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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 17, 2022 16:44:31 GMT -8
So we have arrived at the point where We argue who the better loser is. Sad.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2022 16:51:11 GMT -8
Actually Andros is the perfect example in why not to hold on too long to a coach: last 4 seasons: 2-9, 2-9, 3-8, 1-10 8 wins over 4 years almost makes Joe Avezzano's record understandable. Man did that team go downhill fast.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 17, 2022 18:17:38 GMT -8
So we have arrived at the point where We argue who the better loser is. Sad. The great part and I had to read it out loud to my golf group before heading to Gill... Wilky cherry picking info to support a 3-28 season with SOS! Had us rolling. Then to top it off he disproves his own point by using a team with twice the win total? Lol Never seen someone so enamored with a losing coach and 3-28 season. Guess 19-13 Bama with the #1 SOS on many sites didn't get the message on SOS strength means you lose games!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2022 20:23:52 GMT -8
So we have arrived at the point where We argue who the better loser is. Sad. The great part and I had to read it out loud to my golf group before heading to Gill... Wilky cherry picking info to support a 3-28 season with SOS! Had us rolling. Then to top it off he disproves his own point by using a team with twice the win total? Lol Never seen someone so enamored with a losing coach and 3-28 season. Guys 19-13 Bama with the #1 SOS on many sites didn't get the message on SOS strength means you lose games! Simple solution, we hire Bama's coach. He's got to want to come here. Done. Genius idea. I'm not in any way defending 3 wins, but it's easy to argue we can get a better coach until it's actually time to put up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 17, 2022 22:56:41 GMT -8
So we have arrived at the point where We argue who the better loser is. Sad. The great part and I had to read it out loud to my golf group before heading to Gill... Wilky cherry picking info to support a 3-28 season with SOS! Had us rolling. Then to top it off he disproves his own point by using a team with twice the win total? Lol Never seen someone so enamored with a losing coach and 3-28 season. Guess 19-13 Bama with the #1 SOS on many sites didn't get the message on SOS strength means you lose games! Had us rolling? How many people you got in there, Sybil? I am probably almost as big of a Tinkle fan as you are a Robinson fan. But that is an extremely high bar, as we all know. I have set forward my opinion. Belaboring this reminds me of the old never wrestle a pig adage.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 21, 2022 13:41:28 GMT -8
It's hilarious...and yet not surprising since it's Oregon State. GP II basically led the Beavs and Wayne to the NCAA's. Just a funny narrative that Beaver fans have with older white coaches for some odd reason. I just want to make sure I'm clear what you're saying here before I respond: Is this implying that people who think Wayne should still be the coach are saying so because he's an older white man, and not because he's been to an Elite 8 and that over 40% of his overall losses in 8 years at OSU occurred in just two seasons that were separated by the best 4 year stretch at OSU since 1988-92? Because it sounds an awful lot like you're saying the only reason people would advocate to keep Wayne Tinkle as a coach is because he is white.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 21, 2022 15:01:33 GMT -8
The great part and I had to read it out loud to my golf group before heading to Gill... Wilky cherry picking info to support a 3-28 season with SOS! Had us rolling. Then to top it off he disproves his own point by using a team with twice the win total? Lol Never seen someone so enamored with a losing coach and 3-28 season. Guys 19-13 Bama with the #1 SOS on many sites didn't get the message on SOS strength means you lose games! Simple solution, we hire Bama's coach. He's got to want to come here. Done. Genius idea. I'm not in any way defending 3 wins, but it's easy to argue we can get a better coach until it's actually time to put up. Hiring a coach can be a crapshoot. When Riley left the first time no body AS IN NOT A SOUL thought Erickson would want to be the coach likewise on Riley farewell #2 few if any thought Andersen would be the disaster he was. In the end I am willing to take my chances.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 21, 2022 23:07:25 GMT -8
Simple solution, we hire Bama's coach. He's got to want to come here. Done. Genius idea. I'm not in any way defending 3 wins, but it's easy to argue we can get a better coach until it's actually time to put up. Hiring a coach can be a crapshoot. When Riley left the first time no body AS IN NOT A SOUL thought Erickson would want to be the coach likewise on Riley farewell #2 few if any thought Andersen would be the disaster he was. In the end I am willing to take my chances. But what are the chances that Oregon State could get even an Andersen in basketball? I am thinking an Andersen-level coach is about a one in three chance. You are probably looking at sub-Andersen in basketball, especially with Barnesy at AD. And you are only going to be able to get the new coach 10th-best money. That is like betting on a hard eight on the first roll. Or loading the gun with five bullets and spinning the chamber, when you have first go at Russian Roulette. What you have right now is a guy has gone to the Tournament twice in eight years, had another year that was all-but an NIT guaranteed floor with the sky the limit wiped out by COVID-19, a should have been NIT berth that Oregon State was cheated out of (The Torreros get the bid? C'mon!), a winning season, a .500 season and two duds. You don't have to find a different table. Throw the dice. You have a better than 7 Come 11 chance of going to the Tournament with Tinkle. No one that would think about accepting the job other than Tinkle could give you those odds.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 22, 2022 9:59:31 GMT -8
You like to make fun of Scott Barnes, but the wrestling coach he hired was just named the national coach of the year and the men's soccer coach was named the Pac-12 COTY, the West Region COTY, and almost led us to the Final Four and a possible national championship if not for a horrible call that negated a game-winning OT goal in the Elite 8.
Throw in the CC/T&F coach, a women's soccer coach who is getting high marks from everyone connected with the program (and we got a quality SID employee in the package) and Mitch Canham and I'd say Barnes' track record for hiring at OSU is pretty good.
And please don't play the Kevin Stallworth card. Every AD whiffs on a hire once in a while, and he had excellent credentials at Vandy.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 22, 2022 10:02:31 GMT -8
You like to make fun of Scott Barnes, but the wrestling coach he hired was just named the national coach of the year and the men's soccer coach was named the Pac-12 COTY, the West Region COTY, and almost led us to the Final Four and a possible national championship if not for a horrible call that negated a game-winning OT goal in the Elite 8. Throw in the CC/T&F coach, a women's soccer coach who is getting high marks from everyone connected with the program (and we got a quality SID employee in the package) and Mitch Canham and I'd say Barnes' track record for hiring at OSU is pretty good. And please don't play the Kevin Stallworth card. Every AD whiffs on a hire once in a while, and he had excellent credentials at Vandy. It's always been one of the many WT "excuses". Have to keep WT as SB can't hire. And since there isn't ANY other coach, at any level, that could possible be successful here or would want to take the job at OSU... might as well give WT a lifetime contract. It's basically a done deal.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2022 10:39:28 GMT -8
I just love the 8 threads per week about getting rid of WT, when he’s not going anywhere for at least another year or two. But, whatever, keep banging your heads against the wall if that’s your thing.
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Post by william44 on Mar 22, 2022 10:41:11 GMT -8
Funny we go round and round and nothing changes. If this is a horrible place to coach Men’s Basketball than we should ponder why? Some of You think we’ll find another cheap up and comer. Well that often is not the answer. People argue over Gill. A refurbished Gill and on and on. I do not know for certain, but internally something is amiss. We cannot be this bad for so long without that. I do not know all the culture based reasons or whether small town vs Big town and big climate makes a real difference. Maybe more stones need be turned over.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 22, 2022 13:27:40 GMT -8
WE ARE NOT "THIS BAD FOR SO LONG."
Not anymore
We have been to the NCAA Tournament twice since 2015. How about the rest of the Pac12?
UCLA 4 (One Final 4, One First Four exit, two sweet 16s....for now) Oregon 4 (one Final 4, one Elite 8, 2 sweet 16s) Arizona 4 (two first round losses, two sweet 16s...for now) USC 4 (One Elite 8, One round of 32, two first round exits) Oregon State 2 (One Elite 8, one first round exit) Colorado 2 (one win) Arizona State 2 (zero wins, one a first four appearance) Utah 1 (one win) Washington 1 (one win) California 1 (zero wins) Stanford (zero appearances) Washington State (zero appearances)
There are only four conference teams that have gone to more NCAA Tournaments than the Beavers since 2015.
Cleary something is amiss. We did not have 3-28 talent this season. The coaching is definitely a part of this season's failure. Maybe it's broken for good. I don't think so.
I'm also trying to figure out why for football when Riley had the 3rd winningest program in the conference for the 00's he was seen as "not getting it done" because he never got us higher than an Alamo Bowl despite the in-conference success. Now with Tinkle it's "sure he got us to an Elite 8, but the regular season record though!"
It's probably not a perfect union, but the Fire Riley/Fire Tinkle/Fire Canham camps sure seem like a lot of the same people.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 22, 2022 13:34:59 GMT -8
You like to make fun of Scott Barnes, but the wrestling coach he hired was just named the national coach of the year and the men's soccer coach was named the Pac-12 COTY, the West Region COTY, and almost led us to the Final Four and a possible national championship if not for a horrible call that negated a game-winning OT goal in the Elite 8. Throw in the CC/T&F coach, a women's soccer coach who is getting high marks from everyone connected with the program (and we got a quality SID employee in the package) and Mitch Canham and I'd say Barnes' track record for hiring at OSU is pretty good. And please don't play the Kevin Stallworth card. Every AD whiffs on a hire once in a while, and he had excellent credentials at Vandy. It's always been one of the many WT "excuses". Have to keep WT as SB can't hire. And since there isn't ANY other coach, at any level, that could possible be successful here or would want to take the job at OSU... might as well give WT a lifetime contract. It's basically a done deal. Finally some people agree that Barnes can make good coaching hire decisions. Too bad at least one of those people can't agree that Barnes can make good coaching retention decisions.
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Post by william44 on Mar 22, 2022 13:35:07 GMT -8
First off I was never a fire Riley guy. 2 nd questioning What is going on and You say we are good because we got elite 8. Idiot we won3 games. Oh on Mitch you are off base as well. Seems You are just happy to go along. Many of us are past that. You insulted many more people than just myself.
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