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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 22, 2022 13:41:01 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Do you have any earthly idea how difficult it is to win three NCAA games in a row to reach the Elite 8, especially as a 12 seed?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 22, 2022 13:44:26 GMT -8
WE ARE NOT "THIS BAD FOR SO LONG." Not anymoreWe have been to the NCAA Tournament twice since 2015. How about the rest of the Pac12?UCLA 4 (One Final 4, One First Four exit, two sweet 16s....for now)Oregon 4 (one Final 4, one Elite 8, 2 sweet 16s)Arizona 4 (two first round losses, two sweet 16s...for now)USC 4 (One Elite 8, One round of 32, two first round exits)Oregon State 2 (One Elite 8, one first round exit) Colorado 2 (one win)Arizona State 2 (zero wins, one a first four appearance)Utah 1 (one win)Washington 1 (one win)California 1 (zero wins)Stanford (zero appearances)Washington State (zero appearances)There are only four conference teams that have gone to more NCAA Tournaments than the Beavers since 2015. Cleary something is amiss. We did not have 3-28 talent this season. The coaching is definitely a part of this season's failure. Maybe it's broken for good. I don't think so.
I'm also trying to figure out why for football when Riley had the 3rd winningest program in the conference for the 00's he was seen as "not getting it done" because he never got us higher than an Alamo Bowl despite the in-conference success. Now with Tinkle it's "sure he got us to an Elite 8, but the regular season record though!"
It's probably not a perfect union, but the Fire Riley/Fire Tinkle/Fire Canham camps sure seem like a lot of the same people. And in that time uo, UA and USC have been linked to cheating scandals, with 2 of those schools having had assistant coaches ARRESTED for their parts in the scandals. There should be some perceived positive benefit to having coaches that run a clean program, but for some people I guess not.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 22, 2022 13:51:16 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Well, my intent was certainly not to insult you by disagreeing with your opinion and then providing my reasoning why I felt differently.
The Riley/Tinkle/Canham stuff was definitely not directed at you, just a general observation....I'm sorry if you felt insulted.
You definitely intended to insult me by calling me an idiot though.
I'll still contend that I'm not an idiot for thinking that getting to the Elite 8 doesn't make us "this bad for so long" when we have as much or more postseason success than 2/3rds of the conference since Tinkle arrived on campus. Even if we had been bounced in the first round last year, we'd still have more NCAA tourney success than half the conference.
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Post by william44 on Mar 22, 2022 18:11:29 GMT -8
I was wrong for calling You an idiot. I watched every second of last Years run. I know how hard that was or how rare. With that we have had 2 Years under Tinkle one cannot explain away. I have liked Him as a person. His recruiting may have worked at Montana quite well. We cannot match athletes even though I was fooled by last season thinking yeah.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2022 19:08:18 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Do you have any earthly idea how difficult it is to win three NCAA games in a row to reach the Elite 8, especially as a 12 seed? And, the three PAC 12 tournament games before that or we don’t even get in the tournament.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 22, 2022 20:15:07 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Do you have any earthly idea how difficult it is to win three NCAA games in a row to reach the Elite 8, especially as a 12 seed? I’m betting he does.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 22, 2022 22:53:59 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Do you have any earthly idea how difficult it is to win three NCAA games in a row to reach the Elite 8, especially as a 12 seed? Of the 148 12 seeds in the history of the NCAA Tournament, there have been two 12 seeds that have reached the Elite 8: 2002 Missouri 2021 Oregon State On top of that, Oregon State the first team in the Tournament in at least 37 years to win three consecutive games in which they were 6+ point dogs. (St. Peter's has the opportunity to beat Oregon State's record on Friday.) Missouri won its three games, but the Tigers were a 1, 2 and 1.5 point dog in their three games.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Apr 11, 2022 15:00:06 GMT -8
It's hilarious...and yet not surprising since it's Oregon State. GP II basically led the Beavs and Wayne to the NCAA's. Just a funny narrative that Beaver fans have with older white coaches for some odd reason. I just want to make sure I'm clear what you're saying here before I respond: Is this implying that people who think Wayne should still be the coach are saying so because he's an older white man, and not because he's been to an Elite 8 and that over 40% of his overall losses in 8 years at OSU occurred in just two seasons that were separated by the best 4 year stretch at OSU since 1988-92? Because it sounds an awful lot like you're saying the only reason people would advocate to keep Wayne Tinkle as a coach is because he is white. You may want to read it again. Wayne could be Native American and the point still remains (just not as in lockstep with Mike Riley though. But yes, in the coaching world....older men have a unique way of failing "upward".
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 11, 2022 17:30:26 GMT -8
WE ARE NOT "THIS BAD FOR SO LONG." Not anymoreWe have been to the NCAA Tournament twice since 2015. How about the rest of the Pac12?UCLA 4 (One Final 4, One First Four exit, two sweet 16s....for now)Oregon 4 (one Final 4, one Elite 8, 2 sweet 16s)Arizona 4 (two first round losses, two sweet 16s...for now)USC 4 (One Elite 8, One round of 32, two first round exits)Oregon State 2 (One Elite 8, one first round exit) Colorado 2 (one win)Arizona State 2 (zero wins, one a first four appearance)Utah 1 (one win)Washington 1 (one win)California 1 (zero wins)Stanford (zero appearances)Washington State (zero appearances)There are only four conference teams that have gone to more NCAA Tournaments than the Beavers since 2015. Cleary something is amiss. We did not have 3-28 talent this season. The coaching is definitely a part of this season's failure. Maybe it's broken for good. I don't think so.
I'm also trying to figure out why for football when Riley had the 3rd winningest program in the conference for the 00's he was seen as "not getting it done" because he never got us higher than an Alamo Bowl despite the in-conference success. Now with Tinkle it's "sure he got us to an Elite 8, but the regular season record though!"
It's probably not a perfect union, but the Fire Riley/Fire Tinkle/Fire Canham camps sure seem like a lot of the same people. And in that time uo, UA and USC have been linked to cheating scandals, with 2 of those schools having had assistant coaches ARRESTED for their parts in the scandals. There should be some perceived positive benefit to having coaches that run a clean program, but for some people I guess not. If ya ain’t cheatin’ ya ain’t tryin’.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 11, 2022 18:56:53 GMT -8
WE ARE NOT "THIS BAD FOR SO LONG." Not anymoreWe have been to the NCAA Tournament twice since 2015. How about the rest of the Pac12?UCLA 4 (One Final 4, One First Four exit, two sweet 16s....for now)Oregon 4 (one Final 4, one Elite 8, 2 sweet 16s)Arizona 4 (two first round losses, two sweet 16s...for now)USC 4 (One Elite 8, One round of 32, two first round exits)Oregon State 2 (One Elite 8, one first round exit) Colorado 2 (one win)Arizona State 2 (zero wins, one a first four appearance)Utah 1 (one win)Washington 1 (one win)California 1 (zero wins)Stanford (zero appearances)Washington State (zero appearances)There are only four conference teams that have gone to more NCAA Tournaments than the Beavers since 2015. Cleary something is amiss. We did not have 3-28 talent this season. The coaching is definitely a part of this season's failure. Maybe it's broken for good. I don't think so.
I'm also trying to figure out why for football when Riley had the 3rd winningest program in the conference for the 00's he was seen as "not getting it done" because he never got us higher than an Alamo Bowl despite the in-conference success. Now with Tinkle it's "sure he got us to an Elite 8, but the regular season record though!"
It's probably not a perfect union, but the Fire Riley/Fire Tinkle/Fire Canham camps sure seem like a lot of the same people. During WT’s tenure, only three teams have finished with one or fewer conference wins. WT owns two of them. That’s hard to do as well. Look, I’m not a huge “Fire WT” guy yet, but his postseason runs are not exactly inspiring confidence that he’s a program builder. This season was an incredible waste of fan equity. In terms of building revenue through ticket sales, consecutive NIT bids would be much better than a surprise Elite 8 run followed by a disaster. As it was last year, there was little reason get excited about the team until the postseason. In fact, his teams have made it a habit of losing to bad teams early and killing the idea that we might have a good team before conference games even start. Those games are very important to fans in the seats and shouldn’t be ignored in the analysis.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 11, 2022 21:37:47 GMT -8
Funny we go round and round and nothing changes. If this is a horrible place to coach Men’s Basketball than we should ponder why? Some of You think we’ll find another cheap up and comer. Well that often is not the answer. People argue over Gill. A refurbished Gill and on and on. I do not know for certain, but internally something is amiss. We cannot be this bad for so long without that. I do not know all the culture based reasons or whether small town vs Big town and big climate makes a real difference. Maybe more stones need be turned over. It's THEN NOT THAN. THEN THEN THEN THEN!!!!! At least try to act like you went to class.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 11, 2022 21:40:08 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself. Do you have any earthly idea how difficult it is to win three NCAA games in a row to reach the Elite 8, especially as a 12 seed? He doesn't even know the difference between THEN and THAN! So, no, he has no idea.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 11, 2022 21:42:49 GMT -8
I was wrong for calling You an idiot. I watched every second of last Years run. I know how hard that was or how rare. With that we have had 2 Years under Tinkle one cannot explain away. I have liked Him as a person. His recruiting may have worked at Montana quite well. We cannot match athletes even though I was fooled by last season thinking yeah. What's with the weird capitalization. Oh, sorry. Do six syllable words bother YOU?
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Post by jdogge on Apr 11, 2022 21:46:42 GMT -8
WE ARE NOT "THIS BAD FOR SO LONG." Not anymoreWe have been to the NCAA Tournament twice since 2015. How about the rest of the Pac12?UCLA 4 (One Final 4, One First Four exit, two sweet 16s....for now)Oregon 4 (one Final 4, one Elite 8, 2 sweet 16s)Arizona 4 (two first round losses, two sweet 16s...for now)USC 4 (One Elite 8, One round of 32, two first round exits)Oregon State 2 (One Elite 8, one first round exit) Colorado 2 (one win)Arizona State 2 (zero wins, one a first four appearance)Utah 1 (one win)Washington 1 (one win)California 1 (zero wins)Stanford (zero appearances)Washington State (zero appearances)There are only four conference teams that have gone to more NCAA Tournaments than the Beavers since 2015. Cleary something is amiss. We did not have 3-28 talent this season. The coaching is definitely a part of this season's failure. Maybe it's broken for good. I don't think so.
I'm also trying to figure out why for football when Riley had the 3rd winningest program in the conference for the 00's he was seen as "not getting it done" because he never got us higher than an Alamo Bowl despite the in-conference success. Now with Tinkle it's "sure he got us to an Elite 8, but the regular season record though!"
It's probably not a perfect union, but the Fire Riley/Fire Tinkle/Fire Canham camps sure seem like a lot of the same people. During WT’s tenure, only three teams have finished with one or fewer conference wins. WT owns two of them. That’s hard to do as well. Look, I’m not a huge “Fire WT” guy yet, but his postseason runs are not exactly inspiring confidence that he’s a program builder. This season was an incredible waste of fan equity. In terms of building revenue through ticket sales, consecutive NIT bids would be much better than a surprise Elite 8 run followed by a disaster. As it was last year, there was little reason get excited about the team until the postseason. In fact, his teams have made it a habit of losing to bad teams early and killing the idea that we might have a good team before conference games even start. Those games are very important to fans in the seats and shouldn’t be ignored in the analysis. Some of these onion-heads want to fire Rueck.
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Post by beavsaregood on Apr 11, 2022 22:06:26 GMT -8
OSU is a baseball school.
Steven Kwan. Dude's en fuego.
Will wait for Adley to kick tail in May.
As for basketball, I laugh. hahaha! It's a sad joke.
Herb Sendek coaches Santa Clara. He's a decent coach. He did okay at ASU, I think. He's turning around Santa Clara. Bennett at St. Mary's. Todd Golden turned around San Francisco and now at Florida. The WCC cellar dwellers are improving and OSU just flounders in inconsistency and mediocrity. And we went Craig Robinson followed by Tinkle time?
Lester Conner? No. Bobby D snubbed an alum like Lester Conner. hahaha! No degree? So, experience as a NBA player, coach and management doesn't matter, I guess. How funny. GP I guess would be snubbed, too. He's coaching in Oakland.
As Chuck Barkley would say, TURRIBLE.
Just crap since the early 90s.
OSU is a baseball school.
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