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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2022 19:59:43 GMT -8
So the team chemistry/offense is questionable but would not be improved by having a post who was shooting 65% when she went off to surgery as opposed to two posts who are averaging about 40%? "3 pointer happy"? They are tenth in the Pac-12 in attempts from the 3. How few do they need to make before you will be happy? And on TO's, they had 5? against Utah and were never really in the game. My hindsight says they would have been better off not switching to small ball. When they had three bigs playing (such as Brown, Corosdale, and Mack) they won the rebound battles and blocked a lot of shots. The only problem as I see it was the guards hadn't figured it out yet. Mack is scoring and so is AJ, give them a chance to support TVO so she can go off. Blah blah blah... as usual read/interpret in your "special" way. Ah, you mean reality vs the rgeorge way? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 25, 2022 20:41:01 GMT -8
Blah blah blah... as usual read/interpret in your "special" way. Ah, you mean reality vs the rgeorge way? Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 25, 2022 20:51:36 GMT -8
Ah, you mean reality vs the rgeorge way? Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? If you read his posts, he basically disputes most everything. Hence, the "again"... and again... and again! |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2022 21:36:18 GMT -8
Ah, you mean reality vs the rgeorge way? Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? Reality is that the Ducks lost three starters and they lost to UCDavis and got the starters back and beat UConn, reality is UofA lost Reese and they lost two games in a row, reality is UCLA lost three starters at the beginning of the season and were terrible and got two of they back and they are winning again, reality is WSU, Colorado, and Utah have had no injuries and have done much better than people expected against all of those injury plagued teams. Reality is that Jones being out to injury and Sasha transferring out has left the team without two starters. Reality is that this would leave every team in the country except Stanford struggling. So why should the Beav's be any different? And on the down hill slide. The team was doing great for years until halfway through the 19/20 season when the second starter went down with a season ending injury. Injuries to starters have kept the team from doing well ever since. But you, the ever faithful follower of the team, go on with your avid support of the team and your blind devotion to all things Beav! |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 25, 2022 21:41:42 GMT -8
Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? Reality is that the Ducks lost three starters and they lost to UCDavis and got the starters back and beat UConn, reality is UofA lost Reese and they lost two games in a row, reality is UCLA lost three starters at the beginning of the season and were terrible and got two of they back and they are winning again, reality is WSU, Colorado, and Utah have had no injuries and have done much better than people expected against all of those injury plagued teams. Reality is that Jones being out to injury and Sasha transferring out has left the team without two starters. Reality is that this would leave every team in the country except Stanford struggling. So why should the Beav's be any different? And on the down hill slide. The team was doing great for years until halfway through the 19/20 season when the second starter went down with a season ending injury. Injuries to starters have kept the team from doing well ever since. But you, the ever faithful follower of the team, go on with your avid support of the team and your blind devotion to all things Beav! You need to check actual topics and definitions. That long winded soliloquy of nothingness is all about other teams and their situation. I believe after all those wasted words... OSU is still in 8th place. Still has digressed since the F4 team (despite higher rated recruiting?). That was the post and query. So try again. Answer don't rationalize. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2022 21:58:20 GMT -8
Ah, you mean reality vs the rgeorge way? Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? The 2016 final four team finished ranked # 2 in the final coaches' poll. So anything afterward short of a #1 end of season result would be "downward". www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2016The subsequent end of season rankings for OSU WBB have been: 2017 9
2018 8
2019 10
2020 16
2021 RV/ 27
I suppose depending on how you look at it, you could see that as a "downward slide", especially if you don't take the Covid wildcard into account. But to me it looks like impressive consistency and I'm not at all surprised that we are subject to occasional down seasons. We'll see whether our unprecedented recent recruiting success pushes up back into the top 10 in the upcoming seasons. I, for one, am excited about the future. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2022 22:59:48 GMT -8
Reality is that the Ducks lost three starters and they lost to UCDavis and got the starters back and beat UConn, reality is UofA lost Reese and they lost two games in a row, reality is UCLA lost three starters at the beginning of the season and were terrible and got two of they back and they are winning again, reality is WSU, Colorado, and Utah have had no injuries and have done much better than people expected against all of those injury plagued teams. Reality is that Jones being out to injury and Sasha transferring out has left the team without two starters. Reality is that this would leave every team in the country except Stanford struggling. So why should the Beav's be any different? And on the down hill slide. The team was doing great for years until halfway through the 19/20 season when the second starter went down with a season ending injury. Injuries to starters have kept the team from doing well ever since. But you, the ever faithful follower of the team, go on with your avid support of the team and your blind devotion to all things Beav! You need to check actual topics and definitions. That long winded soliloquy of nothingness is all about other teams and their situation. I believe after all those wasted words... OSU is still in 8th place. Still has digressed since the F4 team (despite higher rated recruiting?). That was the post and query. So try again. Answer don't rationalize. My citing specific examples with specific teams is rationalizing? While your soliloquy of BEAV'S SUCK is an example of.....truth telling I'm sure. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 25, 2022 23:25:23 GMT -8
Reality is they’re an 8th place team this year in their conference and they’ve trended downward since a final four appearance 6 years ago. Are you disputing that? The 2016 final four team finished ranked # 2 in the final coaches' poll. So anything afterward short of a #1 end of season result would be "downward". www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2016The subsequent end of season rankings for OSU WBB have been: 2017 9
2018 8
2019 10
2020 16
2021 RV/ 27
I suppose depending on how you look at it, you could see that as a "downward slide", especially if you don't take the Covid wildcard into account. But to me it looks like impressive consistency and I'm not at all surprised that we are subject to occasional down seasons. We'll see whether our unprecedented recent recruiting success pushes up back into the top 10 in the upcoming seasons. I, for one, am excited about the future. So those would be coach's poll #s? Subjective? Based partly on reputation? But still downward path? If you go by other #s... losses, conference finish, tourney results. Prob still considered downward? Pretty sure most would agree there's been a downturn. And, surprisingly it doesn't mean they don't support the program or aren't positive about the future. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 25, 2022 23:28:22 GMT -8
You need to check actual topics and definitions. That long winded soliloquy of nothingness is all about other teams and their situation. I believe after all those wasted words... OSU is still in 8th place. Still has digressed since the F4 team (despite higher rated recruiting?). That was the post and query. So try again. Answer don't rationalize. My citing specific examples with specific teams is rationalizing? While your soliloquy of BEAV'S SUCK is an example of.....truth telling I'm sure. Thank you... perfect example of your posts. Complete fabrications based on... Come on tell us how I (or anyone here) stated "BEAV'S SUCK"? Better to be thought a fool than to keep posting and remove all doubt! Thank you! |
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Post by norm on Feb 26, 2022 4:48:49 GMT -8
The loss of Taylor this season is significant for sure, but combined with the loss of Sasha and Aleah will result in a pretty dramatic drop off. They represented the bulk off the offense, which has been a struggle this season. Taylor was the best inside presence. Sasha was the best slasher to the rim. Aleah was the best shooter OSU has ever had and the leader. Not to mention they all three made it so much easier for Talia to do her thing. Not to mention they were all pretty solid on defense (along with Taya.)
When you lose your top 3 players, it’s going to have an impact. Rueck tried to account for the Aleah and Sasha not returning, but Tea and Emily aren’t even close to the same level. He’s trying to account for Taylor by elevating Jelena, but she’s not at the same level either.
Next year will start the trend back in the right direction, but Taylor needs to be healthy and Taya needs to return. Assuming there are no other players planning to transfer out.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 26, 2022 6:26:05 GMT -8
The loss of Taylor this season is significant for sure, but combined with the loss of Sasha and Aleah will result in a pretty dramatic drop off. They represented the bulk off the offense, which has been a struggle this season. Taylor was the best inside presence. Sasha was the best slasher to the rim. Aleah was the best shooter OSU has ever had and the leader. Not to mention they all three made it so much easier for Talia to do her thing. Not to mention they were all pretty solid on defense (along with Taya.) When you lose your top 3 players, it’s going to have an impact. Rueck tried to account for the Aleah and Sasha not returning, but Tea and Emily aren’t even close to the same level. He’s trying to account for Taylor by elevating Jelena, but she’s not at the same level either. Next year will start the trend back in the right direction, but Taylor needs to be healthy and Taya needs to return. Assuming there are no other players planning to transfer out. , great observations! OSU lost 3 x impact players, not one impact player. There is always something positive to learn from a down season. TJ's presence is sorely missed, offense, defense, and rebounding. OSU needs more capable ball handlers. AJ's athleticism & fearlessness this season has shown through this season. KB is not an offensive threat in the paint. Jelena has much work to do herself, but has potential--she is only a freshman. Maybe we can have a NIT like AZ did and launch a great season next year. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 26, 2022 6:26:18 GMT -8
Speaking of Sasha, I checked her stats at Arkansas this season. She is 4th on the team in scoring at 11.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 1.4 apg, 26.1 3FG%, 44.4 FG% and 61.5 FT%. Arkansas is 16 - 12, 6 - 9 in the SEC. Solid, but I am a little surprised she is not putting up better numbers. She needs to improve her shooting to take her game to another level.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 26, 2022 6:30:25 GMT -8
For me, perhaps the most worrisome thing has been listening to Coach Rueck on various media interviews, post game press conferences, etc. go on and on about how much the team and the individual players have been improving this year.
Perhaps this is just coach speak for public consumption and he is really actually aware of how poorly (a) this team has played and (b) the state of the program is.
If so, I can accept that. However, my concern is that he actually believes the stuff he is saying and is not doing much (if anything to change it).
Anyway, an extremely disappointing season and much real concern about what lies ahead when you realize that teams like WSU, Utah, Colorado have
surpassed us in just a couple of seasons.
When a coach has a long term guaranteed contract, it can lead to greater effort, innovation, etc, etc,. Sadly in other instances it can lead to
complacency, mediocrity, and lack of effort.
The fact that the team played so very, very poorly against Utah with so much on the line, to me is a big, big warning sign of the bad state the program is in and how quickly the downward slide has occurred.
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Post by sparty on Feb 26, 2022 6:43:05 GMT -8
The loss of Taylor this season is significant for sure, but combined with the loss of Sasha and Aleah will result in a pretty dramatic drop off. They represented the bulk off the offense, which has been a struggle this season. Taylor was the best inside presence. Sasha was the best slasher to the rim. Aleah was the best shooter OSU has ever had and the leader. Not to mention they all three made it so much easier for Talia to do her thing. Not to mention they were all pretty solid on defense (along with Taya.) When you lose your top 3 players, it’s going to have an impact. Rueck tried to account for the Aleah and Sasha not returning, but Tea and Emily aren’t even close to the same level. He’s trying to account for Taylor by elevating Jelena, but she’s not at the same level either. Next year will start the trend back in the right direction, but Taylor needs to be healthy and Taya needs to return. Assuming there are no other players planning to transfer out. It is two to three years out to be in a good position of rebuilding. If the trend is from 8th or so to 5 in the pac-12 then you are correct. But if portalitis sets in it will be pushed out farther. |
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Post by norm on Feb 26, 2022 8:01:39 GMT -8
The loss of Taylor this season is significant for sure, but combined with the loss of Sasha and Aleah will result in a pretty dramatic drop off. They represented the bulk off the offense, which has been a struggle this season. Taylor was the best inside presence. Sasha was the best slasher to the rim. Aleah was the best shooter OSU has ever had and the leader. Not to mention they all three made it so much easier for Talia to do her thing. Not to mention they were all pretty solid on defense (along with Taya.) When you lose your top 3 players, it’s going to have an impact. Rueck tried to account for the Aleah and Sasha not returning, but Tea and Emily aren’t even close to the same level. He’s trying to account for Taylor by elevating Jelena, but she’s not at the same level either. Next year will start the trend back in the right direction, but Taylor needs to be healthy and Taya needs to return. Assuming there are no other players planning to transfer out. It is two to three years out to be in a good position of rebuilding. If the trend is from 8th or so to 5 in the pac-12 then you are correct. But if portalitis sets in it will be pushed out farther. Completely agree. The portal has changed the game considerably, especially when you consider players no longer are required to sit out a season. Heck, there was a player this year that played in games on 2 different teams in the same season. It definitely makes it much more difficult to project one year from the next. We have to put a disclaimer on any sort of prediction. Assuming the players we have stay and the players that have committed show up, then the trend should be upward next season and further up the season after that. I don't think it's a stretch to be back in top 3 very soon. |
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