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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 16:40:24 GMT -8
Not sure where you got that I was making excuses for Tinkle. More of an explanation. He recruited the wrong guys. He had to recruit those guys because he did not have enough underclassmen on the roster due to weak HS recruiting and/or the inability to keep guys on campus. It's definitely something that needs to be addressed if he's going to continue to be our head coach. Nobody's arguing that Tinkle has done an amazing job to get us to 3 wins. Nobody ever has. All people are saying is that he's not a terrible basketball coach. He deserves a lot of credit for getting us to the tournament twice. It's a program full of good kids that represent the university well as far as I can tell. It's not black and white. He's not a godsend. He's not the worst coach of all time. I'm somewhere in the middle. That's the hill you're going to die on....Wayne helped get these guys to the dance? #1 was all GP II #2 was team actually getting hot at the right moment and beating quite a few teams in the tourney that went ice cold (that's basketball). #3 = #1 & #2 are BS.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 9, 2022 16:41:58 GMT -8
For those that thought no body could have a worse record than Jimmy Anderson or Craig Robinson. Well let me introduce Coach Tinkle. If he continues Jay John's record is in sight.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 16:42:00 GMT -8
So, wasn't everyone's recruiting restrictions the same? And, those teams having to sign even more last minute are because of their recruiting chops... the lack thereof. No matter what individuals think of WT, his contract, etc he has failed in almost every aspect of coaching this season. No excuses. All of this. And yet S Scott Barnes doesn't hold Wayne's feet to the fire at all. Wipe out the assistant coaches, make Wayne actually work for his money THAT YOU SIGNED HIM TO BARNES! You're an angry elf!
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2022 16:42:34 GMT -8
Not sure where you got that I was making excuses for Tinkle. More of an explanation. He recruited the wrong guys. He had to recruit those guys because he did not have enough underclassmen on the roster due to weak HS recruiting and/or the inability to keep guys on campus. It's definitely something that needs to be addressed if he's going to continue to be our head coach. Nobody's arguing that Tinkle has done an amazing job to get us to 3 wins. Nobody ever has. All people are saying is that he's not a terrible basketball coach. He deserves a lot of credit for getting us to the tournament twice. It's a program full of good kids that represent the university well as far as I can tell. It's not black and white. He's not a godsend. He's not the worst coach of all time. I'm somewhere in the middle. That's the hill you're going to die on....Wayne helped get these guys to the dance? #1 was all GP II #2 was team actually getting hot at the right moment and beating quite a few teams in the tourney that went ice cold (that's basketball). #1. Disagree. GP II was good, but it took more than him to make it to the dance. #2. Maybe. But they had to run the table in the Pac 12 tournament just to get there. Then they just kept beating the odds in the big tourney.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Mar 9, 2022 16:43:16 GMT -8
This season is completely on Tinkle and there needs to be a winning season next year or it's over. But last year's run absolutely involved good coaching - both can be and are true.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 16:43:51 GMT -8
That's the hill you're going to die on....Wayne helped get these guys to the dance? #1 was all GP II #2 was team actually getting hot at the right moment and beating quite a few teams in the tourney that went ice cold (that's basketball). #1. Disagree. GP II was good, but it took more than him to make it to the dance. #2. Maybe. But they had to run the table in the Pac 12 tournament just to get there. Then they just kept beating the odds in the big tourney. 3 wins in the Pac 12 tourney plus 3 wins in the NCAA tourney and all 6 teams just went ice cold. Pure luck.......even that final 4 UCLA team......blah, blah, blah.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2022 16:44:29 GMT -8
This season is completely on Tinkle and there needs to be a winning season next year or it's over. But last year's run absolutely involved good coaching - both can be and are true. Yes, unfortunately, he tinkled all over himself this year.
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2022 16:47:17 GMT -8
So, wasn't everyone's recruiting restrictions the same? And, those teams having to sign even more last minute are because of their recruiting chops... the lack thereof. No matter what individuals think of WT, his contract, etc he has failed in almost every aspect of coaching this season. No excuses. All of this. And yet S Scott Barnes doesn't hold Wayne's feet to the fire at all. Wipe out the assistant coaches, make Wayne actually work for his money THAT YOU SIGNED HIM TO BARNES! If you think Tinkle is relaxing, having a cigar and a drink with Barnes, I think you're wrong. Of course, his feet are being held to the fire. He'll get a year to put the pieces back together, but if there isn't drastic improvement, I don't think he'll be here after. This year looks bad for EVERYONE. It can't happen again.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Mar 9, 2022 16:48:56 GMT -8
All of this. And yet S Scott Barnes doesn't hold Wayne's feet to the fire at all. Wipe out the assistant coaches, make Wayne actually work for his money THAT YOU SIGNED HIM TO BARNES! If you think Tinkle is relaxing, having a cigar and a drink with Barnes, I think you're wrong. Of course, his feet are being held to the fire. He'll get a year to put the pieces back together, but if there isn't drastic improvement, I don't think he'll be here after. This year looks bad for EVERYONE. It can't happen again. Yeah, I'm not sure why people have the idea that he doesn't care - I've never gotten the impression from Tinkle at any point in his tenure. This is a total failure of a season - but it's not for lack of caring.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 9, 2022 16:50:15 GMT -8
I'd like to know what some of you see as the record necessary next year for tinkle to avoid getting canned? 8 overall wins? 12? What's the magic number?
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Post by nabeav on Mar 9, 2022 16:51:09 GMT -8
Get ready for a lot more transfers coming in. Tinkle doesn't really have a choice at this point I don't think. Find some disgruntled dudes and home you can make them gruntled. Didn't work this year, but you can't run this same squad back out there.
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Post by william44 on Mar 9, 2022 16:53:17 GMT -8
It much more to say. How could He be so wrong about these players? I do not see any way forward. We are on uncharted territory .
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Post by nabeav on Mar 9, 2022 16:53:51 GMT -8
I'd like to know what some of you see as the record necessary next year for tinkle to avoid getting canned? 8 overall wins? 12? What's the magic number? I wouldn't put a number on it. If we feast on crappy teams early on that's a good sign, but if we don't win conference games they'll be hollow victories. I think it's gotta be an NIT year at the very least, and that might not be enough.
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2022 16:56:45 GMT -8
Get ready for a lot more transfers coming in. Tinkle doesn't really have a choice at this point I don't think. Find some disgruntled dudes and home you can make them gruntled. Didn't work this year, but you can't run this same squad back out there. Hasn't it been the lack of numbers on the team that has really hurt us the most? Which obviously stems from team spirit, commitment, leadership issues. But I think we have pieces, if they stay, and we need a full team of committed kids. I say grab talented freshmen. Disgruntled guys are disgruntled for a reason. You wouldn't hire them, would you?
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2022 17:00:04 GMT -8
I'd like to know what some of you see as the record necessary next year for tinkle to avoid getting canned? 8 overall wins? 12? What's the magic number? Don't go by wins. Go by attendance. Fans know.
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