get ready for a lot more transfers coming in. Tinkle doesn't really have a choice at this point I don't think. Find some disgruntled dudes and home you can make them gruntled. Didn't work this year, but you can't run this same squad back out there. Hasn't it been the lack of numbers on the team that has really hurt us the most? Which obviously stems from team spirit, commitment, leadership issues. But I think we have pieces, if they stay, and we need a full team of committed kids. I say grab talented freshmen. Disgruntled guys are disgruntled for a reason. You wouldn't hire them, would you? And, the above ask on the "#", is very tough one to answer. I mean 3 wins is pretty easy to improve upon! But, it can't just be a win total at this point. It has to include a competitiveness factor. And, that just can't be players playing hard. That's what is suppose to happen. There needs to be at least 7-8 Pac12 wins, with highly contested losses. As far as the optics, there needs to be better basketball played. Better fundamentals taught, reinforced, with high expectations and no enabling lack of performance. However, no one in the Pac12 is sliding backward and I do not see that there is enough left on the roster to actually recruit as much as needed to make the above happen. It is more than just a slip in attitude or misjudging recruits as key contributors last season have also fallen off the map. I do not think WT is a great X's & O's guy, but not terrible. I think he cares. I don't think he's a great teacher of the game. I think he struggles with discipline and letting the tail wag the dog partly due the lack of quality depth. I think he a very below average recruiter partly because he has a staff that is. With that said the latter issues far outweigh the former unless everything falls into place perfectly. Optimistically, depending on the rest of the NC schedule (it better be patsies after the PDX tourney), I see maybe 14 wins overall, with 5-7 in the Pac12. To me not near enough to keep him around EXCEPT that OSU is not flush with extra cash to buy him out and hire someone else in the $1.5-2.0 mil starting salary. And, you have other financial factors that enter the picture... will there be early negotiations for a new Pac12 TV deal? Reser rebuild and football success in 2022 and their season ticket issues on going right now. And, of course next years hoops attendance maybe at an all time low unless they toss in some incentives/lower prices. I think OSU finances and some big donor(s) will have more impact than WT's win/loss record next season. Unless it is like this year! Gawd, please no...
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 9, 2022 18:06:48 GMT -8
Get ready for a lot more transfers coming in. Tinkle doesn't really have a choice at this point I don't think. Find some disgruntled dudes and home you can make them gruntled. Didn't work this year, but you can't run this same squad back out there. Hasn't it been the lack of numbers on the team that has really hurt us the most? Which obviously stems from team spirit, commitment, leadership issues. But I think we have pieces, if they stay, and we need a full team of committed kids. I say grab talented freshmen. Disgruntled guys are disgruntled for a reason. You wouldn't hire them, would you? I don’t think all transfers are disgruntled per se. There are plenty of transfers that are very successful at their new schools. I also root for Illinois, and they start 2 transfers and certainly wouldn’t be where they are without Utah transfer Alfonso Plummer, who was named this week to 3rd team all-conference. Just have to find the right guys for what you want to do and be honest with them about what is expected of them — and make sure they fit in. Obviously, WT did a poor job of all that this year. But to forsake the transfer portal in this day and age would be very shortsighted. Tinkle just has to be much better at identifying players and selling them on coming here. And he will have to bring in some transfers given the current talent level, the number of spots he could potentially have to fill, and the need for improvement in order to potentially save his job. All that said, high school recruiting has to be the foundation of a team — and WT hasn’t been very good at it overall. I do like Taylor if he sticks around, and think two of the incoming recruits — Bilodeau and the German kid — have potential if they indeed make it here. But WT isn’t bringing in 4* players and so the recruits he is bringing in likely need some time to develop. So that means transfers. I hope he can find the right ones as well as some more HS recruits with talent. Not sure he can, but his job depends on it.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 9, 2022 18:15:01 GMT -8
Our long national nightmare is over.... at least until next season.
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Post by messi on Mar 9, 2022 18:28:32 GMT -8
The pressure is on the rest of the conference. No one wants to be that team that ends this streak.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 18:59:41 GMT -8
Hasn't it been the lack of numbers on the team that has really hurt us the most? Which obviously stems from team spirit, commitment, leadership issues. But I think we have pieces, if they stay, and we need a full team of committed kids. I say grab talented freshmen. Disgruntled guys are disgruntled for a reason. You wouldn't hire them, would you? I don’t think all transfers are disgruntled per se. There are plenty of transfers that are very successful at their new schools. I also root for Illinois, and they start 2 transfers and certainly wouldn’t be where they are without Utah transfer Alfonso Plummer, who was named this week to 3rd team all-conference. Just have to find the right guys for what you want to do and be honest with them about what is expected of them — and make sure they fit in. Obviously, WT did a poor job of all that this year. But to forsake the transfer portal in this day and age would be very shortsighted. Tinkle just has to be much better at identifying players and selling them on coming here. And he will have to bring in some transfers given the current talent level, the number of spots he could potentially have to fill, and the need for improvement in order to potentially save his job. All that said, high school recruiting has to be the foundation of a team — and WT hasn’t been very good at it overall. I do like Taylor if he sticks around, and think two of the incoming recruits — Bilodeau and the German kid — have potential if they indeed make it here. But WT isn’t bringing in 4* players and so the recruits he is bringing in likely need some time to develop. So that means transfers. I hope he can find the right ones as well as some more HS recruits with talent. Not sure he can, but his job depends on it. He’s going to have to hit the transfer portal because he has to clean house. Akanno and Rand are the only two transfers that should be considered to return. Akanno is borderline. If we get Taylor, Davis, Lucas, Andela, Marial, Akanno and Rand back, plus the two recruits, that gives you 4 or so to work with depending on if Hunt returns. Time to go to work.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:02:25 GMT -8
That's the hill you're going to die on....Wayne helped get these guys to the dance? #1 was all GP II #2 was team actually getting hot at the right moment and beating quite a few teams in the tourney that went ice cold (that's basketball). #3 = #1 & #2 are BS. No they're not. You are completely overvaluing Wayne's coaching abilities.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:03:53 GMT -8
#1. Disagree. GP II was good, but it took more than him to make it to the dance. #2. Maybe. But they had to run the table in the Pac 12 tournament just to get there. Then they just kept beating the odds in the big tourney. 3 wins in the Pac 12 tourney plus 3 wins in the NCAA tourney and all 6 teams just went ice cold. Pure luck.......even that final 4 UCLA team......blah, blah, blah. Yes, a missed FT was all it took. But so happy to hear that you love paying for Wayne's ineptness (which is worse than Craig's).
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:05:07 GMT -8
All of this. And yet S Scott Barnes doesn't hold Wayne's feet to the fire at all. Wipe out the assistant coaches, make Wayne actually work for his money THAT YOU SIGNED HIM TO BARNES! If you think Tinkle is relaxing, having a cigar and a drink with Barnes, I think you're wrong. Of course, his feet are being held to the fire. He'll get a year to put the pieces back together, but if there isn't drastic improvement, I don't think he'll be here after. This year looks bad for EVERYONE. It can't happen again. His feet aren't being held to the fire...HE HAS MORE GUARANTEED MONEY COMING TO HIM! He doesn't have to do a thing except show up, go through the motions, and collect the check, which was all of 2021-2022.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:05:35 GMT -8
I'd like to know what some of you see as the record necessary next year for tinkle to avoid getting canned? 8 overall wins? 12? What's the magic number? 0-0.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:06:33 GMT -8
It much more to say. How could He be so wrong about these players? I do not see any way forward. We are on uncharted territory . Or..........maybe his coaching isn't helping being the glue to getting them to work together. We won't mention the Maryland academic transcript...that's a waste of a schollie right there.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 9, 2022 19:07:02 GMT -8
I'd like to know what some of you see as the record necessary next year for tinkle to avoid getting canned? 8 overall wins? 12? What's the magic number? Don't go by wins. Go by attendance. Fans know. And they're voting no.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 9, 2022 19:53:45 GMT -8
I don’t think all transfers are disgruntled per se. There are plenty of transfers that are very successful at their new schools. I also root for Illinois, and they start 2 transfers and certainly wouldn’t be where they are without Utah transfer Alfonso Plummer, who was named this week to 3rd team all-conference. Just have to find the right guys for what you want to do and be honest with them about what is expected of them — and make sure they fit in. Obviously, WT did a poor job of all that this year. But to forsake the transfer portal in this day and age would be very shortsighted. Tinkle just has to be much better at identifying players and selling them on coming here. And he will have to bring in some transfers given the current talent level, the number of spots he could potentially have to fill, and the need for improvement in order to potentially save his job. All that said, high school recruiting has to be the foundation of a team — and WT hasn’t been very good at it overall. I do like Taylor if he sticks around, and think two of the incoming recruits — Bilodeau and the German kid — have potential if they indeed make it here. But WT isn’t bringing in 4* players and so the recruits he is bringing in likely need some time to develop. So that means transfers. I hope he can find the right ones as well as some more HS recruits with talent. Not sure he can, but his job depends on it. He’s going to have to hit the transfer portal because he has to clean house. Akanno and Rand are the only two transfers that should be considered to return. Akanno is borderline. If we get Taylor, Davis, Lucas, Andela, Marial, Akanno and Rand back, plus the two recruits, that gives you 4 or so to work with depending on if Hunt returns. Time to go to work. Agreed. On Akanno. I was unimpressed with him early on, but he played better late. He certainly doesn’t look like a starter, and if he’s OK with coming off the bench I have no problem with him coming back. But please lord, don’t bring Williams back. They also have a third recruit committed. Not sure what to think of him, but seems likely he needs developing. I’d like to see them bring in another HS recruit (as long as he’s talented enough). To have any shot at real improvement next season, at least one of the new transfers has to be an “alpha-type”
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 19:58:15 GMT -8
3 wins in the Pac 12 tourney plus 3 wins in the NCAA tourney and all 6 teams just went ice cold. Pure luck.......even that final 4 UCLA team......blah, blah, blah. Yes, a missed FT was all it took. But so happy to hear that you love paying for Wayne's ineptness (which is worse than Craig's). How many NCAA tournaments did your buddy Craig lead us to?
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 19:59:44 GMT -8
3 wins in the Pac 12 tourney plus 3 wins in the NCAA tourney and all 6 teams just went ice cold. Pure luck.......even that final 4 UCLA team......blah, blah, blah. Yes, a missed FT was all it took. But so happy to hear that you love paying for Wayne's ineptness (which is worse than Craig's). A missed FT in 6 straight games? Wow, that’s amazing. And yes, I loved when CR took us to the Elite 8…… of the CBI
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