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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 22, 2022 21:53:44 GMT -8
It's not absurd. I didnt predict this team will be better offensively than '18. I said they have the potential to be. I understand that it's only one weekend. I understand the pitching gets better in conference. I actually know a bit about baseball. Calm down there, cowboy. No one said absurd. Take a deep breath. There are basically two kinds of fans here: those who see the potential in this team and see greatness may lie around the corner, and those who know that there’s a lot of baseball left. Neither of these views is wrong. We’ve had a dynamic start to the year and we’ve shown great improvement in what we thought were the weaknesses of a good 2021 team. There is good cause to be excited. Smails and Co. are not wrong that there will be tests ahead. But they most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement. Why rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later? I have a neighbor like that. Predicts the worst about the Seahawks. Still can’t figure out why I don’t want to watch the games with him. Can’t read the air, as they say in Japanese. KY. You literally said it was an absurd comparison.....not that I actually compared this team to '18......I simply made a statement of the potential of this team, and proceeded to basically be called an idiot. I'm a bit of a hot head....i admit that......I am not a "told you so" kinda guy though. I have no interest in s%#t like that. |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 22, 2022 22:10:33 GMT -8
Wow, so who are the 5 position players that will be drafted in the first 10 rounds of the draft like from the 2018 team? They look good so far, but not at that level. If I recall correctly, those players benefited from having a wildly successful 2017 season, too. I know that you know that sort of comparison is absurd…which is probably your point. I agree with it, too. The 2018 year isn’t some magic formula for teams to be compared to. 2017 and 2018 were both magical years. And the team came together in a very special way. You can look at all the stats on the page and never really pinpoint what made that team special.This year’s team looks good…very good. And it has a lot of potential. I want to see how it reacts to adversity because that’s the true test. 2017 and 2018 fought until the last out was made. They got hits with 2 strikes against them. Scored with 2 outs against them. Won games late in the 9th. If the 2022 Beavers show me that, then we’re talking a great team. I think I can pinpoint it. Rutschman, Madrigal, Larnach, Heimlich, Grenier, Kwan, a little Fehmel, a little Gretler, a little Abel, a dash of Eisert, . . . . |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 22, 2022 23:29:22 GMT -8
Just so we're all clear. There are only two kinds of fans on the baseball board.
Neither are wrong. But, if you don't post exactly right... only positives and maybe what could be you are "most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement." And, to top off trying to ruin the excitement of other, your intent is to "rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later?"
So you're right, but automatically have a negative intent? Cuz that's the only interpretation possible.
Hmmmm... so seeing potential and excitement is mutually exclusive to being realistic and using basic critical thinking skills?
Weird. Sounds similar to thinking/posting like me/us and you're more correct.
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Post by irimi on Feb 23, 2022 6:50:56 GMT -8
Just so we're all clear. There are only two kinds of fans on the baseball board. Neither are wrong. But, if you don't post exactly right... only positives and maybe what could be you are "most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement." And, to top off trying to ruin the excitement of other, your intent is to "rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later?" So you're right, but automatically have a negative intent? Cuz that's the only interpretation possible. Hmmmm... so seeing potential and excitement is mutually exclusive to being realistic and using basic critical thinking skills? Weird. Sounds similar to thinking/posting like me/us and you're more correct. One side has tried to bring numbers/data/examples to support their claims. The other has merely said got to wait and see. So don’t pat yourself on the back with your “critical thinking skills” claim. There is no thought required behind a ‘wait and see’ statement. Besides, Smails’ challenge to point to the 5 position players who will be drafted is stupid. Who would have expected Kwan and others to go so highly before the 2018 season? At the start of the season, we knew they were special. That’s all. So explain the purpose of a demand like that, if it isn’t motivated by a negative intent. |
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Post by irimi on Feb 23, 2022 6:54:27 GMT -8
Calm down there, cowboy. No one said absurd. Take a deep breath. There are basically two kinds of fans here: those who see the potential in this team and see greatness may lie around the corner, and those who know that there’s a lot of baseball left. Neither of these views is wrong. We’ve had a dynamic start to the year and we’ve shown great improvement in what we thought were the weaknesses of a good 2021 team. There is good cause to be excited. Smails and Co. are not wrong that there will be tests ahead. But they most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement. Why rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later? I have a neighbor like that. Predicts the worst about the Seahawks. Still can’t figure out why I don’t want to watch the games with him. Can’t read the air, as they say in Japanese. KY. You literally said it was an absurd comparison.....not that I actually compared this team to '18......I simply made a statement of the potential of this team, and proceeded to basically be called an idiot. I'm a bit of a hot head....i admit that......I am not a "told you so" kinda guy though. I have no interest in s%#t like that. You’re right. I did. It was late last night when I posted. But you’re misunderstanding my posts. |
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Post by irimi on Feb 23, 2022 7:00:27 GMT -8
If I recall correctly, those players benefited from having a wildly successful 2017 season, too. I know that you know that sort of comparison is absurd…which is probably your point. I agree with it, too. The 2018 year isn’t some magic formula for teams to be compared to. 2017 and 2018 were both magical years. And the team came together in a very special way. You can look at all the stats on the page and never really pinpoint what made that team special.This year’s team looks good…very good. And it has a lot of potential. I want to see how it reacts to adversity because that’s the true test. 2017 and 2018 fought until the last out was made. They got hits with 2 strikes against them. Scored with 2 outs against them. Won games late in the 9th. If the 2022 Beavers show me that, then we’re talking a great team. I think I can pinpoint it. Rutschman, Madrigal, Larnach, Heimlich, Grenier, Kwan, a little Fehmel, a little Gretler, a little Abel, a dash of Eisert, . . . . Think so? I wonder if Pat Casey would say the same…. What was it about Rutschman that made him so special? His BA? His fielding percentage? His HRs? His OPS? I think it was clearest with Rutschman, Madrigal and Kwan that it was the intangibles that made them great. Everything that can’t be counted and put on paper. It simply was a joy to watch those guys play. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 23, 2022 7:46:18 GMT -8
Just so we're all clear. There are only two kinds of fans on the baseball board. Neither are wrong. But, if you don't post exactly right... only positives and maybe what could be you are "most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement." And, to top off trying to ruin the excitement of other, your intent is to "rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later?" So you're right, but automatically have a negative intent? Cuz that's the only interpretation possible. Hmmmm... so seeing potential and excitement is mutually exclusive to being realistic and using basic critical thinking skills? Weird. Sounds similar to thinking/posting like me/us and you're more correct. This is simple. I made a comment about the potential of this offense that some think is premature. Ok, fine, but dont insult my intelligence. Fwiw, I was basing the potential of this lineup from more than just a weekend in surprise. We saw Meckler come alive last season out of nowhere. He might be our best contact hitter. Bazzana is a dude. That is obvious. Melton is a dude, and picked up right where he left off when he went out with injury. Forrester for a period of time was our best hitter last season. Love his approach at the plate. Boyd showed flashes last season, now he's batting 3rd, and is a terror on the base paths. Wheeler came in with hype and is living up to it early on. Gretler the younger is sposed to be a better hitter than his brother. He showed flashes last season. Logan was solid at the plate in Surprise......overall, team speed is outstanding. What were we 9 for 9 on SB's in Surprise......and I get that we will face better batteries who will hold us on better. Regardless, the speed is impressive. I realize this team likely won't out hit '18, but the potential is there. Larnach wasn't Larnach until he was. He was a project. Rutschman tweeked his mechanics and came alive at the plate.......My point is the blueprint is there for this group to be really special. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 23, 2022 9:07:27 GMT -8
You literally said it was an absurd comparison.....not that I actually compared this team to '18......I simply made a statement of the potential of this team, and proceeded to basically be called an idiot. I'm a bit of a hot head....i admit that......I am not a "told you so" kinda guy though. I have no interest in s%#t like that. You’re right. I did. It was late last night when I posted. But you’re misunderstanding my posts. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread. I feel Smails made this about the high draft picks from the last WS run. I was looking at lineups top to bottom. So that would include guys like Jack Anderson and Zak Taylor. And I understand I'm gonna get some "jumping the gun" comments. It's the delivery that rubs me wrong. Beaveraristotle pointed it out in another thread.....much of the time responses seem to be aimed to make someone feel as though they are stupid, or know s%#t about Beaver baseball. |
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Post by PhenomenalRob on Feb 23, 2022 9:43:54 GMT -8
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread. I feel Smails made this about the high draft picks from the last WS run. I was looking at lineups top to bottom. So that would include guys like Jack Anderson and Zak Taylor. And I understand I'm gonna get some "jumping the gun" comments. It's the delivery that rubs me wrong. Beaveraristotle pointed it out in another thread.....much of the time responses seem to be aimed to make someone feel as though they are stupid, or know s%#t about Beaver baseball. A good response to trolling is no response. I enjoy reading the viewpoints on this board - even exuberant ones - but the pissy back-and-forth gets old really fast. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 23, 2022 10:25:35 GMT -8
Just so we're all clear. There are only two kinds of fans on the baseball board. Neither are wrong. But, if you don't post exactly right... only positives and maybe what could be you are "most certainly are party poopers for trying to subdue the excitement." And, to top off trying to ruin the excitement of other, your intent is to "rain on the parade, if not to smugly say “I told you so” later?" So you're right, but automatically have a negative intent? Cuz that's the only interpretation possible. Hmmmm... so seeing potential and excitement is mutually exclusive to being realistic and using basic critical thinking skills? Weird. Sounds similar to thinking/posting like me/us and you're more correct. One side has tried to bring numbers/data/examples to support their claims. The other has merely said got to wait and see. So don’t pat yourself on the back with your “critical thinking skills” claim. There is no thought required behind a ‘wait and see’ statement. Besides, Smails’ challenge to point to the 5 position players who will be drafted is stupid. Who would have expected Kwan and others to go so highly before the 2018 season? At the start of the season, we knew they were special. That’s all. So explain the purpose of a demand like that, if it isn’t motivated by a negative intent. Wow... so waiting and seeing doesn't require thought, but jumping on bandwagon #s from a extremely limited data set does? My impression is that most posters here do a lot of thinking. Ok, some in seemingly drunken stupors my not!? So, you first state both views points are correct, then admonish that the "other" is negatively affecting the excitement and is only posted to be a "I told you so" person, then some "demand"(?) had negative intent. Never saw a demand, and not my post so not touching that nor the mind reading that goes into determining intent! You then go even further and state critical thinking/waiting and seeing doesn't require thought?? Curious, do you consider yourself judgemental? Stereotypical type? Are you ethnocentric when travelling abroad? Let us "think" on just a few items... *4 games vs inferior opponents (yep Zags may win the WCC, which I believe is typically the 7th or 8th best D1 baseball conference) but knowing the there is a long season ahead vs at least 30+ more difficult games/talent; *realize that injuries/or lack thereof play a huge part of any season; *Looking at past results and performances to try to see where/how these players may (or may not) improve. For instance the key performers of this team are part of a OSU record... the most K's in a season (512 vs only 282 bb, 1.82 k/bb) vs the 25 ks/30bb and 0.83 k/bb. How will these particular #s will change is just one example of taking a waiting and see posture. *other key #s certainly will effect the offensive output... BA, OBA, etc... and most certainly will be no where near what they are now. Of course that depends on your excited definition of "no where near". But, all that "thinking" isn't the point. Your consistent insistence that you know the intent of posters that do not share your view point or zeal is. Post your ideas and rationale, but stop trying to create a divisive atmosphere by claiming posts are trying to rain on your/others' parade. Other posters have thoughts too, and some are incredible balanced and well thought out. And, for the most part the posts are generic. If you see them as some sort of attack on your emotional wellbeing concerning OSU baseball, that's a you problem. If you like to view a better example of trying to rain on a parade, one that comes on a thread meant to be informative, but mostly fun, check out your initial post about DVD and his wife. But, I see later on after numerous positive posts you try to change your tune a bit. His/their happiness is not so disgusting now? I appreciate your ideas on this board until they cross into judging others, their intent of posting, and not so subtlety assume they do not "think" when posing their ideas. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 23, 2022 11:17:12 GMT -8
Welp, back to lurking, and just enjoying Beavs baseball. If they make it to Omaha, maybe I'll see some of you out there. Gonna try to make it to Surprise next year too......peace out!
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 23, 2022 11:42:13 GMT -8
A note on Gonzaga. Gonzaga had exactly one outdoor practice before arriving in Surprise last Thursday evening. They have actually had a winter. It showed, I think, in some of their reactions in the field.
Another of my opinions: the Surprise field was not quite in the MLB baseball shape that we usually see. Very nice, but not immaculate. Hard and fast. There were actually some true, bad hops.
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Post by cake on Feb 23, 2022 12:02:49 GMT -8
"There are basically two kinds of fans here: those who see the potential in this team and see greatness may lie around the corner, and those who know that there’s a lot of baseball left."
I guess I'm both kinds of fan then. This team could be great and there's plenty of baseball left to find out whether greatness happens or not.
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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 23, 2022 13:08:57 GMT -8
Well if that's the 4-0 internet argument I'm certainly glad we're not 2-2 right now.  |
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Post by irimi on Feb 23, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -8
One side has tried to bring numbers/data/examples to support their claims. The other has merely said got to wait and see. So don’t pat yourself on the back with your “critical thinking skills” claim. There is no thought required behind a ‘wait and see’ statement. Besides, Smails’ challenge to point to the 5 position players who will be drafted is stupid. Who would have expected Kwan and others to go so highly before the 2018 season? At the start of the season, we knew they were special. That’s all. So explain the purpose of a demand like that, if it isn’t motivated by a negative intent. Wow... so waiting and seeing doesn't require thought, but jumping on bandwagon #s from a extremely limited data set does? My impression is that most posters here do a lot of thinking. Ok, some in seemingly drunken stupors my not!? So, you first state both views points are correct, then admonish that the "other" is negatively affecting the excitement and is only posted to be a "I told you so" person, then some "demand"(?) had negative intent. Never saw a demand, and not my post so not touching that nor the mind reading that goes into determining intent! You then go even further and state critical thinking/waiting and seeing doesn't require thought?? Curious, do you consider yourself judgemental? Stereotypical type? Are you ethnocentric when travelling abroad? Let us "think" on just a few items... *4 games vs inferior opponents (yep Zags may win the WCC, which I believe is typically the 7th or 8th best D1 baseball conference) but knowing the there is a long season ahead vs at least 30+ more difficult games/talent; *realize that injuries/or lack thereof play a huge part of any season; *Looking at past results and performances to try to see where/how these players may (or may not) improve. For instance the key performers of this team are part of a OSU record... the most K's in a season (512 vs only 282 bb, 1.82 k/bb) vs the 25 ks/30bb and 0.83 k/bb. How will these particular #s will change is just one example of taking a waiting and see posture. *other key #s certainly will effect the offensive output... BA, OBA, etc... and most certainly will be no where near what they are now. Of course that depends on your excited definition of "no where near". But, all that "thinking" isn't the point. Your consistent insistence that you know the intent of posters that do not share your view point or zeal is. Post your ideas and rationale, but stop trying to create a divisive atmosphere by claiming posts are trying to rain on your/others' parade. Other posters have thoughts too, and some are incredible balanced and well thought out. And, for the most part the posts are generic. If you see them as some sort of attack on your emotional wellbeing concerning OSU baseball, that's a you problem. If you like to view a better example of trying to rain on a parade, one that comes on a thread meant to be informative, but mostly fun, check out your initial post about DVD and his wife. But, I see later on after numerous positive posts you try to change your tune a bit. His/their happiness is not so disgusting now? I appreciate your ideas on this board until they cross into judging others, their intent of posting, and not so subtlety assume they do not "think" when posing their ideas. LOL. Hilarious post, man. We sure missed you around here after you got banned.
First, does it really take much of brain to figure out that the entire season matters? Really? I assumed everybody knows that so it doesn't even bear mentioning. Are you new to the sport perhaps?
Several posters have already given ample evidence as why shouldn't consider Gonzaga a weak opponent, but you don't listen.
As for injuries, I have written a number of times that we have to avoid the injury bug. Period. Another no-brainer for anyone who has followed a sport for maybe a year or two. Not the damning piece of evidence you hold it up to be.
So simply the course of time suggests that batting averages and such fall. So nothing new here either.
What you have failed to address is that the team is improved over last year in the weaker areas that we saw all season long. We had long discussions about leaving men on base, about not being patient at the plate, about strikeouts. Fielding and base running appear to be back up on par with some of the good Beaver teams.
Yes, there may be injuries. Yes, the season is long. But if you wanted the Beaver team to show progress, we have already seen proof.
As for DVD, I rained on no one's parade. Celebrate him. Enjoy him. No problem. If my attempt to put the age gap in some sort of perspective that most people here can understand bothered you, well, then maybe you have issues it. I don't.
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