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Post by william44 on Mar 19, 2022 5:17:07 GMT -8
Well funny how people hated certain coaches and prop up others. I really think it is not a very desirable place. Some of that is out of the University’s control. Rural town, climate so so. An old arena opened when I was a little Boy. With a few issues OSU needs to be aggressive in hiring a Coach. Who knows if U of P coach would come here? We seem to think we were a basketball school. We were in the 60’s 70’s,80’s By late 80,s Arizona and Lute Olsen became the standard. To think at one time we were top 10 in wins. Look at the Arenas some of the better schools have. There are teams like Gonzaga. They have a really good coach and they know who they are. We don’t.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 10:05:00 GMT -8
A bad year? After 8 seasons he has a 45% overall percentage and 35% pac12 record. He has had one winning pac12 season. I am willing to risk the chance we can find somebody better. He’s had 2 horrible years mixed in with the best basketball OSU has had in 30 years now, all on what is among the lowest budgets in the league. OSU has shown itself unwilling to hire highly paid “proven” coaches. Do you see that changing, or are you hoping next time is the time we find a Picasso at a garage sale?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2022 10:24:59 GMT -8
A bad year? After 8 seasons he has a 45% overall percentage and 35% pac12 record. He has had one winning pac12 season. I am willing to risk the chance we can find somebody better. He’s had 2 horrible years mixed in with the best basketball OSU has had in 30 years now, all on what is among the lowest budgets in the league. OSU has shown itself unwilling to hire highly paid “proven” coaches. Do you see that changing, or are you hoping next time is the time we find a Picasso at a garage sale? Another excuse proven invalid by the WBB program when SR was hired. There are great coaches out there at every level. Not all of them expect to be paid at the level of a D1 vet until they earn it. Most just crave the opportunity to prove themselves versus the best. And, yep some may use OSU as a stepping stone. But, if they do it means they were successful and OSU becomes more attractive. The nonsense that OSU has to attract some high paid veteran D1 coach is complete and utter baloney.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 11:25:26 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 11:30:02 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2022 11:44:00 GMT -8
Yes you actually can in their own terms. Plenty of great coaches out there at all levels. Plenty would crave the opportunity to be at a D1 school Most would not expect an initial salary commensurate with a D1 vet until they have proven themselves. WBB or MBB the same situations exist. Different pay scales maybe, but your article has no bearing on what I said.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 12:44:59 GMT -8
Yes you actually can in their own terms. Plenty of great coaches out there at all levels. Plenty would crave the opportunity to be at a D1 school Most would not expect an initial salary commensurate with a D1 vet until they have proven themselves. WBB or MBB the same situations exist. Different pay scales maybe, but your article has no bearing on what I said. 17 year old boys and 17 year old girls are practically a different species when it comes to recruiting and what drives the kids. Women's basketball is an entirely different animal than men's basketball. The WNBA didn't even exist except on paper until 1997. Even now the WNBA league full season contracts are just reaching very low 6 figure minimums. It's a different recruiting game all together. I'm not sure how many lower division coaches had the kind of resume Rueck had coming into OSU. 2 sweet sixteens, 2 elite 8s and a national championship, along with a couple other 2nd round appearances is nothing to sneeze at even if it was at a lower division. "IF" OSU could identify a coach with that kind of resume, especially loaded at the most recent 6 years like Scott's was, it might be worth the risk, but my guess is those kind of coaches are few and far between. Men's and women's basketball are completely different animals. Might I add, since you harp on Tinkle's recruiting all of the time, Rueck has had fantastic results in recruiting the last 3 or 4 years, yet they finished 8th in the Pac-12. He's still a great coach, but things aren't always predictable.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2022 13:51:30 GMT -8
Yes you actually can in their own terms. Plenty of great coaches out there at all levels. Plenty would crave the opportunity to be at a D1 school Most would not expect an initial salary commensurate with a D1 vet until they have proven themselves. WBB or MBB the same situations exist. Different pay scales maybe, but your article has no bearing on what I said. 17 year old boys and 17 year old girls are practically a different species when it comes to recruiting and what drives the kids. Women's basketball is an entirely different animal than men's basketball. The WNBA didn't even exist except on paper until 1997. Even now the WNBA league full season contracts are just reaching very low 6 figure minimums. It's a different recruiting game all together. I'm not sure how many lower division coaches had the kind of resume Rueck had coming into OSU. 2 sweet sixteens, 2 elite 8s and a national championship, along with a couple other 2nd round appearances is nothing to sneeze at even if it was at a lower division. "IF" OSU could identify a coach with that kind of resume, especially loaded at the most recent 6 years like Scott's was, it might be worth the risk, but my guess is those kind of coaches are few and far between. Men's and women's basketball are completely different animals. Might I add, since you harp on Tinkle's recruiting all of the time, Rueck has had fantastic results in recruiting the last 3 or 4 years, yet they finished 8th in the Pac-12. He's still a great coach, but things aren't always predictable. Lol... we're talking quality coaches. Quality coaches cannot recruit. SR again proves the point. A guy with zero D1 experience as a recruiter. Do you think D1 prospects give a lick about DIII accomplishments? SR, and many like him, have the chops to adapt and recruit... and coach/teach the game.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 14:16:56 GMT -8
17 year old boys and 17 year old girls are practically a different species when it comes to recruiting and what drives the kids. Women's basketball is an entirely different animal than men's basketball. The WNBA didn't even exist except on paper until 1997. Even now the WNBA league full season contracts are just reaching very low 6 figure minimums. It's a different recruiting game all together. I'm not sure how many lower division coaches had the kind of resume Rueck had coming into OSU. 2 sweet sixteens, 2 elite 8s and a national championship, along with a couple other 2nd round appearances is nothing to sneeze at even if it was at a lower division. "IF" OSU could identify a coach with that kind of resume, especially loaded at the most recent 6 years like Scott's was, it might be worth the risk, but my guess is those kind of coaches are few and far between. Men's and women's basketball are completely different animals. Might I add, since you harp on Tinkle's recruiting all of the time, Rueck has had fantastic results in recruiting the last 3 or 4 years, yet they finished 8th in the Pac-12. He's still a great coach, but things aren't always predictable. Lol... we're talking quality coaches. Quality coaches cannot recruit. SR again proves the point. A guy with zero D1 experience as a recruiter. Do you think D1 prospects give a lick about DIII accomplishments? SR, and many like him, have the chops to adapt and recruit... and coach/teach the game. Seems to me that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You started by saying we"er talking quality coaches. SR was a quality coach at the D111 level, yet you say quality coaches cannot recruit, and say SR had the chops to adapt and recruit. Confusing.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2022 14:28:39 GMT -8
Lol... we're talking quality coaches. Quality coaches cannot recruit. SR again proves the point. A guy with zero D1 experience as a recruiter. Do you think D1 prospects give a lick about DIII accomplishments? SR, and many like him, have the chops to adapt and recruit... and coach/teach the game. Seems to me that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You started by saying we"er talking quality coaches. SR was a quality coach at the D111 level, yet you say quality coaches cannot recruit, and say SR had the chops to adapt and recruit. Confusing. Auto correct... pretty sure you knew from my initial posts that it was "can". But, you do you. My points stand.
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Post by pabeaver on Mar 20, 2022 20:42:30 GMT -8
We got Scott Rueck because he bled Orange and Black. His love for OSU was so deep that he would make his George Fox team stay on the bus to listen to the end of an OSU game.
Do we ever get SR, at the time of the Lavonda dumpster fire, if his desire to be here wasn’t so great?
Is there someone like that out there for mens basketball? I don’t know, but the SR analogy seems like a stretch.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 20, 2022 20:58:09 GMT -8
We got Scott Rueck because he bled Orange and Black. His love for OSU was so deep that he would make his George Fox team stay on the bus to listen to the end of an OSU game. Do we ever get SR, at the time of the Lavonda dumpster fire, if his desire to be here wasn’t so great? Is there someone like that out there for mens basketball? I don’t know, but the SR analogy seems like a stretch. SR's "love" of OSU isn't what got him the job. He was ac talented, successful coach that happened to be at a small school. The analogy is that there are lots of talented coaches out there at all levels. They would not be high cost, and would "love" black and orange a great deal for the opportunity.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2022 9:18:43 GMT -8
The Fresno State coach at the time turning down the OSU position is what got SR the job. I think he was the second choice (no matter, he's done great and things worked out very well for us).
Expecting Oregon State to finish .500 or better in conference is commensurate with Crystal Palace fans expecting to finish top seven most years.
You mean Joey "Little Hitler" Barton wasn't a franchise-changing player? Neither Roy Hodgson, Alan Pardew nor Sam Allardyce were Fergie II? Great kits, though.
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