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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 26, 2022 3:03:01 GMT -8
who is coaching at Portland is someone the AD should have their eye on.
In his first 4 years as a head coach at Eastern Washinton Legans went, 13-5, 12 - 8, 16 - 4 and 12 - 3 in conference. He inherited a program at UP that had lost 45 out of its last 46 conference games prior to this season. This season they have won 6 in a row and if they beat Santa Clara today UP will have had their first conference winning record in forever. Portland MBB has been a coaching graveyard for decades, as bad or worse than OSU the past 30 years. Legans appears to be headed towards big things...
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2022 4:09:23 GMT -8
I have to admit that after reading an October 2021 article on portlandpilots.com, I hope he stays with Portland for awhile to see what he can do. Plus, then Beavs can sweep in when Tinkle contract is up or at least the buyout is manageable.
According to that article 14 of the 17 players on the roster are new with. Good mix of where they came from — freshmen, transfers (including 3 that followed him, and international players. But it is him talking about offense and especially defense that sounds good. On offense he believes in giving his players the freedom to do what they do best — whether that be 3-point play, posting up, etc. His teams tend to shoot a lot of 3s and play fairly up tempo, but it sounded like he is willing to remake his offense each year if needed based on his players skills. I think this is important when looking for a coach overall, but especially if it is one who is moving up into a better league. Sometimes a coach needs to adjust his system because it just won’t work that well in the new conference. For example, though it was defense, Brad Underwood at Illinois came to realize that the pressing defense his teams usually played was just not going to work in BIG. Underwood also likes his teams to play up tempo, but he’s adjusted things somewhat based on his personnel. From the article, it sounds like Legans has that in him.
And his defensive philosophy? Toughness. In the article Legans brings up a line from one of his assistants — “On defense, we play tough. On offense, we play hoops.” Heck yeah, sounds good to me.
Interesting article and I would recommend googling it (have trouble linking from my phone). Obviously article was written prior to this year’s success. I’d be interested in knowing what types of changes he’s had to make in season.
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Post by aicandme on Feb 26, 2022 9:23:57 GMT -8
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 26, 2022 14:30:46 GMT -8
He will be gone by the time we are looking AGAIN for a new head coach. Rinse and repeat. Hire a coach on the cheap and the results are what we have seen since 1988. No consistent success.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 26, 2022 14:41:16 GMT -8
He will be gone by the time we are looking AGAIN for a new head coach. Rinse and repeat. Hire a coach on the cheap and the results are what we have seen since 1988. No consistent success. I think there is a good chance WT is gone after next season and I would guess Legans will be back at Portland next year. That being said, he may feel he has better options then OSU. But maybe he wants to stay in the Northwest, and if you can turn around Portland, he may be able to turn around OSU.
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 26, 2022 15:16:25 GMT -8
To me,osu has been 0/6 in the hires of head coaches in MBB since Ralph left. I think Gill is not the negative it once was. The practice facility and locker room is nice. I just think that osu would need to pony up more money to get a staff and head coach that can win consistently. The money budgeted has to be given to football since the greatest revenue is generated in that sport...and rightfully so. I think we will have some or a lot of attrition from this roster going forward. The chemistry is bad,and everyone is frustrated...coaches and players too. Sad how quickly the bloom is off the Rose after a historic season in osu MBB.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 14, 2022 15:31:38 GMT -8
Is what Shantay Legans has accomplished really that much different than what Tinkle had accomplished prior to coming to OSU? I'll give you the record at Portland was impressive this year, but he also it's not like he took a bad team and made them good. He brought in 14 new players, including his leading scorer who played for him at EWU.
Success in the transfer portal is key for sure. He may be a good fit at OSU. But he seems a lot like Ritchie McKay and Wayne Tinkle to me in terms of resume prior to coming to OSU.
Legans: 5 years in Big Sky/WCC - 93-63 record, one conference reg season title, one conference tourney title, one NCAA appearance Tinkle: First five years at Montana - 91-64 record, one conference reg season title, two conference tourney titles, two NCAA appearances McKay: 4 seasons in Big Sky/WAC/MWC - 61-52 record, no titles or NCAA appearances
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 15, 2022 11:17:07 GMT -8
To me, WT is a decent fit at OSU. He's by nearly all accounts a good guy and represents OSU well. What we need is a an assistant who is a big time recruiting specialist. Maybe someone who lurks around the gray areas a bit if needed. Upgrade the recruiting and WT will get much better W/L results.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 15, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -8
To me, WT is a decent fit at OSU. He's by nearly all accounts a good guy and represents OSU well. What we need is a an assistant who is a big time recruiting specialist. Maybe someone who lurks around the gray areas a bit if needed. Upgrade the recruiting and WT will get much better W/L results. Not to belittle your post, but with good recruiting I could have a better W/L record than 3-28. The point is, WT is in charge of the staff/recruiting and he's not made any changes to this point. And, wasted the biggest positive this program has had in 30 years. He's not getting fired. I'm not sure even a 10-21 year next year gets him fired. OSU has too much money tied up in athletics right now to fire and hire what a quality coach/his staff will demand these days. But, after 8 seasons I do not see him suddenly changing "stripes". He had his ego busted, but he'll go back to his "basics", which may have worked at Montana, but will not turn it around in the Pac12. I don't think he's going anywhere for at least two more seasons unless a big donor becomes involved.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2022 22:32:47 GMT -8
If we hire someone new, maybe we should hire someone that has experience coaching hard to coach players....
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 16, 2022 10:08:42 GMT -8
Too bad his first name isn't Charles. Then he could be C. Shantay Legans.
BTW, a fantastic movie:
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 17, 2022 6:32:40 GMT -8
Aye! And a Shantay Legans to you to this fine day!!!
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Post by hawksea on Mar 17, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -8
To me,osu has been 0/6 in the hires of head coaches in MBB since Ralph left. I think Gill is not the negative it once was. The practice facility and locker room is nice. I just think that osu would need to pony up more money to get a staff and head coach that can win consistently. The money budgeted has to be given to football since the greatest revenue is generated in that sport...and rightfully so. I think we will have some or a lot of attrition from this roster going forward. The chemistry is bad,and everyone is frustrated...coaches and players too. Sad how quickly the bloom is off the Rose after a historic season in osu MBB. I would say we are 1/6 in hires. One of those 6 has led us to 2 NCAA tournament appearances, including an Elite 8 run. I would consider that a successful run, especially after 25 years of incompetence beforehand.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 17, 2022 15:50:28 GMT -8
If he was a great hire he wouldn't have a 45% overall record and a 35% pac12 record.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 17, 2022 15:51:35 GMT -8
To me,osu has been 0/6 in the hires of head coaches in MBB since Ralph left. I think Gill is not the negative it once was. The practice facility and locker room is nice. I just think that osu would need to pony up more money to get a staff and head coach that can win consistently. The money budgeted has to be given to football since the greatest revenue is generated in that sport...and rightfully so. I think we will have some or a lot of attrition from this roster going forward. The chemistry is bad,and everyone is frustrated...coaches and players too. Sad how quickly the bloom is off the Rose after a historic season in osu MBB. I would say we are 1/6 in hires. One of those 6 has led us to 2 NCAA tournament appearances, including an Elite 8 run. I would consider that a successful run, especially after 25 years of incompetence beforehand. Pssh. You are one of those apologists, who think that arguably Oregon State's best season since JFK was President all of a sudden makes Wayne Tinkle a successful hire. I am sure that baseba11 is rushing over to your post as we speak with the tar and some feathers and rail to carry you out on. It was just the Elite Eight. Quit accepting mediocrity!.......or something else unintelligible.
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